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[dcman]

Quote (heaven @ Dec. 19 2007,09:35)

I have moved this discussion to the appropriate forum and renamed it to better describe what it is about.

I am again testifying here:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum….3&st=15

[dcman]

Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 19 2007,00:18)

Since Christians say Satan is a literal spiritual being, and his whole existence is supposedly dedicated to deceiving, here is a question for you to answer: Paul never met Jesus. Paul often called what he wrote 'my gospel' rather than the gospel of Jesus. Jesus told men to keep the commandments, Paul told them grace was all sufficient. Therefore, since Paul never met Jesus, what proof is there that the voice that Paul encountered on the road to Damascus was not that of Satan?

Now it has been many years since I have even read the passage which I am about to quote. The quote is found in the book of ACTS and I have to look it up.

Acts 26: 12Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

The Lord Jesus spoke to Saul…well knocked him off his high horse actually. I accept the testimony/conversion of Saul who became Paul, as being what he says it is. Besides, the Spirit of God bears witness to the bible that it is the truth, and The Holy Spirit did visit me and confirm the bible to me that it is the truth. For the Spirit of God does bear witness to my spirit that I am his son, He in me, and I in Him.

I assume you have never experienced the Glory of God coming upon you through the presence of His Holy Spirit, if you had, you could not say this. I will warn you to be very careful that you do not sin against the Holy Spirit. Watch what you say.

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…the declaration was that Christ had a beginning, which was when he was begotten by God.

I have only one issue with this. If ALL THINGS were made by him, how could He be made with out himself?

Imagine a person if you will whom is created in God's image…

…Body, soul and spirit. The body (the flesh) is subject to the will of the being, the spirit is the life's force, for the body with out the spirit is dead.

[dcman]

Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 20 2007,07:31)

Paul believed the Angel Jehovah gave the Law at Sinai.  He knew Jesus was not the son of that Angel. Your bible was put together by Catholics with many interpolations. Besides your bible contains multiple forms of Christianity in one collection, thats why you can't ever agree on what the NT is actually saying. Catholic forgeries, Pauline, Gnostic and Ebionite writings all in one collection.

Who gave the Law at Sinai? The God of heaven and all of creation, that's who.
You are obviously a pagan, who worships devils, and knows not our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I tell you the truth, you have not the Spirit of Christ and therefore are none of His.

Now as concerning what God said on Sinai…
Exodus 3:14 says:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus said in John 8:58:
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.“

and again Jesus says in John 10:30: “I and the Father are one.”

[dcman]

Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 20 2007,07:21)

Jesus was a Nazarene Essene and believed that Jehovah was an evil creator elohim not the MOST HIGH GOD. You are serving your Father the devil and don't even know it. The god of this world. Who really lied in the garden? Jehovah is not the God of the New Testament.  The Nazarenes knew it, the Ebionites new it, the followers of the Way knew it and the gnotics knew it.  The “orthodox” Catholics made Jesus the son of Jehovah instead of the Most High.

Names aside…for now…

Jesus is the Son of the most high God.

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

This is the reason why Christ came into the world…to reconcile man to His Father.

[dcman]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 20 2007,04:05)

Hi SOL, Beware of judging our God according to your human lights.

If the light of his eye is darkness…then how great the darkness. I fear his judgement that awaits him, …only by the grace of God I stand.

[dcman]

Okay, I'm going to tackle this straight on. May the Lord give this writer wisdom.

First of all God IS NOT evil! Before any creation took place, God existed and had life within Himself. Never was there any evil present in the begining. It is writen that for His pleasure He created. Now He could have created robots with no will to choose, but this is what He did not do. He created the first beings we know as angles, who are free will beings.

The Origins of Good and Evil:

Before any creation God was, is, and will be. And since there is no other save He himself, He made a distinction be Himself and His creation. The Attributes and will of God He called good, and that which acts in disobediance to His will He called evil. Now hat is the will of God?

Hmmm…the will to choose… The lesser creations such as the animals have a will to choose, but they lack “self awareness” or sentience, the ability to feel or perceive subjectively, to choose and make decisions, the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment…the ability to say no to devine will.

God could not create a being having his own free will to choose, without bringing in the possiblity of disobediance, which is the origins of that which is evil.

Please do NOT call God to be Satan again. I perceive you are lost and doomed to destroyed, nevertheless, I will answer for Him, for it is my will to destroy the destroyer and what he is and represents. So here goes.

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On the one hand, we read in the Bible that “God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all,” and on the other hand we have also read in the Bible that darkness is part and parcel of God.

The Light of God is not the phyical light you make it out to be, the light represents His ability to judge and make known or reveal the things hidden where ever and what ever that which is being revealed may be.

God has the ability to make things known, He also has the ability to conceal and hide things or to (cover Himself with darkness, which is to say he hides himself, but not with the physical darkness as people understand). He chooses to reveal Himself to whom ever He will, and to whom He decides to harden in unbelief He hardens, and reserves for judgement.

And concerning those to whom he has revealed Himself it is written: For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren…And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory.

And concerning those to whom he has reserved for judgement and death it is written: For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment…And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment. Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

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On the one hand we read that “It is impossible for God to lie,” and on the other hand we read of Jehovah deceiving prophets and lying.

He also says “do not bear false witness” …and as it is written if God sends a strong delusion to people to believe the lie, it is because because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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On the one hand we read that “God is love” and “love is not jealous,” and on the other hand we read that Jehovah is a jealous god.

And that is God with a capital G to you.

Furher: Where is it written that 'Love is not jealous” If you are refering to 1 Corinthians 13 and Love described, let me say there are differences in kinds of love. There is a Fatherly and Motherly love, there is a brotherly love, there is a love that comes from God for His creation…but some things about love are constant…especially in the absence of evil and sin. Let him who has understanding understand.

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On the one hand, we read the Sermon on the Mount and its call to pacifism, gentleness, altruism, and that we should “be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect,” and on the other hand we read of the savage, vile, bloodthirsty, and murderous acts of Jehovah.

It is written: Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Enough of this …to the apostated spirit…it is written: you shall have no peace nor forgiveness.

[dcman]

I have posted in this thread too:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=113958

[dcman]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 17 2007,13:26)

Thanks for the story dcman.

The dream was real, the part about the Lord speaking to me came after the dream when I looked into what it meant, and what the Lord was telling me.

[dcman]

…a man had a dream…a parable.

The dream started by this man standing if front of a portal. He was standing in the real world when he wondered what was on the other side of the portal. He took with him some things from the real world with him and went through the portal. When he got to the other side what he saw had amazed him. He saw the world…at one moment he was looking at a beautiful meadow…and then the scene changed and he would be looking at a stormy sky, and then the scene would change to something else…and the scene would keep changing every few moments.

This man would walk toward one point but would never arrive at his destination because the scene would keep changing. (You have to imagine what it would be like. You would head toward your car but could not get there because the scene would change to a gravel road somewhere…very frustrating.)
This is the world of the lost, and those who are lost are lost indeed. While this man contemplated his predicament, he realized that he was completely and utterly lost!!!

How can I ever find my way back?! I have tried to find my way, but the scene would keep changing and I would get lost over and over and over. In his dismay he began to cry out to the Lord. The Lord heard his prayer and had mercy on him and pittied him and answered him and said… I will show mercy on you…the way out of this lost world by which means you are lost because of the changing scenes, that when you would go here the scene would change before you, or when you would go there the scene would change again. Hear my voice and listen to what I tell you and you will not be lost…(Those who are lost in the world are lost indeed.)

…If you would not be lost, all you have to do is close your eyes and do not look at the world and its changing scenes…close your eyes and don't look…you will have to trust me that I will lead you…now keep your eyes closed and follow the sound of my voice…keep listening for my voice and keep your eyes closed…now, I will lead you, …but first I must lead you to a very rocky road which can be hard at times to travel it, but keep your eyes closed and follow my voice…you will surely fall on this road and skin your knee and stub your toe and fall down and break the skin on your hand…but if you do not lose heart and stay on this road and keep listening to and follow my voice and I will lead you out of the lost world, where the lost are truly lost…the road will not remain rocky forever, but will become smooth and easier to travel…but the rocky road leads to a narrow road where not many travel. The name of the Rocky Road is called repentence and this Rocky Road which is called repentence will lead to the straight and narrow way which leads to the celestial city, which is the home of the Redeemed Saints.

And as concerning the rocky road that you must travel…

“5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”
Hebrews 12:5-11 (New King James Version)

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