This is for Mike and everyone else in here:Mike, I just got in and saw  the following statement from you to Keith…Quote That's just a sneak preview Keith.  I've been waiting for a trinity debate that someone doesn't run away from for a long time on HN.  I've got ammo to spare.    But you'll have to wait for a response from Fran…[Read more]

Hello Ed J…Quote Do you now understand my explanation how: what someone says can be 'a lie', but they themselves are NOT 'a liar'?A classic example is: those who spread 'the rapture' doctrine, which is 'a lie'; but those who spread this lie are not LIARS!; but merely mistaken in believing 'a lie'.I can see and appreciate what you are trying to…[Read more]

Quote Don't play pretty little words games with me, Francis.  I have neither the time nor the patience for it.  And besides, I could do it right back to you.  You say I called you “dishonest”?  Show me where.  Show me where I CLEARLY said you were being dishonest.  I said “honestly AND directly”.  Maybe I was implying that you were still debati…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2011,14:51)Quote Hi Mike,Francis uses the English language different than most,as he has admitted to me that he uses it differently than I.<!–QuoteBegin–Francis+Jan. 18 2011,05:45–>Quote (Francis@ Jan. 18 2011,05:45)we are not using the English language in the same way.Let me site some examples for all the readers here…[Read more]

Hello Mike…btw… I have a brother named Mike.      But he is not as smart as you are.Quote You are getting very good at avoiding points and twisting things around. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I have to disagree.  I've learned that it is very easy to lose focus and get sidetracked and confused during a long drawn out protracted deb…[Read more]

Hello Mike…We were originally talking about Micah 5:4.  I didn't bring that verse up.  You did.  You brought up that verse because you felt that this scripture clearly lists Jesus as someone other than and lessor to his God.After showing that you were reading your bias about Jesus INTO Micah… we finally agreed that the Prima Facie question we…[Read more]

Hello Mike… you are at times very confusing and hard to follow.  For example:1)… you keep saying that “elohim” MEANS “judge/leader/ruler”, but that it sometimes REFERS to God and Jesus and others. But in the thread: Forum » BELIEVERS PLACE » Member Profiles » Mikeboll64 vs francis, on Page 62, in a post to Dennison, you wrote the fol…[Read more]

Ed J…Quote You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God.I'm not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.  Look what you wrote above.  This is NOT what I have said anywhere.    So what you wrote only proves what I've been saying.  Our discussion is useless because you can't even understand what I've been…[Read more]

Ed J… I already gave you my answer previously.The fact is, I'm not interested in doing this anymore.   I know that you mean well, but I'm having a very difficult time in understanding you, and so I don't wish to continue this disucssion any longer.Even you, on more than one occassion, have agreed that we are not using the English language in…[Read more]

Hello Mike…It is clear to me that a real communication problem exists surrounding the word “elohim” and what that means and how it should be used, etc.  The problem is not only evident in here, but also in the other thread as well.In response to what you last wrote to me, I had origially written a long post asking for clarification about what…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Just so that I understand… let me run by you what I think is your argument.  And please correct me if I am wrong.It appears that you are willing to admit that elohim (and theos I imagine) can mean God Almighty and/or simply “leader”, etc.  I gather this from the following statement of yours:Quote So it seems that you and I a…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote Therefore, CAN it refer to God Almighty?  Of course.  CAN it also refer to those who AREN'T God Almighty?  Of course.  So does the word itself MEAN “God Almighty”?  Not a chance.Well Mike, I was being prepared for bombs, and all I got were marshmellows being thrown at me.Anyway… not once have you given me your translation for…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote Francis had made the claim that Jesus must be “God” because “elohim” was applied to him in Hebrews 1:8.  And we all now know that having the word “elohim” applied to you does NOT make you God.  End of story and end of one of your most famous Jesus is God “proofs”.peace and love to you all………I will now address Francis a…[Read more]

Mike…Quote Patience, my good man.Who is good but God?———————–Quote 1.  Do you agree with the FACTS that the word “elohim” simply meant “judge” or “ruler”; and that the word itself in no way even implied “supernatural being”?It doesn't matter what I think because it is your translation that you are defending… not mine.  I want t…[Read more]

Huh????You're NOT going to defend your translation of Hebrews 1:8 through context and your “irrefutable logic” at this time?Mike… this is not a game.  We are supposed to be having a constructive discussion that will help us to see what Hebrews 1:8 is really saying.This is your chance to show me that your translation is correct.  Forget about m…[Read more]

Ed J…Quote I called your words 'a lie', I did not call you 'a liar'; I take offense in 'your' accusation!I apologized twice so far, for being mistaken about your words being 'a lie'. Hopefully you to will reciprocate, as I did NOT call you 'a liar'!C'mon Ed J… do you really and honestly believe that if you call a person's words they have…[Read more]

Hello Marty…Quote If God confirms what you are teaching with miracles and signs and wonders following as he did in the ministry of our Lord and the Apostles, then it is “Orthodox Christianity” otherwise it is not the church that the Lord established.Not sure why you wrote this.  I will say this though, in my debate with Mike, it appeared he had…[Read more]

Hello Ed J…Quote Franciswhat does “agreeing to disagree” mean to you? Ed J     It means to agree to 'a lie'!Therein lies the problem between you and I.  You ARE using the English language differently than I am. Here is how Wikipedia defines the phrase “agreeing to disagree”:Agree to disagree or “agreeing to disagree” is a phrase in English re…[Read more]

Mike…Quote I appreciate the fact that you stand and defend your beliefs and so I finally might get a chance to discuss some things that most of the trinitarians want to avoid.I don't see any of the trinitarians on the other thread avoiding you or any issue you've brought up.  So I'm not sure why you feel that you are finally getting a chance to…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote Nah, on second thought, the logic I will be presenting is irrefutable anyway – no matter how much time you have to “prep” for it.I assure you that i'm not over here spending hours burning the midnight oil sweating bullets as I frantically “prep” for a response to you. Nothing could be further from the truth.  Indeed, you did…[Read more]