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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2009,10:24)

Hi texas, Why spoil your work by seeking contention?

Nick!
Sorry Nick! Wrong again! I`m not seeking contention at all. What I`m trying to do, actually, is help individuals, not hurt anyone. If you are really reading that into me, you`re reading me wrong. That, believe it or not, is the last thing in the World that I want.

From my study of the Bible, I learned, that the majority of people on this Planet, are in for a pile of trouble! I didn`t wish for any to be wiped out during Jehovah`s War of Armageddon; so I`ve been trying my very best to sound a warning, so that they all could get away safe. That shouldn`t make me a bad person in everyones eyes, Nick!

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Quote (ArcAngel @ June 06 2009,12:55)

Quote (Texas @ June 06 2009,14:56) We now know, that Jesus was the 'door to the sheep-fold.' That he was the 'good shepherd.' We have learned that the entire realm of religious Christendom, are the 'thieves and robbers, trying to climb up, some other way,' that Jesus spoke about; trying to climb up their own way! We have learned, that because of all the aforesaid, we are to follow ONLY HIM. We have also learned, that Jesus sheep do not listen to Christendom's Religious teachers! That we are to flee from them. 7 So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the door for the sheep. 8 All the people who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.9 I am the door, and the person who enters through me will be saved and will be able to come in and go out and find pasture. 10 A thief comes to steal and kill and destroy, but I came to give life—life in all its fullness.    11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. 12 The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd who owns them. When the worker sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them. 13 The man runs away because he is only a paid worker and does not really care about the sheep.    14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep, and my sheep know me, 15 just as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I give my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not in this flock, and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.17 The Father loves me because I give my life so that I can take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me; I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to take it back. This is what my Father commanded me to do.” If you look It said THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE ME are robbers and thieves. I dont know what you have against other churches, or what church you belong to, But If an individual can help bring someone TO the door then its up to them to open it and ask God to forgive them for their sins. Your whole thing about Christendom,,,What the heck is that. I'm a pretty intelligent person, but you just brought a new one on me. You also seem to be quite judgmental whats up with that. Do it the way you see it or go to Hell? Buddy I've been saved for quite a few years and I can tell you, whenever I heard someone talking like you, I wouldnt listen to them. If your trying to bring people to God, the way your attempting will turn more off than draw them in. Far be it for me to really criticize since I am a mere man and in NO WAY perfect. but its just an observation.

ArcAngel!
Listen “Buddy!” For a guy that doesn't listen to ones like me, you do pretty damn good at trying to begin a conversation, with me, by even replying to my post. You're supposed to flee from me, don't you remember? My idea of you, is, you're nothing more than a hypocrit! You show that you are by replying to my post.

By the way, Jesus meant, when he said, 'all those who came before me,' he meant, all of those false prophets that was on the scene prior to his coming into kingdom power. He foretold all of those guys in Matthew 24-Mark 13-Luke 21 that they would be on the earth BEFORE he came into kingdom power. You want an example of those false prophets? Check out the Churchs of Christendom. They are loaded with them! Now, you do as you told me! Go to HELL Pal! Never mind you'll end up in the lake of fire anyway! You'll get there soon enough! Texas

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Quote (Cindy @ June 06 2009,18:03)

Nick  If they that have never heard of Jesus in the Old Testament times, and all those Babies that were aborted, what about them? They will not have a chance?  I do not believe that God is merciless, and will let them stay dead. Anybody else have any idea about this subject? Peace and Love Irene

Irene!
How many Babies, and Children, do you think was swept away in the flood-period? How many when ancient Sodom and Gomorra got blasted from heaven, with fire and sulpher? These was periods of Judgment Irene, and Jehovah was sick to death of their conduct and actions back in those days. Only eight survived the Flood! Only three made it out alive from Sodom and Gomorra! The conduct and actions of people today is exactly the same as it was in those days; in fact probably much worse. Jehovah's intention now, during this judgment period, is to “make an extermination, indeed a terrible one of ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH.” So, said Zephaniah the Prophet. So take your complaint to Jehovah, about that! {Zephaniah 1:14-18} Texas!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,09:12)

Hi Texas, 1914 has a distinct JW ring to it.

Nick!
When did World War one, break out? What about World War Two? Those was the principle part of the composite sign of the presence of Christ, was they not?. Never mind what the Watchtower has to say about that. The Bible itself, tells you that, because the year 1914 was the year, these massive blood-spilling Wars, began. We don't need the Watchtower to tell us that. The dullest person would be able to figure that out ALL BY HIMSELF WITHOUT THE AID OF THE WATCHTOWER MAGAZINES. So, the real ring of those statements, is the loud ring the Bible gives you on that year. Dump your ideas about the Watchtower Nick. Get rid of them. You only make yourself look foolish by coming off the way you do, every time you hear scripture the Watchtower has used. The Bible doesn't belong to them Nick, it belongs to Jehovah God. He's the one telling you, the year 1914 was the year to look to. When you are reading the Bible Nick, try opening wide your eyes, and look at what the Bible is saying, because it takes precedence over what the Watchtower Society says, any day. Texas

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Quote (Cindy @ June 05 2009,00:40)

So now you have become a news reporter?

Georg!
Why not Georg? Afterall, it is very newsworthy, is it not? Frightening, too, maybe, but it's just another part of the composite sign, isn't it? So, maybe, just, maybe, it's the very best of news, and well-worth reporting on. Didn't Jesus say, 'when you see all these things, lift your heads up, because your deliverence is near.' Of course, we don't see 'all these things,' as yet, but, we'll keep awake, and watch for them. Perhaps it will not be too long, and we will see them all. So, we keep on the watch! As I see these news articles, I'll keep everyone informed. If, that is, they haven't heard it already. Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ June 04 2009,10:25)

Texas It is one of the seven heads on the beast in Rev. 13:1 that received the deadly wound, tell me, who or what do these seven heads represent? What is the meaning of the ten horns, and the ten crowns? Georg

Georg!
I would like you to look at something, that you just might find very interesting. As you're looking, let me direct some questions at you about these verses concerning this one who received this head-wound yet was healed.

First off ,as you already know, this Beast with the Ten horns and seven heads, is first in line, as you already know that these seven heads are seven ruling dynasties of Kings in their continuing forms, from Egypt- Assyria-Babylon-Medo-Persia-Greece- Rome- British-American. Don't forget too, that there are, to date, 192 Nations that have received admission to the United Nations. Pictured by the Ten Horns.

As for the, Lion, Bear, and Leopard! These picture the sucessive Kingdoms of Babylon-Medo-Persia- and Greece occupied today, by, Iran, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon. Just as a side-point here, both Daniel, as well as John in the Revelation account foretold these exact same four Beast. Look closely at both accounts, and you will see the only difference is, they are presented in reverse order. The reason being, of course, is because Daniel was looking forward in time, while John was looking backwards in time.

Now, Georg! Can you, after reading, the following, with everything that I have capitilized, still tell me, that the one with the head-wound was Rome? Did Rome rule this entire Planet? Did it hold absolute sway over every tribe, peoples and tongues? Everyone on earth? Did they force all the earth to receive this mark on their foreheads or on their right hand? Lets face the facts Georg! No! They didn't! Was everyone in the days of the Romans not able to buy or sell lacking those marks? Was those laws installed at that time? No! Is the proper answer to those questions. So! No! Georg, Rome, wasn't the head, that received that fatal wound. Not at all, they wasn't!

The Beast from the Sea
1-2 “And the Dragon stood on the shore of the sea. I saw a Beast rising from the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads—on each horn a crown, and each head inscribed with a blasphemous name. The Beast I saw looked like a leopard with bear paws and a lion's mouth. The Dragon turned over its power to it, its throne and great authority.
3-4 One of the Beast's heads looked as if it had been struck a deathblow, and then healed. The whole earth was agog, gaping at the Beast. They worshiped the Dragon who gave the Beast authority, and they worshiped the Beast, exclaiming, “There's never been anything like the Beast! No one would dare go to war with the Beast!”
5-8 The Beast had a loud mouth, boastful and blasphemous. It could do anything it wanted for forty-two months. It yelled blasphemies against God, blasphemed his Name, blasphemed his Church, especially those already dwelling with God in Heaven. It was permitted to make war on God's holy people and conquer them. It held ABSOLUTE SWAY OVER ALL TRIBES AND POEOPLES TONGUES AND RACES. EVERYONE ON EARTH whose name was not written from the world's foundation in the slaughtered Lamb's Book of Life will worship the Beast.
9-10 Are you listening to this? They've made their bed; now they must lie in it. Anyone marked for prison goes straight to prison; anyone pulling a sword goes down by the sword. Meanwhile, God's holy people passionately and faithfully stand their ground.”

The Beast from Under the Ground
11-12 I saw another Beast rising out of the ground. It had two horns like a lamb but sounded like a dragon when it spoke. It was A PUPPET, MADE EARTH AND EVERYONE IN IT worship the first Beast, which had been healed of its deathblow.
13-17 This second Beast worked magical signs, dazzling people by making fire come down from Heaven. It used the magic it got from the Beast to dupe earth dwellers, getting them to make an image of the Beast that received the deathblow and lived. It was able to animate the image of the Beast so that it talked, and then arrange that ANYONE NOT WORSHIPPING THE BEAST WOULD BE KILLED. It forced ALL PEOPLE, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to have a mark on the right hand or forehead. Without the mark of the name of the Beast or the number of its name, it was impossible to buy or sell anything.
18 Solve a riddle: Put your heads together and figure out the meaning of the number of the Beast. It's a human number: 666.”

These two-horned Beasts, had a demonic message to bear, concerning the changing of times and law, as Daniel predicted, by telling everyone, that without these marks displayed, no one would be able to buy or sell anything. So, as Daniel predicted, the Times had changed! The Law had changed! Now there was new laws to deal with, that was demonic in nature. Times now was different!That's why they spoke as a dragon, although themselves having a lamb-like appearance, that I suppose would mislead everyone, when they first arrived on the scene. So, everyone would easily be taken in by them. As they will be, when it actually does occur. To their sorrow! {Daniel 7:25} Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ June 04 2009,06:54)

Texas This is an old subject, and this was my answer then. Group: Regular Members Posts: 1159 Joined: Jan. 2009  Posted: May 02 2009,14:25   ——————————————————————————– Texas Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.   John received this revelation in the first century, he was living under the king “that is”, Rome; the five that are fallen were, the Greeks, the Medo-Persian, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and the Egyptians. They represent the empires that tried to rule the world, or, “one world government”. After the western half of the Roman empire fell, 565 AD, there was no more a “one world government”. Many attempts were made by the new kings of Europe to bring that about, but all failed. Near the end of the first WW, 1918, The nations got together and formed the seventh beast, the “League of Nation”, to prevent future wars; it failed in its mission, and by 1946 it was gone; but already a new beast had been formed, not really a new beast, it had changed in name only, it became the “United Nation”, and yes, it too will go in perdition; very soon now. The ten horns are all the nations that belong to it. Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.   Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.   Ten is not a number of ten individuals, it is the number of completion, or all included. You also speak of the little horn. Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.   Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.   You know the beast in verse 7 is Rome, and the ten horns are all the kings and emperors that would rule Rome during its entire existence. The fact that the little horn came up on the Roman beast, shows that it had its beginning during the Roman empire. This little horn made war with the saints for 1260 days/years, it is in fact the Antichrist. He began to rule when the western half of the empire fell, 565 AD. The three horns that were uprooted, were the three barbarian kings that conquered and ruled Roman territory for a while, but were in the end defeated; the Vandals. the Heruli, and the Ostrogoth.     Georg PS. why don't you and I talk about this subject? By the way, the head that received the deadly wound was Rome, in 476 AD, and in 553 AD the deadly wound was healed.

Oh! and by the way Georg.

The Beast, that received the deadly head wound, could not possibly have been Rome; in that the Revelation given to John was talking about things to occur shortly, as that verse puts it. In that case Georg, it had to be one of the HEADS that existed in our own day. It couldn't have been anything else according to the words of Jesus to John. So, brighten up Georg, brighten up! Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ June 04 2009,06:54)

Texas This is an old subject, and this was my answer then. Group: Regular Members Posts: 1159 Joined: Jan. 2009  Posted: May 02 2009,14:25   ——————————————————————————– Texas Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.   John received this revelation in the first century, he was living under the king “that is”, Rome; the five that are fallen were, the Greeks, the Medo-Persian, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and the Egyptians. They represent the empires that tried to rule the world, or, “one world government”. After the western half of the Roman empire fell, 565 AD, there was no more a “one world government”. Many attempts were made by the new kings of Europe to bring that about, but all failed. Near the end of the first WW, 1918, The nations got together and formed the seventh beast, the “League of Nation”, to prevent future wars; it failed in its mission, and by 1946 it was gone; but already a new beast had been formed, not really a new beast, it had changed in name only, it became the “United Nation”, and yes, it too will go in perdition; very soon now. The ten horns are all the nations that belong to it. Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.   Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.   Ten is not a number of ten individuals, it is the number of completion, or all included. You also speak of the little horn. Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.   Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.   You know the beast in verse 7 is Rome, and the ten horns are all the kings and emperors that would rule Rome during its entire existence. The fact that the little horn came up on the Roman beast, shows that it had its beginning during the Roman empire. This little horn made war with the saints for 1260 days/years, it is in fact the Antichrist. He began to rule when the western half of the empire fell, 565 AD. The three horns that were uprooted, were the three barbarian kings that conquered and ruled Roman territory for a while, but were in the end defeated; the Vandals. the Heruli, and the Ostrogoth.     Georg PS. why don't you and I talk about this subject? By the way, the head that received the deadly wound was Rome, in 476 AD, and in 553 AD the deadly wound was healed.

Georg!
When I put that article on the Board, it was not my intention to brag about the knowledge I did possess on that suject, as you seem to enjoy doing. My ninteen page article that I didn't put on the Board, had everything you stated here, plus a whole lot more. In that article, to be perfectly honest with you, I was doing my own share of bragging. I could well afford to do that too, because, it seems I've forgotten more about that subject than you will ever learn in your lifetime. Truth be told, I don't enjoy a braggart myself, so why should I stoop to the level of actually being one myself, just so as to show this Board how much I really do know about this subject, as you do?

No Georg! I simply focused on scripture, and I allowed the Bible to do my talking for me as it should be Georg! One thing I did gain from all of this, is, it gave me the opportunity to compile everything I did know about that subject, in one article, long as it was, or is. Now, when I do need it, I'll be able to draw on it, as I need it. That, alone, if nothing else, is of benefit to me, in this case, to me alone, because, being, in the end, it didn't fully harmonize with the truth of the Bible; well, in that case, I would, never, knowing that it didn't, put it on the Board, anyway, knowing, that you, loving as you do, to pick apart everything I say. I wouldn't knowingly give you opportunity to do that now would I Georg?

Anyway Georg, you can continue on believing and teaching as you will; conversely I will continue to do likewise! Have a great day Georg! Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ May 27 2009,12:29)

Texas I know, I called for a warning myself, I almost wish I hadn't done that. I'm sad to see you have four now, that means you won't be around much longer. I was just getting to enjoy correcting your post, no fun intended, because nobody else challenges me like that. Why don't you check your temper a little, I will check mine, it could be a long time. Georg

Hey! Georg!
One last thing to say to you! I, with my very limited knowledge, as you view it, have been able to, with this very limited knowledge, have been able to expose the man of lawlessness. I have been able to show, exactly where Jehovah's organization is right now, at this present moment in time. I have been able to show, that this man of lawlessness, is not God's organization at all. Not God's Woman. Not the Mother of all Christians in their ranks. I have been able to show, that this organizations Watchtower magazine is not Jehovah's principle teaching instrument at all. I have been able to expose the Governing Body of the Watchtower society, as nothing more than just another false Prophet, like all of the other false prophets on this earth today. I have been able to show, that the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society is not the faithful slave of the parable in Matthew 24:45. Would you, was you, to be in possession of all of that knowledge, have had the guts to come out, and teach all of that? Absolutely not Georg, absolutely not! You don't possess the needed guts for doing that, now, do you Georg? You enjoy your watered-down version of the truth. That`s good enough for you, isn't it Georg? Not for me, it isn't!

Tell me something Georg! Even was you to be in possession of all of that knowledge, and really appreciated it as the Truth, would you have had the intestinal-fortitude to come right out, on this Board, and teach these things to everyone on this Board? No! You wouldn't Georg! Do you want to know why you wouldn't? The reason is, Georg, you like to play the part of the big-shot, who is able to refute all of the teachings of others, so all on this Board, will, believe, that you, are O so full of knowleged. You are, in your own mind, a literal fountain of knowledege, and you wish for all on this Board to admire you for all of your so-called knowledge. You wish to stand out like a sore-thumb, so you'll be noticed by all, and admired by all. Well, you`ll be noticed by all on this Board alright! You`ll also be noticed by Jehovah God, and his King Son! You`ll be sticking out as a sore-thumb, in their eyes too. You know what happens to sore thumbs, now, don`t you Georg, as they will view it? {Matthew 7:21-23; 25:41} Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ May 27 2009,12:29)

Texas I know, I called for a warning myself, I almost wish I hadn't done that. I'm sad to see you have four now, that means you won't be around much longer. I was just getting to enjoy correcting your post, no fun intended, because nobody else challenges me like that. Why don't you check your temper a little, I will check mine, it could be a long time. Georg

Georg!
Look Georg! Never, in your wildest dream, could the likes of you correct a post of mine! Not in your life-time, you couldn't! I'll leave you now, wiith the words of Paul. Perhaps you can call for a warning for him too: “O Man full of every sort of fraud and every sort of villainy, you Son of the devil, you enemy of everything righteous, will you not quit distorting the right ways of Jehovah.” {Acts 13:10

I'll just leave you with that to ponder over! Now, you have been insulted, by one who really had the full right to do it, and really knew what he was talking about.

Hey Georg! Get them to serve their warnings on the Apostle Paul, too. Lets be fair Georg! Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ May 27 2009,12:29)

Texas I know, I called for a warning myself, I almost wish I hadn't done that. I'm sad to see you have four now, that means you won't be around much longer. I was just getting to enjoy correcting your post, no fun intended, because nobody else challenges me like that. Why don't you check your temper a little, I will check mine, it could be a long time. Georg

Georg!
I notice, that it's alright for you to insult me, but it's not alright for me to insult you back! Seems to be a double-standard going on here. That's alright though! I, quite naturally expect that sort of thing, now don't I?

One thing about it though, at least they can't say I didn't add a little color to their Board. Seems to me, I promoted quite a bit of action for these Board moderators. Did they want their Board to lay dead and lifeless?

Why didn't you, Georg, call for a warning for yourself, since you insulted me, just as much, if not more, than I insulted you? Now, you couldn't do that, now could you Georg? That would be fair and just. What though, does this World know about fairness and justce? Absolutely nothing Georg, absolutely nothing! Look who the 'god of this World' is! What's he know about fairness and justice? 2 Corinthians 4:3,4 What would his followers know about that? You answer that one for yourself! Texas

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Quote (Cindy @ May 27 2009,02:28)

Quote (Texas @ May 26 2009,23:35) Georg! I'm guessing that you know all about obnoxious jerks, being as you are the largest ONE that I have ever come across in my life; bar none. I'm well aware about these Beast of Daniel and Revelation. Actually, there's very little about the Bible that I don't know after my thirty-nine years of very intense Bible study. A lot more, than you will ever learn Georg, a lot more. Of course, you already know that from reading the posts I put on the Board. That's the main reason you don't like me. I worry about that, don't I? They didn't like the Christ, or his Twelve Apostles, or any of his first Century followers for that matter. The reason for that was, they couldn't hold their ground from them in any scriptural debate; just as you have not been able to hold your ground against me. You never will be able to, either Georg, not ever. Of course you'll THINK THAT YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T georg, you just simply can't, and you know that you can't! Lacking the Holy Spirit, as you do, that would be entirely impossible. Idiots like you Georg, don't really bother me all that much, and, of course, I'll always keep coming back at the likes of you. I'll never quit doing that either. It is a lifetime Job I have taken on; and, as I said, IDIOTS THE LIKES OF WHAT YOU ARE WILL NEVER STOP ME FROM DOING THAT. They couldn't stop the Christ, the Couldn't stop his Apostles, or any of his first Century followers, and they will not stop me either. To me a big favor Georg, HIT IT! You don't like me, I don't like you! So stop reading my posts, if they are  all that upsetting to you. Just don't click on them anymore, and lets leave it at that! From now on Georg, ignore me, I'll certainly ignore you, in retrurn. That will be the greatest pleasure of my life! Don't have a good day Georg! Texas!     Little texas Now that is what I call a debate. You talk about ground to stand on, you better look again, you have no ground. You would like for me to disappear, I know, but you see, you are a challenge to me, with your post I can see just how much I have learned. I don't hate you, your nasty remarks annoy me, but over all I really enjoy this, it keeps me on my toes. I almost feel for you, because I have never met any one who was so deceived. Georg

Irene!
Boy! Is your memory ever failing you in your old age! You say, I have no ground to stand on? What ground was you standing on this Morning when I had to set you straight on a scriptural matter? You, made mention that a witness at your door one time, was telling you about the prexistence of Jesus. You'll remember you said that this one was crazy? You had the Holy Spirit on you, so you knew beyond all doubt that Jesus never existed prior to coming to this earth. That Jehovah would never allow you to believe something like that. You'll remember I Told you, that whoever had laid their hands on you to impart the Holy Spirit; that it didn't take the first time around? I sugessted to you, to go and give it another try? Now you remember all of that, now, don't you?

Remember also the two scriptures where Jesus himself was telling you that he existed before the World was? One at John 17:5 the other at John 8:23- To wit- “Now you Father, glorify me alongside yourself, with the glory I had alongside you, before the Wolrd was.” Or, the other at John 8:23 where Jesus again told you this: “So he went on to say to them {and you Irene} “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this World, I am not from this World.” It is not Jehovah, that doesn't wish you to believe that, it is the god that you worship who wouldn't wish for anyone to know that. His name is: Satan- The Devil! The one who has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, those, such as yourself Irene!

Now, Irene, just which of us was standing on solid ground in this case Irene? It would appear that the spirit that is really on you was sound asleep when you mentioned that, that witness was crazy; for you was the crazy one, not the witness Irene! Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ May 26 2009,12:55)

Texas  So you did not receive God's Holy Spirit?  We were Baptized In ” The name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Without God's Holy Spirit we would not understand anything of the Bible. No matter how hard you would study. I also have wondered so many times, no matter what I say for instant to our Son about the trinity Doctrine, He will not understand. You know why?  The Minister did not lay hands on Him when He got baptized. That IMO makes a great difference, and the Father also has to call you first to understand. I also belief that we all grow in a different understanding of the Word of God. We can all learn from each other, if the right way is applied, within reason, though. I can give you an example a couple of years ago the J.W. came around our House and since Georg likes to share His understand, He let them in. They told us of the preexisting of Jesus. I told Him He was crazy. But God did not leave us in that unbelief. Irene

Irene!
So, you believe, the one you told me about here was crazy, do you? Maybe you'll believe that Jesus, the one in question here was crazy too. Look at what this crazy one has revealed to you: “So, he went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above, You are from this World; I am not from this World.” So, from that you see that Jesus did prexist. He was in existence even before the World was Irene, and he told us that himself at John 17:5 when he said: “So now you Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the Glory I had alongside you before the World was.”

Now, what was that you was saying about needing the Holy Spirit on you for understanding the Bible, Irene? Quite clealrly Irene, your baptism, seems to have failed you at this point Huh? Maybe you should just try being basptized all over again Irene, because your first one obviously didn't take. Give it another shot Irene, give it another shot. Maybe second time around it just might take.

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Quote (Cindy @ May 26 2009,15:04)

Texas Even though you are the most obnoxious Jerk I have ever come across, I have to give you credit, you keep coming back for more; but that's good, it gives me the opportunity to clear up the mess you made with your post. Every Sunday on TV you hear ministers tell us, we are in the end time, for years they been saying that; so I was quite eager to learn what your explanation would be; how disappointing, but expected, nothing. I thought you at least knew the fourth beast in Dan. 7:7 was the Roman empire. do you even know who the other three beast were before it? You mentioned the ten horns, what about the ten horns? what or who are they? Did you noticed the little horn in V 8 coming up among the other horns? who or what is this little horn with the eyes and a mouth? Who were the three horns that were uprooted? You want to be a teacher, you have to pay attention to details, or do you not expect us to read the bible? You compare the beast  in Dan. 7:7 to Rev. 13:1+2, That beast don't look anything like the one in Daniel, or did you miss that this beast, first of all, was made up of a Leopard, a Bear, and a Lion? Did you not notice it had seven heads, and one of them was wounded to death? Did you not notice that besides the ten horns it had ten crown? Who are the seven heads? Who received the deadly wound? how and when was it inflicted? how and when was it healed? You see, I have already answered all of these questions because they are important to understand. To explain scripture, especially prophesy, you have to have more then good intentions. Rev. 13:1 is not the last one either, it is beast number six, there is still number seven and the eights that came out of the seven. Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.   Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.   Any clue who they are? I give you one, we have been living under the eights since 1946. That in fact is what lets us know, we are in the end time. Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.   Georg

Georg!
I'm guessing that you know all about obnoxious jerks, being as you are the largest ONE that I have ever come across in my life; bar none.

I'm well aware about these Beast of Daniel and Revelation. Actually, there's very little about the Bible that I don't know after my thirty-nine years of very intense Bible study. A lot more, than you will ever learn Georg, a lot more. Of course, you already know that from reading the posts I put on the Board. That's the main reason you don't like me. I worry about that, don't I? They didn't like the Christ, or his Twelve Apostles, or any of his first Century followers for that matter. The reason for that was, they couldn't hold their ground from them in any scriptural debate; just as you have not been able to hold your ground against me. You never will be able to, either Georg, not ever. Of course you'll THINK THAT YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T georg, you just simply can't, and you know that you can't! Lacking the Holy Spirit, as you do, that would be entirely impossible.

Idiots like you Georg, don't really bother me all that much, and, of course, I'll always keep coming back at the likes of you. I'll never quit doing that either. It is a lifetime Job I have taken on; and, as I said, IDIOTS THE LIKES OF WHAT YOU ARE WILL NEVER STOP ME FROM DOING THAT. They couldn't stop the Christ, the Couldn't stop his Apostles, or any of his first Century followers, and they will not stop me either.

To me a big favor Georg, HIT IT! You don't like me, I don't like you! So stop reading my posts, if they are all that upsetting to you. Just don't click on them anymore, and lets leave it at that! From now on Georg, ignore me, I'll certainly ignore you, in retrurn. That will be the greatest pleasure of my life! Don't have a good day Georg! Texas!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2009,07:27)

Hi Texas, But you do not yet have comprehensive knowledge. You still say things that Jesus did not say. He never said he was an angel called Michael but you do.

Nick!
I feel, it's about time, for you to learn something very important to you. Pay close attention to this Nick! Listen very carefully, to what Jesus, the Son of God, is about to explain to you, and perhaps too many others on this Board, as well.

In part: … ” and I will request the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of the Truth, WHICH THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. You know it because it remains with you and is in you.” {John 14:16,17} Now Nick! What exactly does this Holy Spirit accomplish on the ones that Jesus said, it was in? It accopmplishes this Nick: “But the helper, the Holy Spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING BACK TO YOUR MINDS ALL THE THINGS I TOLD YOU.” {John 14:26} Keeping in mind Nick, this is NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WORLD IN GENERAL, but only to Jesus faithful followers who was 'no part of this World,' just as he was 'no part of this World!' Again, in John 16:13, he tells you this: “However, when that one arrives {The Holy Spirit} the Spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the Truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you, the things coming.” Get it Nick? The Holy Spirit, is the main principle teaching instrument, and lacking this Holy Spirit, you WILL NOT understand a word in the Bible, not one single word, even though you may think that you do. That is by no means all, there's yet more to come!

Look at what the Apostle John will tell you in 1 John 2:27- “And as for you, {Those not a part of this world} the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do need ANYONE TO BE TEACHING YOU; but as the anointing from him is teaching you ABOUT ALL THINGS, and is true, and is no lie, and just as it HAS TAUGHT YOU, remain in union with him.”

Now, Nick, because you are lacking this Holy Spirit, is really the main reason why you don't understand that Jesus, even though he didn't directly state it himself, was an angel, prior to his coming to this earth. Now, since he himself, said, “I am from the realms above, you are from the realms below, I am NOT FROM THIS WORLD, but you are from this World.” Now, Nick, reasonably, if Jesus was, as he said, from the realms above, not from this World, just what do you think he was, while in the realms above? Do, you really believe that a man of flesh and blood could reside in the Spirit realm? Further to that Nick, consider something else stated by the Christ, that shows he was from the Spirit realm. Note now, his own words: “Now you Father glorify me alongside yourself, with the glory I HAD ALONGSIDE YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.” Now, Nick! His Father, as you know, was a very powerful Spirit being, and Jesus was alongside him. What's that make Jesus Nick, prior to his coming to this earth? It makes him an angel, doesn't it Nick? {John 8:23} So, he really doesn't have to directly state that himself, because the scriptural information is there to show you that he was an angel. {John 17:5}

I have shown you Nick, that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah's main principle teaching instrument, that lacking that Holy Spirit as this World does, because Jesus told us the World cannot receive it; this World only thinks it understands the Bible. I have shown you, that, that, is impossible. They could never in a thousand lifetimes, properly understand a word in the Bible while lacking that Holy Spirit; and Jesus clearly told us that this World cannot receive it.

As if all of that, isn't enough, there's yet, still more, that's needed to understand the Bible.

One first, has be 'granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens.'' Next, he has to have his mind fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scripures.' {Matthew 13:120,11} {Luke 24:45}

When everything that I have set forth here is done for any individual, then, and only then, will accurate knowledge of the Bible, through intense study, will be theirs. So, work hard Nick! Study, Study, Study! Texas!

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Quote (thethinker @ May 26 2009,08:40)

Texas said: Quote Thinker You're not thinking again, I see. Have you forgotten what Jesus told the Eleven Apostles just prior to his ascension? He told them, this: “Go therefore and make desciples of ALL THE NATIONS, baptizing them, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look, I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” {Matthew 28:19,20} By the way thinker, the Holy Spirit was also poured out on the gentiles. Many from among them was of the heavenly high calling of God. Thinker! Why don't you sit down with your Bible and read it with your eyes wide opened? Have you never read the prophecy in Joel 2:28,29 that speaks about the Holy Spirit being poured out on ALL FLESH? {Acts 2:16-21} You didn't get to that part yet , eh?Time to get to it, isn't it? Texas! Texas, Jesus was referring to the nations of Israel. This is confirmed by the fact that Paul mandated that the gospel be preached to the Jew FIRST. The expression “all flesh” in Joel 2 and Acts 2 refers to the nations of the Jews and not to Gentiles. Quote And there were dwelling in jerusalem Jews, devout men, from EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN (Acts 2:5) Read the context. After the Holy Spirit was poured out every Jew heard the apostles preaching in his own native language. I have now added another of your error to the list. This makes 4 errors now. Error# 4: You misinterpret the expression “all flesh” and apply the term to Gentiles. In fact, Acts 2 specifically says that it had to do with Jews from every nation under heaven. These were the “nations” that Jesus spoke about. This is what Joel's prophecy meant by the expression “all flesh”. Peter said to them that THEIR sons and daughters would peophesy. Show us from the bible where the sons and daughters of Gentiles spoke prophecies. The promise of the Holy Spirit was given to Israel. It was fulfilled exactly in that way. thinker

Thinker!
Speaking about reading things out of context! Was you afraid to read Joel 2: 28-32 from beginning to end? It's talking about the great day of Jehovah's anger, where ther'll only be a few survivors. You missed that very small point eh?

Look at Mattew 25:31-46 talking about the time period when ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE GATHERED BEFORE THE CHRIST. Now, are you going to try and tell everyone, that, that's only talking about the Israelite Nation too?

Consider too, what Matthew predicted, when he said: “And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in ALL THE INHABITED EARTH FOR A WITNESS TO ALL NATION.” Now, your going to warp and twist these scriptures too, to suit your lying purpose, arn't you thinker?

I'm thinking that you should remember what Jesus told the Jews of his day. Read through Matthew 23:37-39. He told them, “Look your house is abandoned to you.” He also foretold the destruction of their Temple where they carried on their worship of his Father, when not a stone would be left upon a stone. After General Titus leading the Roman army left, that's all that was left, a pile of ruins. Jehovah had allowed that because he had given the Nation a certficate of full divorce, so said Jeremiah the Prophet. Jeremiah 3:8 So, why do you keep on referring to the Israelite nation when they now have nothing more to do with anything? A thinker your not! Texas!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2009,07:27)

Hi Texas, But you do not yet have comprehensive knowledge. You still say things that Jesus did not say. He never said he was an angel called Michael but you do.

Nick!
Maybe he himself didn't Nick, but his Apostles most certainly did! You just have to have the Holy Spirit on you,in order to see, that they did. Quite clearly, you are lacking that Holy Spirit, that's why you don't understand the Bible. If you remain in that condition, you never will, either.

Nick! I have forgotten more about the Bible, than you are ever going to learn!
Texas!

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Quote (Cindy @ May 26 2009,06:27)

Quote (Texas @ May 25 2009,22:38) Irene! Just another side-point here. You made mention, that the Holy Spirit was Jehovah's mind, now didn't you? Indicating to me, that you knew Jehovah's mind. Paul doesn't agree with you at all, for note what he stated about that particular mind: “For WHO has come to know THE MIND OF JEHOVAH that he/she may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ!” {1Corinthians 2:16} So, once again your reasoning is way out in left field. You must enjoy that position in this Ball-Game, because you seem to choose that position for yourself, in every game. Both you, and Georg, as well!Texas! Texas  My Husband is right you are a bonehead, you addressed the last 3 post's to me, when I have not even been on the Computer all day long. You do not pay attention to the end.  Do you even read the post my Husband made? This is Irene and I usually sign it this way:” Peace and Love Irene”

Irene!
I'm thinking that you would know all about boneheads! You've been one yourself, for seventy years. I guess when you call someone else that, you're speaking from personal experience, eh? Boy! You do leave yourself wide-open for things don't you? Perhaps, you should park your mouth, before it runs away with you again, eh?

Tell, old Georg, that, the pot should never call the kettle black! I'm thinking, he, at least, has half a brain, so should get my drift alright. You two are really a pair! Pair of what? I couldn't tell you! Personally, I don't believe that your husband Georg, is right about anything. He's like you, as thick as they come! Seems to me you're a perfect matched set! Texas!

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Quote (thethinker @ May 26 2009,02:28)

Quote (Cindy @ May 26 2009,01:30) Quote (thethinker @ May 26 2009,01:14) Error# 2: You say we ALL can receive the Spirit. Fact is that the Spirit was given to Israelites only and not to Gentiles. Error# 3: You say that we can “take steps” to gain the Spirit. Fact is that God poured out the Spirit at His own will on whom He will. The Spirit does did not come at man's own bidding. thinker Sorry thinker Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Irene or Georg, The word “gentiles” is incorrect translation. Cornelius was a proselyte which means he was the same as an Israelite. And Jesus was speaking to Jews about the giving of the Holy Spirit. Jesus came only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. thinker

Thinker!
You're not thinking again, I see. Have you forgotten what Jesus told the Eleven Apostles just prior to his ascension?

He told them, this: “Go therefore and make desciples of ALL THE NATIONS, baptizing them, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look, I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” {Matthew 28:19,20} By the way thinker, the Holy Spirit was also poured out on the gentiles. Many from among them was of the heavenly high calling of God. Thinker! Why don't you sit down with your Bible and read it with your eyes wide opened? Have you never read the prophecy in Joel 2:28,29 that speaks about the Holy Spirit being poured out on ALL FLESH? {Acts 2:16-21} You didn't get to that part yet , eh?Time to get to it, isn't it? Texas!

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Quote (thethinker @ May 25 2009,12:04)

The Holy Spirit is NOT poured out today. It clearly says that he would be poured out “in the last days. We are not in the last days. We are beyond the last days. We are in the new covenant age. The pouring out of the Holy Spirit was a phenomenon for the end of the old covenant age. thinker

Thethinker!
Don't you THINK that it's time to start living up to your name; and really start thinking? Obviously, your brain is out of gear, at the present time, and desperately needs some repair work on it! Oh! By the way, we are most definately in the last days. Read 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and tell me, that, that doesn't apply right now! “But KNOW THIS, that in the last days, critical times hard to deal with will be here.. For men will be lovers OF THEMSELVES,LOVERS OF MONEY, SELF ASSUMING, HAUGHTY, BLASPHEMERS, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, UNTHANKFUL, DISLOYAL, HAVING NO NATURAL AFFECTION, NOT OPEN TO ANY AGREEMENT, SLANDERERS, WITHOUT SELF CONTROL FIERCE, WITHOUT LOVE OF GOODNESS, BETRAYERS, HEADSTRONG, PUFFED UP WITH PRIDE, LOVERS OF PLEASURES RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD, HAVING A FORM OF GODLY DEVOTION BUT PROVING FALSE TO ITS POWER; AND FROM THESE, TURN AWAY.” Do you happen to see a description of yourself in these words? If you don't you should. Open your eyes wide!

Now, you don't believe that we are in the last days? Too bad you couldn't tell that to the over one-hundred million bodies lying in their graves, because of World War one, and Two. Too bad you couldn't tell that, to the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who experience the Atom-Bombing of their Cities. I'm sure, that they just might be happy to hear your reasoning on the matter. It would very probably get you killed was you to try and tell THEM, that! Have a nice day, thinker! Texas!

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