First, would you like a little cheese with your whine? Maybe a cracker to wash it down? Me saying your writing style s*cks:

As a side note, can you please write in a normal fashion; your format is extremely distracting and hard to follow. Stop with the all caps, there is no need to constantly yell.

Your writing format is to difficult…[Read more]

Your response shows up as a period on the forum; what I received in the email update is HTML garbage. Your “emphatic, expressive, and impactful” writing style falls flat if it can’t be read. Learn how to write! You may also want to check your coding for errors since it didn’t post properly.

This is what I received and will not waste…[Read more]

Accusing me of not continuing our “conversation” because I “don’t like your format”, I’m “embarrassed”, or am “uncomfortable” with the discussion couldn’t be further from the truth. I have asked you multiple times to change your writing style because fragmented sentences are annoying to following, writing in all caps means your yelli…[Read more]

You: Didn’t read a word since you don’t know how to write in paragraph format…

ME: DESIRETRUTH????
This is the biggest lie I’ve ever read in these forums!
AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

You: either learn how to properly communicate in the written format, and I will respond OR don’t, and I won’t. It’s that simple!

Do you want me to believe tha…[Read more]

Didn’t read a word since you don’t know how to write in paragraph format…either learn how to properly communicate in the written format, and I will respond OR don’t, and I won’t. It’s that simple!

P.S. All capital letters means you’re yelling and is poor writing etiquette, and is extremely rude; you’re not a rude person are you?

What does the Ezekiel passage of God raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David? Didn’t those “dry bones” once have a biological father? Clothing the bones in skin doesn’t make God their father, what kind of idiotic reasoning is this?!?!?

How is physical sex an act of Satan? God created it so mankind…[Read more]

So the “spirit” gave you this understanding and if the “spirit” gave you this understanding, will others be in agreement with you? If no one agrees with what you wrote, it would make what you said a product of your own mind and not of the spirit.

It’s fascinating most here believe they are “filled with the ‘Holy Spirit’” in s…[Read more]

YAWN!! Everything you wrote is an extrapolation of your mind and not in the word of God. No where is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.

God never spoke to man in riddles; riddles are what you are creating in your mind.

Still no evidence, except in your mind, that God was the one who impregnated Sarah.

Joseph is of the…[Read more]

You: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

Me: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.

You: IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI, WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?

Me: This has to be one of the most obtuse s…[Read more]

You: @Carmel,
Me: I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277 TRUTH HURTS!!!!

You: You have to present truth first.

ME: HERE COMES THE PURE TRUTH, AND YOU HAVE TO START

CHEWING GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORK:

NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

Genesis 17:1 And after he began to be ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him:

IF…[Read more]

You: YOU SIMPLY CONCLUDED THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING HIMSELF THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF HIS SON IN THE LINE OF DAVID, THE LINE OF SOLOMON, OR A DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, EVEN WITHOUT THE LEAST INVOLVEMENT OF THE SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS…[Read more]

Me: You then bring up Abraham and Sarah and presume in Gen 21:1 (which has nothing to do with the Messiah)

You: MUSTN’T THE JEWISH MESSIAH BE A SON OF ABRAHAM???

Me: Was the promise given to Abraham the Messiah would come from him? NO! However, technically the Messiah would have to be a “son” of Abraham as he is the father of the natio…[Read more]

Me: We cannot forget it was the spirit is who impregnated Mary and NOT of the seed of David. Once again, you are justifying lies.

You: SO IS THAT HOW YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO IS OMNIPOTENT???

Me: No!! I believe the words God spoke to David, when HE said David’s lineage will continue through Solomon. HIS greatness have nothing to do w…[Read more]

You can explain it away all you want, but the words written are the words written and you cannot change them. Luke claimed the lineage to Jesus came thru David’s son Nathan and not thru David’s son Solomon. That alone throws Luke’s account into the trash because Heli is a descendant of Nathan AND it was God who told David HE was estab…[Read more]

You: “when there were no sons to preserve the inheritance, the husband (son-in-law) would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name.”

Me: I haven’t found this verse that says when marrying the daughter of a son less man the man being married becomes the “son” of that man. The only thing I found was when a man only has…[Read more]

You: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?

Me: That is a statement of pure desperation! You are utterly clueless on how to respond.

Are you saying the Jewish people don’t associate their tribal lineage to their paternal side? What does verse 2 say, a child could comprehend it. How many women are listed in Jesus’ lin…[Read more]

You: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY OF NATHAN!

ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.

Me: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.

What part of Numbers 1:2 e…[Read more]

Me: I’ve already said all I can; all you have given me are man’s opinions and reasonings for why Jechoniah is listed.

You: ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?

Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness and his lineage was restored to David’s throne and listed as a descendant of Jesus. Even if we were to write this of…[Read more]

You: Isn’t that what you’re doing in Paul’s case, ” I ROBBED OTHER CHURCHES…..”

Me: Funny, I am being condemned for “not reading” all of what Paul says and not putting his words into “context”; yet, this is the same thing that is being done with the Tanakh to support/prove the christian theology. Pick a verse here and there claiming it…[Read more]

You posted from Jews for Jesus (sigh):

“The necessity for this exception to the rule became apparent when Isaiah 7:14 prophesied that the Messiah would be born of a virgin:

“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel.”

Couple issues with thi…[Read more]

I have been to Mechon Mamre, but they use the JPS translation and am not really a fan of it as it reads very similar to the KJV. The positive with the JPS is they haven’t changed the tenses of verbs to make them appear to be referring to the future. Additionally, because I don’t know Hebrew, the site became pointless; so I found ano…[Read more]

You: @Carmel,

Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation;

how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

ME: for the sake of the truth:

ALL MY LIFE:

FROM MY SIDE THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE DOING AS WELL!!! NO???

HERE IS WHAT YOU ASKED F…[Read more]

Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation; how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

KJV “Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the…[Read more]

Consulting the Talmud!?!? That’s not a path I would dare venture down at this point in my studies; I’m wanting to make sure I understand what God said first before trying understand the meanings behind what a bunch of sages debated.

You quoted from Sanhedrin 37b – 38a “Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Exile atones for all transgressions and rende…[Read more]

Nothing in what you wrote supported why Jechoniah should be in the lineage of Jesus, especially when God pulled the kingship authority from him and said he was to be remembered as childless (no matter how many kids he has while imprisoned). This would mean anyone born after him would not have rights to the throne of Judah; AND if his…[Read more]

Nothing in what you wrote supported why Jechoniah should be in the lineage of Jesus, especially when God pulled the kingship authority from him and his descendants and said he was to be remembered as childless (no matter how many kids he has while imprisoned). This would mean anyone born after him would not have rights to the throne of…[Read more]

The mental gymnastics performed to keep the lineage of Jesus from falling apart is amazing. Except Zerubbabel didn’t sit on David’s throne, he was the governor of Judah. Next!

You: WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR MIND, THAT THE OT. IS OBSOLETE?

Me: Never!! God says his law is forever.

If the OT is obsolete, why do you continually reference it; it makes no sense. If it’s obsolete, why are you quoting Jer 31 in this diatribe of nonsense you are spewing? You quote starting in verse 31 and still have no idea w…[Read more]

How do you come up with this stuff?!? Either the words written mean exactly what they say or they don’t; if they don’t what they say, then everything in the bible must be thought of as an interpretive literary work that can mean anything the reader wishes. I say the first option because my God wasn’t maliciously hiding anything or try…[Read more]

You: THAT YOU ARE A STUPID PERSON WITH EVERY RESPECT!

Me: Be thankful there are rules on this website and I respect my fellow man, whether we agree or not, to not drop to worse than childish levels because we disagree. In nothing you wrote did you substantiate your position; all you did was, as Paul, twist God’s words to mean what you w…[Read more]

The book of Hebrews is so corrupt it must be removed; anyone who uses it continues to push its corruption.

Every letter Paul wrote is a lie, he admits to robbing the early church, twists God’s words to make them his own, hates the Jewish people, whined about all of Asia rejecting him (doesn’t Jesus say to Ephesus they did well in…[Read more]

You: @Carmel,

GOD WAS ALONE BEFORE CREATION

— you know this how? What about the angels?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 

MAN WAS ALONE IN HIS CREATION

— was he, wasn’t God there too?

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man be…[Read more]

GOD WAS ALONE BEFORE CREATION — you know this how? What about the angels?

MAN WAS ALONE IN HIS CREATION — was he, wasn’t God there too?

GOD MADE A HELPER FOR THE MAN LIKE HIMSELF — because HE said it wasn’t good for man to be by himself, without a compatible mate.

ANOTHER HUMAN BEING THE WOMAN — would be a mouse…

OUT OF THE MAN…[Read more]

What is the point you are trying to get at?

If God was alone before creation, then Jesus couldn’t possibly preexist. hmmmm!

I have no idea what translation you’re using, but throw it away; it’s corrupt. Gen 2:18 in every translation I reference it says “I” will make him a helper – no “us.” This means God alone is going to do this. Besides, do you really believe the One who created light, time, celestial bodies, placed this planet at the right distance fr…[Read more]

You: @Carmel,
You are one of those people
who believes they are the most intelligent person in the room

ME: IT IS YOUR TASK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE TRUTH, DO YOU KNOW HOW?

I TELL YOU:

BY SIMPLY IGNORING ALL YOUR BLAH, BLAH, AND BLAH, AND HUMBLY PRODUCE THE SCRIPTURE THAT IN YOUR LEVEL…[Read more]

You are one of those people who believes they are the most intelligent person in the room and then they open their mouth, in this case begin writing, only to prove they are the biggest fool in the room.

You made the wild claim they were THREE “immaculate conceptions”, conceptions done without the combination of sperm and egg, and I am…[Read more]

You: @Carmel,

So who are we talking Cain or Abel??

Me: CAIN AND ABEL I’M AFRAID IF YOU REALLY ARE
Desiretruth,
AND WANT THE TRUTH

You said Abel, but give scripture for Cain?!?!?!

ME: IT IS THROUGH AND IN CONTRAST WITH CAIN THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BE AWARE OF THE TRUTH!

Stop wasting my time; if you have a point, make it.

I…[Read more]

So who are we talking Cain or Abel?? You said Abel, but give scripture for Cain?!?!?!

Stop wasting my time; if you have a point, make it.

In other words, there is no scripture to back up what you claim and now you are deflecting. To ask me to provide you a scripture to refute your claim of Able’s “immaculate conception” is backwards. It’s okay for you to make wild comments without support, but everyone else must support what they say…understood. Hope your pedesta…[Read more]

You: IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT WHATEVER DOESN’T PLEASE YOU ESPECIALLY WHEN IT REVEALS YOUR SPIRITUAL WEAKNESS, YOU SIMPLY CALL IT A JOKE! DESPITE THE FACT THAT GOD IS AT WORK!

Me: Spiritually weak??!? Why because I don’t “measure up” to your level of “spirituality”? It’s what you write that is the joke.

You: ABEL WAS NEVER BORN OF…[Read more]

You: “HI Desire truth

You: Answer me, how can Jesus be the “root” of Jesse/David/Solomon when both Matthew and Luke claim Jesus was conceived of the spirit?

Me: Genesis 18:11 Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women.

Answer please, HOW CAN ISAAC BE THE SON OF ABR…[Read more]

@Carmel

You guys have been going back and forth AND getting quite nasty with each other…so Christ like. Remove your closing statement, because there is nothing peaceful or loving in your replies.

Answer me, how can Jesus be the “root” of Jesse/David/Solomon when both Matthew and Luke claim Jesus was conceived of the spirit? In order for…[Read more]

You: “First and foremost I am going to remain subject to MY WRITING FORMAT, since it is destroying you in a particular way!”

Me: This tells me all I need to know about you…then I stopped reading.

You: PAUL CONFIRMED THAT JESUS IS GOD! NO? (copy and pasted in all your yelling glory)

Me: Jesus isn’t God, glad you final realize it. Oh wait, it was a question; if Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted, explain the 40 days in the desert when Jesus was tempted. Oh wait, that was God taking on human form and was subject to the t…[Read more]

You CANNOT answer the question with the verse in question; I did answer you concerning the term “scripture” and the only scripture that was available in the first century the Jewish people would reference was the Tanakh (OT) or was Paul referencing some Roman or Greek writing? The fact you are making a HUGE deal of this tells me you’re j…[Read more]

You can look at the OT and use it for a source of review and treat it like a fine piece of literature, but if you consider it “obsolete” what good is it to you? Why look at it; are you in need of a history lesson or as I said before, is the purpose of the OT for self service?

If god is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, HIS words…[Read more]

You: “First and foremost, keep in mind that you have at least four of my post that you never replied for a reason only you know!”
Me: How many questions have you left unanswered for me…tears of rivers flowing.

Your response to Mark 4:11-12: “With your declaration, you simply confirmed that you are more than stagnated and still live…[Read more]

You:

“Hi Desiretruth,

You: God was forgiving mankind without the need or help of a messiah figure.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: God forgave without the need for “blood” since HE was looking for a truly repentant heart.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: So the question still remains, what need does anyone have with Jesus?

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy…[Read more]