Martian,I'll try to be rational here, ok?   My first question is, on what basis do you translate the Hebrew in Genesis as “functional/dysfunctional,” rather than “good/evil”?  Every Bible I've seen translates them as good and evil.  How does the Septuagint translate them?  Is there any scholarship you can show us to support this translation?  A…[Read more]

Right, John 17. I had an extensive discussion with David about this a month ago, and the conclusion I asserted, which no one has rejected yet, is that just as the Father and the Son are one God, the church should be one body and one spirit with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 6:17, 12:12.John 17:21-22, “that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are…[Read more]

Quote Actually I was reading them to see if anyone would change their mind and wish to dicuss the reality of doctrine.Anyone but me?

Jesus answered them, “If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of Him, Whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the…[Read more]

Martian,I tried to talk to you about this in the dualism thread but you just called me irrational and refused to talk to me. Do you want me to respond to your functionality post?Tim

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2007,12:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,11:34)The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is One God.One Spirit, Three persons, One God!Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.Does it make you believe it more to hear it sing-songed at the end of every post?God is One!God is One!The Father and the Son…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2007,13:24)To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2007,07:48)t8So God dosnt have substance? You should know that God is One t8. Why do you call another being your Lord and master?Dont you know this is forbidden! For the Lord God is a Jealous God and there is none other beside him or like him!You cant have “Two masters”!Luke…[Read more]

(t8)Quote Quote (Cult Buster @ June 01 2007,13:53) It is evident that in Heb 1:3 Christ is being described as a divine Being. He is of the same substance as God. To CultB.In your quote you just admitted that Jesus isn't God himself.You clearly are speaking about 2. A being of the same substance as God is a being that is like God himself in the…[Read more]

Quote What did Jesus say? “ye are theos”.No, Jesus said, “Ye are theoi.” Plural. I would hope no one would compare the so-called theoi with the true Theos.

Nick,It does not say “the Word was a son begotten in the beginning.” First of all, show some reverence and capitalize the Son of God. Second, we know from John 1:1 that the Word wasn't begotten in the beginning, He already was in the beginning! That's why the Definition of Chalcedon says, “begotten of the Father before the ages.” Before the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2007,09:03)Quote (Tim2 @ June 01 2007,08:53)God is one, as you say.  The Father and the Son are one, as Jesus says.  So what's the problem?Hi Tim,The problem is that when Jesus said he and his Father were one…..he didn't mean it the same way YOU mean it!Read John 17 again, please.I'll just take Him at His Word and a…[Read more]

I agree with the Definition of Chalcedon.

God is one, as you say. The Father and the Son are one, as Jesus says. So what's the problem?

Hi Nick,Do not be as the mule which has no understanding.Tim

One of the implications of dualism is that everything except God was created out of nothing. This should be fairly obvious from Genesis 1. God spoke, and whatever He decreed to exist came into existence. The only alternative is that creation came out of God, but this would amount to pantheism, the idea that everything is God. God is the source…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,16:18)Tim2.I will post quickly in response to your last post and may follow it up later with a more indepth response.'elohiym' is used to describe gods who should worship the true God. 7 All who worship images are put to shame,       those who boast in idols—       worship him, all you gods!'elohiym' also describes the son…[Read more]

Hi t8,Quote You can't have it both ways, he is either from God or God himself.I think you are conflating the nature/substance of God with the personality of God. You are starting from the assumption that God is one person. But that is the issue we're discussing. You can't offer an assumption as evidence when the assumption is disputed. Now…[Read more]

Nick, how come you're allowed to use logic but I can't? No fair. No, Nick, I don't believe “Jesus was begotten as a son of God in the beginning,” I believe He is the only begotten Son of God, begotten before the ages. It says the Christ is consubstantial with humanity, so He is exactly the same as, consubstantial with, Mary. He is also exactly…[Read more]

t8,Since you mention 2 Peter 1:4, I will re-post this comment I made on the dualism thread, which no one ever responded to:(tim2)Quote John 1:1 -“and Theos was the Word.”  Some scholars believe that Theos, though a noun, is used here in a qualitative sense, as in, “The Word had the nature of God.”Acts 17:29 -“We ought not to think that the Theion…[Read more]

Where does it say that Jesus reflects God? It says that Jesus is the Radiance of God's glory. The radiance comes directly from the source. A reflection bounces off of another object.