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[WaterAmerican]

lol that musta been quite scary for you in light of all this

[WaterAmerican]

hello seek. true, nothing has happened on the 17th. i dunno. i'm still waiting at least til the end of april to see something in the news. weinland has never said something would happen ON the 17th. we'll wait and see i guess.

[WaterAmerican]

yeah, theodorej, i understand. i too am kind of nervous right now and anticipating something. i guess i'm also not as prepared as i should be. in any case, i'll stick around this forum. let's just see what happens.

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (seek and you will find @ April 01 2008,22:32)

April is here and where are all of Mr.Weinlands People? Chickened-out I guess. Even tho our Economy is rather slow, but we still have lots of food to buy. So sorry for them, I wonder how they must feel right now. Peace and Love Mrs.

april 17th is when the process begins. no one has chickened out. yall ought to at least have the decency to inform yourselves of the facts before making sneering comments. you folks gonna be in this forum on that day and the days after that? other than that i dont see any point in participating in the rest of this pointless debate.

[WaterAmerican]

well david the answer to your question obviously is simply “no”. God also allows us to sin, so should we sin?

you answered your own question when you said “Just because God allows something to exist (such as satan) does not mean it is something acceptable”.

the question one should ask himself should rather be: “What is God's purpose in allowing these things?”

concerning ron weinland having problems with his voice – it's really unbelievable how this could be taken by people as some “sign” (or whatever people think it is) that he cannot be doing the work of God. is he not also a human being like you and me, with the same body, sharing the same vulnerabilities and weaknesses? oh but no, surely God would never ever allow His servant to fall ill physically in any way – surely God would not allow that! How could someone be God's prophet and be allowed to get sick! …. amazing how people think

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (david @ Mar. 04 2008,06:31)

What was the point of the Sabbath?

hey david, I'm sorry I didn't read everything you wrote so I know my answer probably won't satisfy you, but atm I really don't have time to go through all of this. I can answer you this question about the point of the Sabbath though.

The seventh-day Sabbath pictures the 1000-year period of God's rule on earth coming after the first 6,000 years of man's self-rule on earth. The entire reason we have a seven-day week is because it pictures God's plan for mankind (7,000 year period). So the point of keeping the Sabbath, and the reason why it's such an important command, is that man is to be reminded of God's purpose being worked out here below. That's the main point of it. That's why you don't keep the first day of the week, but the seventh day. That plan has never changed from OT to NT times. That's why the world is ingorant of God's plan and the relevance of the times we're living in. Then again, the Jews are keeping the Sabbath and they don't understand this simple fact either. That's one of the reasons why they're wrong also.

And, concerning the question – “shouldn't we worship God on every day of the week?”. Yes, of course we should. Keeping the Sabbath doesn't mean you let down the other six days of the week. Quite the contrary, actually, you put into practice what God teaches you on the Sabbath. But if God commands you to come before Him on the Sabbath day, it's not for man to reason around that. It's an appointment (appointed time, as it says in the Bible in Hebrew) with God. It's a commandment just like “do not muder” or “do not steal”. Breaking the Sabbath command is just as serious as breaking those. All 10 commandments are to be kept. It's just a reality.

Anyway, I just hope anyone has an open mind to consider these things. There's no point in debating this either so I'm not going to as long as people already have their mind made up and refuse to consider the possibility that they MIGHT be wrong about this.

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 02 2008,21:35)

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 03 2008,04:09) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 02 2008,21:00) Quote (gnipp gnopp @ Mar. 02 2008,04:43) Do you read the replies to you?  I've not been able to get on all week but I have gone thru the posts.  You've gone on and on about apologies.  Several people have said they would issue a formal statement.  I would think 1 or 2 would suffice in satisfying your so called concerns of future people stumbling upon this site or whoever you would direct to it (but you went on & on anyways).  There have been a variety of dates people have said they would come forward, and some not too far in the future. I seem to remember 2 but I would need to go back and check the dates for the apologies. I think a list of who will apologise and when would be good. I will look through the discussion and try and construct that list. Any help identifying who and when for the apologies would help me. Thanks. Greetings t8….We all unconfortable with these tpye of prophesies,but in reality,if God doesn't bring judgement on this nation soon…He is going to have to apologize for Sodom and Gemmoroh….. Fair enough comment. What are the specific or clear predictions of Ron that if they don't come to pass will show that he is false. Nuclear war annihilation of USA, AUS, UK, NZ. That would surely be one. When is the deadline according to Ron. Thanks.

things begin happening in the second half of april after the 17th. that does not mean nukes have to go off on that date or in the month of april. when, where or in what scale exactly nuclear weapons go off has not been revealed yet; although the indications are that it could be some time shortly after april.

[WaterAmerican]

for something different… is anyone following the events currently taking place over in Palestine? It's just disgusting how they keep slaughtering each other. Maybe I'm wrong but to me this seems like powerful thundering. looks like a storm is brewing…

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 01 2008,14:39)

Greetings t8…..RWs books sure have stirred up alot of controversy….My observation is that from a time line standpoint we don't have long to wait …The time in which noticable events of a catastrophic proportion would probly start in April of 08. I can't help but notice the amount of anamous directed at this messenger, it is a natural human reaction to resist a message of this type. Having said that,lets not “kill the messenger because we don't like the message”And I mean this metaphorically. Lets examine the message at a risk of simplyfing things…. RWs message simply says God is going to bring judgement on this country first and then the rest of the world for a period of 31/2 years. In addition he says that christianity as we know it today is routed in the catholic church and we are worshipping in vain because of the adherence to dogma and doctrine that stems from paganism. He urges all to repent and keep God s sabbaths and to tithe so as to support the work. He has declared himself a prophet of the God of Abraham along with being the spokesmen for the two witnesses as well as being one. I find the scriptual basis for his prognostications sound….. What we have a problem with is we believe things and we don't know why…. We always revert back to isolated bits of scripture to dismiss this mans assertions.( Only God Knows…….) If you read the scriptures RW references you will see that clearly Jesus and the angelic host know… Having said that let remind you that we were promised a prophet before any judgements… RW could very well be that prophet….After All didn't everyone think Noah a fool until it started to rain.

/sign

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 29 2008,23:10)

Quote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,23:04) Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year.  Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently.  It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:  “Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself. Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.” So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering. Perhaps Weinland based his predictions from a number of things. 6000 year age which we seems to be near the end of, Nastrodamus and others, 7 year peace treaties, who knows. I personally think that he is using head knowledge with his predictions. I do not believe that God gave him this revelation to share with the world. But it seems we have a year to wait. A pity there wasn't a more recent prediction to prove his words. That way less time would be wasted by some of you guys. Who talks about Yisrayl Hawkins  now that his predictions didn't come to pass. The sooner that Weinland is shown to be the same the better. That said, I know that there are enough people out there to keep these sorts of guys in business for many ears to come. There just doesn't seem to be any shortage of naive people who follow false prophets. Jesus said: and many false prophets will appear and deceive MANY people. So when can everyone here know for sure that Weinland is a false prophet. Can we have a date that will prove that he is false? Someone mentioned April 2009. Is there a closer date that will prove or disprove his words? Thanks for your time.

Ehm, no, you seem to have misunderstood what was said earlier. Not April 2009, April 2008! The date you wish to prove Ron Weinland to be false with is just 2 months away.

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 29 2008,19:04)

Quote (WaterAmerican @ Mar. 01 2008,04:40) Cato, I endorse your plea for perspectivism. Yet I'd just like to additionally point out that Weinland's predictions are placed in total perspective with the entire history of mankind. In fact, I would never be as convinced of his prophecies and of what's written in the two books if it were not for him putting everything into historical and meaningful context. Everything fits hand in glove. There's not one question left unanswered. Certain historical developments, especially the ones of the last few centuries, become clear and understandable if you see them in this prophetic light. The one thing people in general rarely seem to get is that reason and objectivity do not contradict God, the supernatural, prophecies, etc. Just like modern science and creationism do not contradict but complement each other, so with history and prophetic fulfilments. Anyway, that's just the perspective I'd like to emphasize a little bit. wishing a nice sabbath to everyone out there who keeps it Greetings….With reference to “perspectivisms”…My understandings of RWs prophesy is that they are an inspired word of knowledge from God…And not his predictions…. If Iam wrong than I stand corrected.

Correct, of course, they're not “his” predictions don't really know why i used that terminology

[WaterAmerican]

Cato, I endorse your plea for perspectivism. Yet I'd just like to additionally point out that Weinland's predictions are placed in total perspective with the entire history of mankind. In fact, I would never be as convinced of his prophecies and of what's written in the two books if it were not for him putting everything into historical and meaningful context. Everything fits hand in glove. There's not one question left unanswered. Certain historical developments, especially the ones of the last few centuries, become clear and understandable if you see them in this prophetic light.

The one thing people in general rarely seem to get is that reason and objectivity do not contradict God, the supernatural, prophecies, etc. Just like modern science and creationism do not contradict but complement each other, so with history and prophetic fulfilments. Anyway, that's just the perspective I'd like to emphasize a little bit.

wishing a nice sabbath to everyone out there who keeps it

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,13:04)

Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year.  Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently.  It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:  “Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself. Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.” So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.

The Nostradamus thing is indeed an attempt to cash in on people's fears. In fact, this book “The Nostradamus Code WWIII” is not new. Back in 2005, a guy sold it on his website, but back then it was entitled “The Nostradamus Code WWIII 2006-2012”. I bought it back then. I have it right here with me. It's a cheaply bound stack of paper (not even a book!) that is completely incoherent, contrived and ridiculous. And as I can infer from your post they now apparently re-titled it “WWIII 2008-2012”. No big surprise there. So, from this very obvious fact one can automatically see that this stuff is false.

Not so with Mr. Weinland. If his time frame for predictions turns out to be false, there's not gonna be any more books (which are free in the first place anyway).

[WaterAmerican]

Well let's hope that for all the destruction that's gonna take place at least there won't be the kind of atrocities comitted like there were in WW2. At least not by Europe; but, looking at China and those nations – I wouldn't put anything past them.

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (Cato @ Feb. 27 2008,19:54)

In my previous post no one seemed to answer any of my points.  I did not examine the idea of the alleged coming European military assault as foretold by Mr. W. through scripture, as there is plenty of point counter-point going on.  I look at it as a matter of probability based on my knowledge of industry, economics, politics and military operations.  A Russian, Chinese or Pan-Islamic WW III scenario, as per some interpretations of Nostradamus, would make far more sense then a european initiated conflict starting in such a near term as evidently proposed.  Even if a charismatic dictator could some how suddenly come to fore, and overule the various constitutional and national issues to wield such political power he would then have to reshape the various economic, industrial and military spheres as well.  This in a continent that largely eschews the military (especially since the fall of the Soviet Union) and berates military adventurism on the part of the americans.  These changes while possible in the larger scheme of things are nearly impossible in the time frames given.  Retooling, retraining, production, command infrastructure would all have to be made or reconstituted at a new level.  Remember this is a continent that could barely manage action in their own area (ie. Bosnia) and needed American strategic transport help to manage the meager forces assigned to Afghanistan.  The time frame to make these changes is unrealistic in the extreme.  As for possible tie in with the Catholic Church, the institution is near an all time low in terms of temporal influence, especially in europe.  Yes, I suppose with the divine or the infernal as this case may be, anything can happen, but in terms of normal reality it is exceedingly improbable.

Yup, Cato, you are right, in terms of reality or probability it seems almost impossible. I kind of wonder how exactly it is going to happen as well. But remember: Europe only arises IN RESPONSE to the power vacuum left by the demise of the United States and her closest allies, which is going to take at least 6 months. They won't want to do it, but they feel forced to restore international order. Just imagine the tremendous effect a nuclear terrorist attack is going to have on the psyche on all these countries. Europe will fear they are next.
So how will they do it? In Ron's first book it says the already have the military power in their possession “under the cloak of NATO”. So, I guess we have to assume that Europe is going to take command of and utilize all the NATO military forces stationed in mainland Europe. Now, I'm not sure, but aren't there still about at least 30.000 NATO tanks and other stuff left from the Cold War era? Let alone all the nuclear weapons stationed in Europe. In the case of Germany, they're already there, it's just a matter of who has control over them.

But I agree, looking at the world stage right now it really looks improbable. What I wonder most about the “retooling, retraining, production, command infrastructure” you mentioned. Europe would have to transform its economic system in a war economy very quickly. Even if that works, I can't imagine people would volunteer for the military either. Speaking of Germany I can say from experience that people over here do everything to avoid the conscription when they reach the age of 18, and most of the population hates military service. I really don't know how Europe would become a global power capable of conquering half the world and fighting the Chinese and Russian hordes without a sizeable military force.

However, if things start to happen in April, then you can also postively know that things are going to happen with regard to Europe just as prophesied. Either everything is true completely, or nothing is true.

[WaterAmerican]

P.S.: I'd apologize for using and spamming your forum though (like I am doing now) lol

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2008,10:37)

Quote (WaterAmerican @ Feb. 27 2008,11:21) t8, i agree, we should all settle on some definite prediction. Ron has not said the nuclear attack will happen in April, but nukes will go off as a part of these things (cities affected being at least NYC, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles). There are some definite predictions though: 1) When the pope comes to the US in April, he will give a speech on or shortly after the 17th that will have tremendous political consequences. He said that “what's going to come out of his [the pope's] mouth will not be the same as it has been before”. 2) Also, probably more specific, Ron has said that great destruction upon the United States will occur IN the month of April (that is, after April 17th). You can get this confirmed by listening to the latest radio interviews on his website, like the one with Daniel Ott in Indianapolis. He has not said in what form exactly this destruction will take place. So, we can agree upon this: If no destructive event has taken place in the US by the end of April, meaning that we all sit here May 1st and nothing has happened – then yes, I would have to say Ron's prophecies have been false. (And yeah, you would get your apology you so long for    ) But Ron will be right, because these things are coming directly from God to mankind (through Ron as a prophet), and you will all be able to witness it. Thanks WaterAmerican. OK, so if there is no visible destruction in the US in April, then on the 1st of May everyone who believes Ron will know that they put their trust in a man instead of God. And then those people who promoted his prophecies as true, can apologize to all who read these forums for promoting false prophecies. I know that discipleelohim has said he will apologize and you to WaterAmerican. I hope that the others will do that too. Will anybody else promoting these prophecies put their name forward for an apology if there is indeed no destruction of the US in April? The apologies should be posted in this discussion so future readers will be able to learn to not follow in the same footsteps and also for the benefit of those who promoted these false prophecies as it will help amend any damage that could have been caused. Remember that no lie is of God and so no lie is good.

Well, you know, if nothing begins to happen in April it's not just going to be this discussion board. If it doesn't happen, Ron is done for and you'll be able to see people mocking him and the Church all over the internet, and probably also all over the country, because he said to several radio stations that he would come back on and admit his error if what he said wouldn't come to pass. So you surely don't have to worry about lack of publicity ^^

as an aside, i wouldn't really call it an “apology” on my part. you don't apologize for something you're sincerely convicted of being true. I think “admission of error/deception” would be more appropriate.

but what about you, t8, are you going to be here in this thread and “admit” your error? I'm definitely going to be here. You don't have to “apologize” , b/c, like everyone else around here, it's just what you believe to be true. I'd definitely be looking forward to having that conversation (since I honestly believe I have nothing to be worried about in this respect).

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (Broncs453 @ Feb. 27 2008,04:30)

Quote (WaterAmerican @ Feb. 27 2008,12:28) Quote (Broncs453 @ Feb. 27 2008,01:59) Water – My understanding was that April was the month that the tribulation would start, but that there would be a 6 month window in which destruction would begin or escalate.  To me, no nukes in April would not mean that Weinland is wrong or a false prophet.  I strongly believe that the pope's appearance and speech(es) in NY in April will be of major significance.  I would be comfortable with saying if there are no major catastrophies by June 1 then this stuff is bunk.  But you guys don't realize how precarious our financial system is.  I work in financial services and this country is ALREADY bankrupt.  The underlying rot is throughout the entire system, and it's just a matter of time until the masses finally catch on.  The Bush Crime Family has sold us down the river, and it's past the point of no return.  I can EASILY see the SHTF pretty soon, as it gets uglier every day.  Combine that with everything else and you've got the recipe for major events happening soon. Peace, Well my understanding was that the 6 month period is the time period in which the main part of the destruction will take place, not just begin/escalate. After that period (which could possibly also be a whole year) is over, Europe will conquer the US. But I'm pretty sure Ron means that April and then the immediate weeks after that will be the time when it starts to escalate. I was just a little bit surprised at your comments about Obama and the attack not coming from foreigners – 'cause Ron definitely said it would be terrorism. Yeah, I know the economy is another thing that's going down the tubes, Ron predicted that also. He said that some time shortly after April the dollar wouldn't be worth anything any more. Only reason that the dollar has not collapsed yet is that people have faith in it; as soon as some catastrophe strikes the US, faith is lost, China will shift over to Euro, and from that point on you can start using your dollar bills for firewood. Water – There is something that you fail to pick up on, and it is very important.  You are automatically assuming that “terrorism” means coming from a foreign country.  Terrorism can come from within one's own country, just like 9/11.  I have listened to Ron very carefully, to see if he ever states that 9/11 was caused by “Al-Qaeda” or the like, and he does not.  If he did, that would expose him (at least to me) as a false prophet.  The reason being because 9/11 was 100%, beyond any shadow of a doubt, an inside job.  All you people that think I'm some conspiracy nut, pull your head out of your a$$.  The collapse of the twin towers at free-fall speed defies fundamental laws of physics unless the buildings were dynamited.  End of story.  Ron says that terrorism is behind the nukes, but it will be from within OUR OWN COUNTRY.  Remember that when it happens. Peace,

Couple of years ago I also used to believe the same thing. I don't anymore, not because I don't think certain elites would be willing or capable to do that, but because the facts do not hold up. I've read several books on al-Qaeda and Islamic terrorism and it is a proven fact that they have nuclear weapons. They purchased 20 suitcase nukes from the black market back in the 90s when the Soviet Union was falling apart. They paid for it with Afghan drug money. Also, the evidence for 9/11 shows that it was Bin Laden who planned that attack. And bin Laden is not a puppy of the US government, I have read a lot about his life and what he did, he is not aligned with US in any way.

Concerning Ron, I've listened to him for about a year and it would surely be news to me that he leaves open the possibility of an inside-job. But I guess it doesn't matter anyway who is responsible as long as it happens in the way and at the time he predicted it.

[WaterAmerican]

Sorry for spamming but maybe it would be helpful to quote Ron's words on this in order to settle this point. This is from the interview on Dec 25th 2007:
Question: “Will the nuclear strike on the US and the UK be in April the beginning of the opening of the seventh seal, or some time later?”
Ron's answer: “No, all that I'm saying right now is that there will be some nuclear weapons go off as a part of these things that take place from the time of April. It may start the very middle of April, but there are four things that are going to take place. God doesn't specify exactly at which point at which time those things happen. That's something that will be revealed once they begin.”

[WaterAmerican]

Quote (Broncs453 @ Feb. 27 2008,01:59)

Water – My understanding was that April was the month that the tribulation would start, but that there would be a 6 month window in which destruction would begin or escalate.  To me, no nukes in April would not mean that Weinland is wrong or a false prophet.  I strongly believe that the pope's appearance and speech(es) in NY in April will be of major significance.  I would be comfortable with saying if there are no major catastrophies by June 1 then this stuff is bunk.  But you guys don't realize how precarious our financial system is.  I work in financial services and this country is ALREADY bankrupt.  The underlying rot is throughout the entire system, and it's just a matter of time until the masses finally catch on.  The Bush Crime Family has sold us down the river, and it's past the point of no return.  I can EASILY see the SHTF pretty soon, as it gets uglier every day.  Combine that with everything else and you've got the recipe for major events happening soon. Peace,

Well my understanding was that the 6 month period is the time period in which the main part of the destruction will take place, not just begin/escalate. After that period (which could possibly also be a whole year) is over, Europe will conquer the US. But I'm pretty sure Ron means that April and then the immediate weeks after that will be the time when it starts to escalate. I was just a little bit surprised at your comments about Obama and the attack not coming from foreigners – 'cause Ron definitely said it would be terrorism.

Yeah, I know the economy is another thing that's going down the tubes, Ron predicted that also. He said that some time shortly after April the dollar wouldn't be worth anything any more. Only reason that the dollar has not collapsed yet is that people have faith in it; as soon as some catastrophe strikes the US, faith is lost, China will shift over to Euro, and from that point on you can start using your dollar bills for firewood.

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