DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
As we read in the New Testament, Jesus Christ had already revealed himself as Shiloh (the Messiah)
Except, the Jesus canNOT be The Messiah as he isn’t the descendant/seed of David and Solomon. Your NT explicitly states he was conceived by the spirit and NOT a man. G-d said the Messiah was to be of the line of David, how does no one see t…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
Just because Ezekiel mentions the temple “in the midst of them” does not imply “the building of a third temple, not at all.
You may want to read Ezk chapters 40-48; sounds to me like a physical temple.
This is the Holy City, the Heavenly Jerusalem, which will descend from heaven to settle on Earth, which will be renewed and inhab…
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
Oh really? He’s not born yet!
The true Messiah may well be born today. When will we know?
How do you know he’s not born yet? Can you prove it with the Tanack?
A better question would be has he been revealed; his birth isn’t the focal point in the Tanakh, what he will do and what will happen when he arrives is. Please read again what I w…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
You’re not answering my question.
Who is this Son of Man to you? Yes, the Messiah, OK, but what name do you give him?
How can I name someone who hasn’t come yet!??!!?? I suppose we could call him “Bob”; but the wouldn’t be very Jewish.
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
I already said who the one that “looks like the son of man” is. It IS a reference to the Messiah; it IS NOT a reference to the Jesus. Can you prove the Jesus is the true Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh; did the Jesus fulfill all that was said the Messiah was to do when he was here; if the Jesus missed a single requirement spoken abo…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
Not following your passage comparison of Exodus and Daniel; one speaks of man not being able to fully see G-d’s glory and the other is a vision/dream. You still haven’t explained how this would be about the Jesus.
What enabled him to survive before God?
It was a dream.
The bigger and only question one must ask, did the Jesus fulfill wha…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
I only show you that pre-incarnate Jesus is very present in OT time
What you’ve shown is your belief; you have given no proof, just religious doctrine and interpretation. Christianity teaches the Jesus is the “angel of the Lord” spoken of in the Tanakh; so who where all the other angels in heaven if they weren’t the Lord’s angels?…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
Nothing like continuing to evade and dodge the question; are you afraid to say the name of the Jesus? Are you ashamed to proclaim his name? Is it because you know none of the verses support that belief when placed in the context they are written? So sad!
Isaiah is speaking of a son that has already been born…Hezekiah and NOT the…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
Who do you say the Isa 9:5-6 passage is about? Let’s finish this goal before we move it.
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
This is the passage you posted and have been using during our conversation.
5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, “the prince of peace.”
6To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end,…
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 2 weeks ago
And for you, FOR how long should this last? A few years, a few centuries, endless???
You aren’t helping your cause as I have already answered your question thru examples. Again, this king spoken of in the previous verse canNOT be the Jesus (christian belief, including yours) as there is a starting point of “now”, in Isaiah’s time; the Jes…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Why are you quoting from a Hebrew translation? This translation destroys how king Jimmy translates it.
Did you finally leave the shackles of E. G. White?
Who do you think it speaking of if it isn’t Hezekiah or the Jesus?
What does the “now and to eternity” mean; are you understanding it with modern language or with the understanding…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 2 weeks ago
I see you didn’t read anything and are still smashing the “Ellen White Believe Button”; please provide a single passage in the NT where the Jesus is called any of these titles “wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father” OR the “prince of peace.” Additionally 9:7 says that there will be no end of the government of…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 2 weeks ago
You may want to read the last sentence of what I wrote; I explicitly state the king I’m speaking of and give passages for one to read concerning this king, the son of king Ahaz.
Since you went to chabad.org to get the verses in question, did you read the commentary?
Can you answer why Ahaz would need to hear about a “messiah” (for…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Justin Martyr said:
And I replied, “Not two Gods, but one God in two persons.
I would have said “Not two separate Gods, but two divine eternal persons in unity. In some contexts, they are separately represented by the name “YHWH” and in other contexts they are together represented by the name “YHWH.”
My concern is bigger than who is ca…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 1 week ago
@Proclaimer @Berean @DesireTruth
When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, many things in the Bible become easier to understand. Give it a try, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate this and open your heart and mind.
Be blessed, LU
DesireTruth replied to the topic Daily Devotions in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Still attacking the catholic church and its leader; please explain Paul’s words concerning the Sabbath.
Col 2:16,17a “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; Here Paul states one isn’t to judge another of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Great collection of verses on the Angel of the LORD.
The “angel” of the LORD is also the YHWH who is written about here:
The heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. Heb 1:2
The radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. Heb 1:3
One to be worshipped b…Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 2 weeks ago
This question “Any thing that you disagree with in that Berean?”
And this question: “Any thoughts?
These questions relate to two posts above here directed to you.
LU
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