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I have found it is to my benefit to type out an answer, let it set to gel awhile and then go back and read it again before I post it. It is rather like counting to ten. Mama used to tell me, “Put your brain in gear before putting your mouth in motion”.:p

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I'm not Jeff or TK but I would think they mean this scripture. If not, it is still a great scripture to hang your hat on.

2 Peter 1:3-4 (King James Version)

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

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Gene……..I sure wish we had a place to put our chuch denomanation of the side so people could more clearly understand where you are coming from. I do tend to agree with a lot of what you have to say but I disagree about spirits not being able to enter in to a person or leave a person for that matter.

Mark 5:13

And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea

There were always jumpijng in and out of  people and pigs too for that matter, in my bible. I don't know where you get they are not real. I have a freind who thinks that Satan is not real or evil spirits but just the sin within us and other people. Explain please, where you get this.  

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Sorry, I though the other thread was for Praise and worship songs.

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For those who have had just about enough rain…..real or otherwise. This is for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Hn7z9HiaY

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~ Trinity Analysis ~

I have a few thoughts or questions on this false doctrine of ‘trinity’. If you are one who is deceived into believing this false teaching, I hope you will sincerely take stock of these questions, and seek for the answers.

First, consider this. This doctrine says that there are three distinct persons in one Godhead. The first thing you should do is to make a search of Scripture and see if this is actually stated anywhere in Scripture. Then the teaching says that The Father is the first person in this Godhead. So then show me where the Word of God says this.

Then it says that God the Son, meaning Jesus, is the second person in this Godhead. First, that term, God the Son, is never found in Scripture. This eliminates that as truth. But where does the Word state that Jesus is the second person in this Godhead? For that matter, where does the Word even mention ‘persons’ in the Godhead?

Now take close thought to this next one. This is what God impressed on me today to show you. They say the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead. So, first, where does the Word even indicate that the Holy Ghost is a ‘person’? The idea of God being three men is nowhere supported in Scripture. It could not possibly fit any Scripture about God.

For one proof of this, see that Jesus stated in John 17, that His Father was in him, and he was in his Father. So if they are two different MEN, there is no way the Father, a man, could be inside Jesus, another man. Then of course there is the dilemma of Jesus being in the Father, as the Father is in him. Can you get any understanding on how this could be, considering them both to be distinct men? I say there is no way.

But now back to the idea that the Holy Ghost is also another different man. How in this world can any person who has ever read any Scripture possibly think the Holy Ghost is a man? If so, then how is it that the Holy Ghost, being a man, is inside so many different people?

But the real question is this: they say the Holy Ghost is the third person in this Godhead. So I ask you, if the Holy Ghost existed before Jesus, then how could he be counted as the third? After all, it does say that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary and caused the conception of Jesus. So then, this proves that the Holy Ghost existed before Jesus. So then why would not the Holy Ghost be second to the Father, instead of Jesus? See, it is not sensible. If the Holy Ghost brought about the conception of Jesus, then how could Jesus be counted before the Holy Ghost?

What tells anyone that the Holy Ghost is third? I want someone to show me that in Scripture. And if you cannot find it anywhere in Scripture, perhaps you should consider that this truly is A DOCTRINE OF SATAN. There is no Scripture basis for any of the words used to describe or teach the trinity. No Apostle or writer of Scripture said any of the words used to teach this false doctrine. This doctrine says God was incarnate into Jesus. I ask you, where does the word ever say this? It does not. So it is lies of man.

If this teaching is correct, I ask you, why did not one Apostle ever utter the words which men use to prove their lie?

Now another thing you should consider is this: If you think a member of the Godhead, a God, existed first in Heaven, then left Heaven, descended to earth, and got into Mary’s womb, to become a human being, Please explain, with Scripture, to me, how did this occur? Which ‘god’ left heaven and got inside Mary’s womb? How did that take place? How did the Holy Ghost carry this other ‘member’ of the Godhead, down and put him into Mary’s womb? After all, it says that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, causing her to conceive this ‘second person’ of the Godhead in her womb? Does the Word actually tell us that this happened? If so, please give me the place it is mentioned. I truly wish to read that. (Now if you believe this trinity doctrine, you must see that there has to be answers to these questions, for something had to happened to bring that ‘second person’ of God down and place him into Mary’s womb, as a tiny cell.)

Many people claim that Jehovah was the one who left Heaven and got inside Mary, to become a man. If this is true, please show me that. If that is true, then are you saying that Jehovah was no longer in existence as God? Was there another man still in Heaven, called the Father? So then you are saying that Jehovah was not the Father? So what is the Father’s name? How did this great Jehovah descend into Mary and become a helpless baby? When did Jehovah become in existence again? Or did he?

If Jehovah is the person or man, who got into Mary’s womb, why did not the angel tell them to name him Jehovah? Did Jehovah cease to be? If Jehovah were a man in heaven, how did this man become another man inside Mary? How did he leave his greatness and become a tiny cell in Mary? Does the Word of God teach any such stuff? If so, please show it to me in plain words. It must be recorded at least twice in Scripture to be established as truth. So if you believe and teach this false stuff, please show me a verse which says any of this.

Surely you know that God did not leave it up to man to teach his own thoughts about what God is, who he is, and how Jesus came to be. Did God die on the cross? If so, then he was mortal and not immortal. This also means he could not have been eternal. The very fact that Jesus died, proves he was not eternal. Eternal beings had no beginning and no ending. Jesus ended as he lay in the grave. So was God DEAD? If Jesus were God, then God was dead. At least on ‘part?’ of God was dead. Was it the second or third part of God which died?

See, if this trinity doctrine is true, all of these answers must be clearly taught in plain Scripture. The Apostles had to have taught it.

1Cor 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

See this tells us not to think of men above that which is WRITTEN. So if Jesus were a man, then we are not to think a thing about him which is not written. You know, that is my message, “If it is not written, it is lies.”

History tells us that the man who worked to formulate this trinity doctrine, became so confused, that he confessed that he could no longer think of it rationally. This is the very reason why. The truth is not in confusion, as this and the Jesus-only doctrine are. Neither doctrine fits any Scripture. It is all lies of carnal-minded men, who changed the Word of God, and made up lies. What are you believing? Upon what do you trust your eternal life, or soul? Think seriously about this.

By: Jo Smith…. 10/15, 2006

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Shema Yisrael (or Sh'ma Yisroel or just Shema) (Hebrew: שמע ישראל‎; “Hear, [O] Israel”) are the first two words of a section of the Torah (Hebrew Bible) that is a centerpiece of the morning and evening Jewish prayer services. The first verse encapsulates the monotheistic essence of Judaism: “Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One”, found in Deuteronomy 6:4.

Observant Jews consider the Shema to be the most important prayer in Judaism, and its twice-daily recitation as a mitzvah (religious commandment). It is traditional for Jews to say the Shema as their last words.

The only view they ever had was God is one.

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Not much to speculate about. It says pretty clearly…..

In 1 John 2:22–23, we read, “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

THIS IS THE ANTICHRIST, HE WHO DENIES THE FATHER AND THE SON. TWO. Not Jesus the Father, or God the Son or any nonsense like that. HE WHO DENIES THE FATHER AND THE SON. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. God is the heavenly Father. They are as one but they are not the same. If you deny that Jesus was a man who came in the flesh to die for our sins, you are antichrist. It was not God who died for our sins, it was Jesus the man, conceived by the Holy Spirit but a man just like us. Not God in the flesh. He represented God, just as a salesman represents the boss of his company. He spoke for him, he obeyed him, he was the face of the company to whoever he spoke to, but he was not the Boss. He was a representative of the Boss.

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1 Timothy 5.21

I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

If there were a Trinity composed of three co-equal, co-eternal “persons,” why would Paul charge Timothy by the “elect angels” and leave the “Holy Spirit” out of the picture?

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Luke : 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?”

They thought Jesus was a stranger. They did not reconize him. They didn't know who he was until the broke bread and handed it to them later. So, he could not have been in the likeness of the body they knew. Unless he had closed their eyes so they wouln't reconize him. I think that may be why they didn' know him.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,11:33)

Hi Eve, Jesus is a man. Raised in his perishable old body he appeared to the disciples having new abilities now.{? like to Philip being transported} God does not have a human body

Oh Nick. I know God is not a man. I know that Jesus was a man. You missed my point. Jesus appeared three times to the apostles. They did not recognize him walking along the road and they did not recognize him on the shore until they heard his voice. So he must have looked different than he did in his old body when he appeared unto Thomas. All I am saying is, God manifested himself in some way to Moses so that he saw something. Jesus must have manifested himself in more than one form for the apostles not to recognize him, the first two times.
If my Mama manifested unto me in her body, I would sure know her. But they didn't know him right away.
It's not important,,,,just a thought.. thanks for responding.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,10:50)

Hi Eve, God allows manifestations of Himself to be seen but no man has seen God.[said by Jesus] God is Spirit

John 21:11

Jesus came and *took the bread and *gave it to them, and the fish likewise.

14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead.

So, Nick, you mean God manifested himself in the same way Jesus manifested himself to his apostles. It does seem he appeared in more than one body, otherwise the apostles wold have known him right away. Of course when he showed himself to Thomas he was in his own body.

So, you think it was not really God or Jesus but just their hologram? I do realize that God is spirit but I think he can take on a physical form that can be seen and in fact did.

Now you can't see his spirit, since to our thinking, spirit is invisible, but he can manifest a physical form if he needs too. Perhaps that is what Moses saw. Moses did see something. The scripture says he did.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,06:41)

Hi Eve, God manifests in many ways even in His puny earthly creation. But none have seen Him as He IS invisible spirit.

I have no idea what you just said but I know what that scripture says. Moses did not see God's face but he saw God's back or backside. Either that, or the scripture I posted should be thrown out.

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Exodus 33: 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

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Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,03:01)

Nick……….Why do you keep thinking Judgment is some kind of death sentence it is (NOT). Judgment begins with the house of GOD , it is needful we are all judged, that does not equal condemnation to some literial Fire some where. Judgment is the greatest thing that can happen to anyone it corrects our thinking. Its a means of correction we all need. The only thing put to death in Judgment is the wrong in a person, judgement should not be looked at as an eternal death sentence of the person himself. IMO peace and love…………………..gene

Do we have the same bible? I fail to see where you get this. The bible clearly tells you some are going to end up in the fire.

Rev 20:15

15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Looks like some are going to join these:

Rev 20:10

10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,18:37)

Hi Eve, The Spirit must be given dominion within us and renew our minds according to scripture and let our mouths express the sacrifice of praise.

“I Love the LORD, because he hath heard my voice and my supplications. Because he hath inclined his ear unto me, therefore will I call upon him as long as I live. The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul. Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful. The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me. Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee. For thou has delivered my soul from Death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling. I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living. I believed, therefore I have spoken: I was greatly afflicted. I said in my haste, All men are liars. What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits towards me? I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people. Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints. O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds. I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving , and will call upon the name of the LORD. I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people, In the courts of the LORD’S house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.” (Psalms 116)

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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 08 2009,01:03)

I would like to do that.  It is not me preaching from a book that condemns non-believers to death.  I do not tell the rest of the world that there is something wrong with them that only my brand of magic can cure. Perhaps if christians gave up some of their wrong nonsense, there could be even more harmony than there already is. Stuart

Stu, no one condemns non believers to death. The non believer does that to himself. God gave you a way out, if you will accept it. If someone ends up in Hell, it is because they cannot admit they are a sinner and need a Savior. But we all have sinned. It took me so long to see that. I was 38 when I turned from being an atheist and actually set down and read the Bible.

The thing about the Bible is, it is a living book. It comes alive in your hands as you read it if you are really seeking truth and not just going through the motions. Most atheists are not seeking the truth. Seek and you shall find is a promise from God.

Now why would they spend so much of their time trying to convince others there is no God if somewhere down deep inside, they did not have doubts? God says everyone has all they need to believe that he exists. That only a fool would say there is no God. My Mama didn't raise any fools.. How about yours?

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Normally I stick with the KJV for most of my study. But this group of scriptures is just so wonderful in the Amplified Bible. I think it says it so that you clearly understand what is required to be a believer. Adhere to, trust in, rely on……if you do this you will repent, be baptised and receive the Holy Ghost. It is part of being a believer. There is always action required with believing…faith without works is dead.

Romans 10:9-11 (Amplified Bible)
9Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.

11The Scripture says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.(A)

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I have suffered from insomnia all my life so I don't sleep much. I don't remember having but one dream when I was young. It was a nightmare. I was in this barn with all these black cats and couldn't get out. It must not have damaged me in any way though because I now have two lovely black cats named Pepper and Shadie. Pepper will be 6 pretty soon if I let him. He is blessed he can run fast or he would never have made 5. Scratched the back of my cane backed, kitchen chairs today. He just came strolling in like I am going to forgive him. Fat chance.

Since, I have become an adult, I had one dream but it was pleasant I think. I don't remember it now but I was shocked that I had actually dreamed. So, I know what it is to dream but just never had much experience with it. I just do not dream. My DH dreams complete novels all the time. He can tell you a beginning, a middle and and end. They always seem to be good ones though. But long, really long.

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Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,14:42)

JC……….What need is the Baptism of Christ brother. SPIRIT and FIRE, that is what saves  Tim Kraft is right. IMO peace and love………………………gene

You are going to be held accountable for either obeying or disobeying the Gospel message, which both Peter and Paul preached, …water baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We are baptized into his death and buried with him. Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God,

So you think it is not necessary to be buried with him in baptism? What scripture tells you, you do not need water baptism? I can show you plenty that says you do. That is what it says in my King James version of the Bible.

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Apparently today there are some who do say to forbid water!

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