To be clear, 1 Corinthians 11:7 says womans is the glory of man, not the image of man.

Martian,I cite the wide acceptance of the Definition of Chalcedon not as proof that it is true, but as encouragement for you to show us more respect.  Please engage us in polite discussion.The egg, the yoke, and the shell is a horrible analogy for the Trinity and I am ashamed that it has been used. My point with the mathematical examples is to…[Read more]

He drew a distinction between God the Word and God the Father, the same distinction the Nicene Creed that he supported makes. Do you agree with him?

Athanasius said that the Word is God.

Martian,Please calm down.  I know you think the Definition of Chalcedon is irrational, but millions of Christians have believed it for 1500 years.  Please don't just dismiss us.  I've enjoyed talking about this with you, and I hope you will continue to do so.I think it would help to understand the Definition of Chalcedon if we continued to ap…[Read more]

Hi Martian,No, Jesus is the only person with a dual nature. The result is that Jesus is both exactly the same as the rest of humanity, and He is exactly the same as God. This is what the dual nature means. Will believers become like Him concerning His Godhead? No. Will they become like Him concerning His manhood? Yes. This doesn't make him…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2007,05:05)Radiance = glowing; transmitted by radiation.Radiation = issue rays; spread from a center.Radiance is not the light itself.  It comes from a source and that source is God, himself.Having a dictionary can be dangerous sometimes  An English dictionary, Not3in1? But it doesn't matter, because as I said in my p…[Read more]

t8,You say that men reflect the image and glory of God, and you are right. But Jesus is not said to be the “reflection” of God's glory, He is said to be the Radiance. The reflection is something altogether separate and different from the Light, but the Radiance is the Light itself, as Jesus is the true Light. John 1:9. I don't believe it says…[Read more]

Martian,Quote By what notion to you assume that humanity cannot represent God or be the radiance of His glory.Only Jesus is said to be the radiance of God's glory, and the exact representation of His person.  Man is said to be the image of God and the glory of God, but I think you would agree that this is said in the sense of reflecting God…[Read more]

Paul also taught that Jesus is before all things (Colossians 1:17), but you believe He didn't exist until 2000 years ago. You believe in a different Jesus, a different father, and a different gospel. Repent.

Hi Not3in1, I've already shown you where Paul rebukes the church for accepting another Jesus. A different jesus means a different father, one whom you believe didn't become his father until the physical birth of jesus. So Paul rebukes you for believing in this different father. And a different jesus and a different father means a different…[Read more]

Hi Martian,It seems our positions come down to …1. You: the dual nature is illogical.2. Me: the dual nature is explicitly taught in Scripture (because Jesus is said to do things that are impossible for man: laying the foundation of the earth, creating the heavens, all things being through Him, etc., and also being called a man).To which you…[Read more]

So it would be better if I said, “It's alright, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe Jesus is God. Why would identity of God be important for your salvation? Just believe what you want to believe and everything will be fine. lala la lala”

See my last response to David in the dualism thread.

Not3in1,The Father in Whom I believe has always been the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.  But the one in whom you believe did not become a father until the physical birth of Jesus.  I understand your desire to be part of a peaceful family of God, but people who believe in different gods are not in the same spiritual family.  The family of YHWH is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2007,17:03)Hi Tim2.Quote (Tim2 @ May 26 2007,07:53)Hey 94,I'm glad you believe that Jesus is the image of God.  Why don't you think that the image of God actually is God?TimAn image comes from the source. An image by definition cannot be the source.God is the Original. Christ the son, is his image.Then we come next. i.e., God >…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 25 2007,13:18)Quote (Tim2 @ May 25 2007,12:53)Hey 94,I'm glad you believe that Jesus is the image of God.  Why don't you think that the image of God actually is God?TimHi Tim2:Do you have any children?  If so, are your children you or are they a different person?Does the scripture say that Jesus is God or does it say that he i…[Read more]

Not3in1,I enjoy talking to you, though it can be frustrating. But you have to understand that we are not brother and sister. You don't believe in the same Jesus that I do. The one you believe in didn't exist more than 2000 years ago. The true Jesus laid the foundation of the earth. This is harsh but it is the truth and you need to hear it.…[Read more]

Hey Martian,You raise some good questions, but may I suggest that you are too hasty in your conclusions? If Hebrews says that the Son laid the foundation of the earth, which I hope we'll agree is something that men cannot do, that He is the same (1:12), and that He was made like His brethren in all things (2:17), what are we to conclude? These…[Read more]

Not3in1,I'm sorry my response caused you offense. I'm not trying to shut you down. I feel that I have nothing more to say than on these points what I have already said. But you should feel free to continue to post. I will say, I am uncomfortable with you praying for me, because you worship a different god (not Jesus) than I do (Jesus), and I…[Read more]