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				<title>david replied to the topic  in the forum Free Will?</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2021 02:56:44 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But you are responsible for helping or neglecting that person who needed help that you happen to come across. You are responsible for your own finances. You are responsible for speeding in your car or driving drunk. You can’t tell the officer that you had no free will. That excuse will not wash.”—proclaimer</p>
<p>of course.   The sort of brain th&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-465072"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/105/#post-869170" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:01:29 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Are you free to actually believe the opposite of what you believe?”</p>
<p>“Over time yes. One small step at a time. A decision here and a decision there. Years later, bad decisions accumulate and the weight of them swings the pendulum the other way.”</p>
<p>Yes exactly!   So you understand in that moment with your brain in the state it was in at that tim&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-465026"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/104/#post-869121" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 04:54:46 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed.  Were you free to say the opposite.   Some people because of what’s in their brains can only agree, can only see it the way I do.  You, and many others can’t.  And you have no choice in how you see it.  You can’t simply decide to see this the way I do.  You simply don’t have those connections in your brain.</p>
<p>You were not free to say the oppos&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-465025"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/104/#post-869120" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:04:57 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little bit off point or beyond what I want to discuss but:</p>
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<p>was god free to say that love is bad, and hate is good.   Was he free to say that you should not help the poor one?   Was he free to say that rape is good?  Was he free to say that steeling is good.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:02:43 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s reverse this.  Assuming you are married, could you have chosen to not ask your wife to marry you?  Was that option available to you?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:00:24 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have the ability to choose the opposite of what you wrote?   Are you free to actually believe the opposite of what you believe?  Can you do that now, if only for a minute?   Can you actually believe the opposite of what you believe about free will?  Is there actually a choice.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 04:28:42 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Free will just means when you need to make a decision you can”</p>
<p>I already gave this example but if you had to make the decision to come up with any city, to me that seems like there can’t be a freer choice. And yet when we look, it’s hard to find the freedom.  Out f the millions of cities only a few arose in consciousness.  You weren’t a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464929"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/103/#post-868936" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 04:22:04 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the driving analogy.  But I believe we are always on what you call autopilot.   You are simply not free to turn into traffic.  That “choice” isn’t there for you.  You can only “choose” to stay in the lines and do exactly as has been put in your head and not otherwise.</p>
<p>someone with a very different brain chemistry who is suicidal can&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464928"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/103/#post-868935" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 04:17:57 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You begin by saying, if your heart is right you will generally make god choices.</p>
<p>I think what we call the heart is really a part of the brain.  Our brain of course is what is thinking and responding to the senses and ideas and input.  We are the sum total of everything in our brains.</p>
<p>there was a guy who never in his life had any desire of p&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464927"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/103/#post-868934" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 19:50:59 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You can choose the one you  or the one you like less. Now imagine the one you like less is more healthy. Then you have a good reason to choose it now.”</p>
<p>I changed your “prefer” to want, only because it’s the word I’ve used in all these posts.  And as I’ve said in my posts, you are free to choose the one you want.  You aren’t free to choose yo&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464888"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/103/#post-868873" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 22:07:38 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accidental unconscious acts aren’t free.  So let’s look at purposeful.</p>
<p>There are only two reasons for which you will ever purposefully do anything&#8211;you are <b>FORCED </b>to or you <b>WANT</b> to.<br />
(Example: Many people say they don&#8217;t want to go to the gym but they go anyway.  Is this an example of someone doing something freely and not because they want to?  N&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464820"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/103/#post-868779" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 22:04:41 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to say you do whatever you want, when you can&#8217;t control your wants? Rather than saying: &#8220;you can do what you want,&#8221; it&#8217;s perhaps more accurate to say: &#8220;you can ONLY do what you want.&#8221;<br />
You can do whatever you want.  You just aren&#8217;t free to choose what you want.  And where is the freedom in that?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 21:54:10 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another similar experiment.<br />
Choosing chocolate ice cream or vanilla.<br />
But, why would you choose one over the other?  Why would you choose vanilla over chocolate?  The answer: I would need to WANT it.  But, can we control what we want?  No. Imagine that you don&#8217;t want to punch your mother in the face.  Can you decide to want to punch her?  Thi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464818"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/102/#post-868777" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 21:46:46 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought experiment (not mine):</p>
<p>Think of the name of city.  Choose any city you WANT.  Pay attention to what this conscious process of choosing a city is like.  This is as free a decision as you are ever going to make.  You have all the cities in the world to choose from and I&#8217;m asking you to pick one.  Several cities have probably occurred to y&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-464817"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-free-will/page/102/#post-868776" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:00:27 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn’t free to come to that conclusion as if to suggest I could come to another.   I was “free” to only come to that conclusion. And that’s not freedom.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:48:18 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free will as most people think of it is an illusion.  I’m trying to think it isn’t but I don’t seem free to do that.</p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic NZ&#039;s Darkest Day in the forum Prayer &#038; Advice</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:27:59 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ed</p>
<p>ya it’s been a while.  I spent like a couple hours a day on here for about 8 years, but I basically switched to much shorter and even more frustrating conversations on YouTube about 5 years ago.</p>
<p>Im not the person I once was.  This website broke me.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2019 00:47:08 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey T8,</p>
<p>Been thinking about you and this forum in the last week or so.  Not sure what to say, but hope you are doing okay given what happened.</p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2018 02:04:38 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend that has the DJI inspire drone and it can go pretty high up.   I’m also co soldering getting the DJI mavic air.</p>
<p>Any way to tell of the earth is flat or round with a drone?</p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:05:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m in the boring middle of Canada.</p>
<p>Its not just that the same image isn’t seen.</p>
<p>It’s that if you take someone near the North Pole and someone at the same longitude near the South Pole, the moon will appear upside down when each person is shown the others image</p>
<p>If it is a globe, we would expect an upside down image of the moon when viewed at on&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-441236"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/flat-earth/page/74/#post-830017" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2018 05:21:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 in that video, has it been addressed?  That being, people at the bottom of South America seeing the moons image upside compared to people in Canada?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2018 04:59:55 +1200</pubDate>

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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 19:18:30 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t don’t this but if you have binoculars and are near a lake or oceon anywhere on the planet, supposedly you need only watch a boat and the further it gets away, you don’t just see it getting smaller as you would on a flat surface but see the bottom of the boat disappearing as it gets further away.  Almost as if it suggest it is on a curved surface.</p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2018 05:23:26 +1200</pubDate>

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<p>Im very new to this.  What of ships seemingly going over the horizon?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2018 02:47:10 +1200</pubDate>

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				<title>david replied to the topic Mikeboll&#039;s belief in a flat world in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 22:53:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“What is the purpose of this deception—with NASA and scientists and others deceiving others into thinking the earth is spherical?”</em></p>
<p>You replied “the purpose behind it is to hide God.”</p>
<p>I’m not sue I understand.  If the universe wasn’t as most believe, with a couple hundred billion galaxies each with let’s say a couple hundred billion stars, m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-439810"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/flat-earth/page/58/#post-826282" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 23:32:15 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey mike,</p>
<p>don want to throw your conversation off.  Haven’t thought about any of his at all, but have a couple questions which perhaps you already addressed.</p>
<p>What is the purpose of this deception—with NASA and scientists and others deceiving others into thinking the earth is spherical?</p>
<p>And, what do we think of the other planets, and stars.  Are&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-439653"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/flat-earth/page/51/#post-826121" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2018 20:48:23 +1200</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2018 20:45:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all.  I’ve been gone for a year or so.  I was on the international space station, helping canadarm2 to get up and running.  What have I missed?</p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Signs Before the End of the Age in the forum Visions &#038; Testimonies</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 01:30:10 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extinction event?  There have been 5 mass extinctions so far.  The last one killed most dinosaurs and plants and animals.</p>
<p>We may have a 6th mass extinction.  Or maybe we won&#8217;t.  But homicide is an actual thing that actually happens.  It&#8217;s not something that may happen.  When thinking of violence people often look at what we are capable of, and o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435167"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/11/#post-819087" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 01:25:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that some from various religious groups are having their heads cut off.</p>
<p>What im suggesting is, this has always been the case.  Judicial toeture has existed in almost all places through most of history and only recently fallen out of favour.</p>
<p>During the Black Death, they went from village to village burning alive all the Jews.  They s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435166"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/11/#post-819086" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 14:47:43 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dot think it&#8217;s just knowledge that has made life better but also increased morality globally.  Look at the homicide rate globally.</p>
<p>And as for the Middle East, I think you are comparing the Middle East (and we may as well throw Latin American countries in there too) to the rest of the world.  And not comparing Middle East today to Middle East i&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435141"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/11/#post-819072" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:44:30 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not suggesting ignoring suffering or saying everything is good so don&#8217;t expect anyone.  I&#8217;m saying: if the world is getting safer, more healthy, better fed, better medical care, and less violent, then we should acknowledge that.</p>
<p>There is this belief among advocacy groups that you have to say everything is very bad ad getting worse.  They t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435068"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/11/#post-818946" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:37:07 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the world is filled with pain and suffering.  I&#8217;m just suggesting that a world with a child mortality rate of less than 3% is much much better than the world of the past which had a child mortality rate of about 50%.</p>
<p>As an example, I know that 3% is really reallly bad and could be much much better.  I&#8217;m just saying: 3% is much better t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435067"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/10/#post-818945" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:15:20 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOMICIDE is by far the best indicator becasue it kills way way way more than anything else and jomicides tend to get reported but rapes or assaults might not.</p>
<p>And homicide is way way way way down.  It&#8217;s been falling for thousands of years.  And continues to fall to this day.</p>
<p>Violence is decreasing and massively so.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:12:03 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find it remarkable how violence is decreasing on the millennia scale, and the century scale and even the decade scale.</p>
<p>Graphs, and charts aren&#8217;t required for many categories of violence, since they went from legal and common place to almost non-existent:</p>
<p>HUMAN SACRIFICE extremely common for millennia, and even practiced among the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434989"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/signs-before-the-end-of-the-age/page/10/#post-818868" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2017 06:16:08 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If sin is disobedience to god, then it would seem that slavery is not a sin.  For god apparently regulated it, and never spoke negatively of it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>If god said: &#8220;slavery is okay,&#8221; then it would be moral to have slaves.</p>
<p>And if of god said: &#8220;slavery is a sin,&#8221; then it would be immoral to have salves.</p>
<p>Is it arbitrary or does God base his ideas o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434617"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/40/#post-818526" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 05:23:31 +1300</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:28:38 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there are many things that should not exist but does ,satan did not do us any service&#8221;<br />
Satan is not the one who seems to be regulating, condoning, and allowing the system of slavery among the Hebrews.<br />
The thing that I think should bother people is: God made commands and rules for a ton of things that today seem extremely minor. Putting the wrong&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434582"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818505" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:23:31 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like we are almost saying god is a victim or a bystander to this practice of slavery.  Yet all he had to do was say: &#8220;you shall have no slaves.&#8221;  And: &#8220;you shall not beat slaves.&#8221;  Had the nations around been having slaves and the Hebrews stood out as different, thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world, it would have been mi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434581"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818504" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:25:19 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The statement that God never changes needs to be looked at in the context in which it was stated,for in the bible as the circumstances change so do the prophets,what God has to say,religious practices,and the peoples view of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>If slavery is immoral, it makes sense that a God, a supreme being, would know this.  Slavery wasn&#8217;t a moral&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434577"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818501" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:19:20 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is telling that no one in the bible ever condemns slavery outright but the principle of do unto others, and love,if taken literally should condemn such practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had this thought also.  But I&#8217;m not sure.   Saying to love someone is very vague.  Saying you can beat someone is pretty specific.</p>
<p>If I told you two things:</p>
<p>1. love your sl&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434576"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818500" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:19:20 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is telling that no one in the bible ever condemns slavery outright but the principle of do unto others, and love,if taken literally should condemn such practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ive had this thought also.  But I&#8217;m not sure.   Saying to love someone is very vague.  Saying you can beat someone is pretty specific.</p>
<p>If I told you two things:</p>
<p>1. love your sl&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434575"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818500" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:08:12 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and yes you  right God in his laws ad covered the slavery but not the abuse on slavery in Israel ,the abuses were ban in Israel by law&#8221;&#8211;terr</p>
<p>The abuses against fellow Hebrews were banned in Israel.  The indentured servitude.  They were not to treat their brothers cruelly.  Yes.  But the actual real slaves, the ones they took captive, the non&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434574"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/39/#post-818499" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 05:13:45 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>twice you said these bad things are what happens without god.  But this is my point.  God wasn&#8217;t absent.  God made rules for slavery.  How you couldn&#8217;t beat them too severely for example.  These things weren&#8217;t happening without god.  He created rules for slavery apparently.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:09:21 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define &#8220;abusing you fellow man&#8221;?   Would a beating be abusing them?  Would killing a tribe, including a woman&#8217;s family, her husband, and then taking her as a wife, against her will, be &#8220;abusing your fellow man&#8221;?  Today the world would define this as sex slavery but in the past, it was common, killing all the men, taking the virgins as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434557"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/38/#post-818482" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:03:58 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men&#8217;s ideas change. God does not change.  If slavery is immoral he should have always known.  No hint in the bible that god dislikes slavery.   People in the past didn&#8217;t seem to have any moral qualms with slavery, including the Jews.  And there was no one to explain to them that it was immoral.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:54:49 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if that is morality, treating your fellow humans as you want to be treated, if you applied that morality in the past, slavery is and was immoral.  No one wants to be beaten or owned.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 06:01:29 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really only interested in slavery and the morality of it.   If you are not interested, that&#8217;s okay.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 04:08:07 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of defining slavery as work without pay (which could apply to children of parents) maybe we should define it the way it has traditionally been understood&#8211;owning other humans as property and being able to do pretty much whatever you want with them.  And they can&#8217;t leave.  Perhaps some of these slaves were captured during a war.  And you ta&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-434549"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-slavery-wrong/page/38/#post-818474" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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