All power is All power, so then Christ if not God, who is over us?That would mean God is NOT in control, Jesus is. Because ALL POWER is HIS (Jesus) 'till His enemies are His footstool, so apparently God the Father has no power right now and as the song says, “God is in control…” is incorrect and others who deny the deity of Christ there is NO…[Read more]

Cubes/Nick,Who said “let there be light”?If Christ created all things by the will of the Father and Christs' words accomplish His will and the Fathers' will, Christ “doing” the will of the Father,Who said “let there be light”?

Nick,What then was Christs' role in creation since in fact all things that exist (Yahweh excluded) were created by Him and for Him and that by Him all things are upheld?Specifically, what did He do?

Ok,sorry for the short answers, I'm still at work and do not have unlimited time to discuss, I'm doing what I can.Rudy

So you do NOT believe Him to be a created being?

Nick,How do you explain this pre-incarnate birth?

Cubes,What you say makes sense to a degree.  However, I do not believe that the Most High God ever was or ever will be MUTE!  So by that token God is in Christ and Christ in God!  The two are one and inseperable.  So the Word cannot act aside from Yahweh and ALL of Yahwehs' Creation is by the Word.  So to try and seperate them is again ludi…[Read more]

I'm here and willing to listen.

Nick,Who do you say that Christ is? In detail from the beginning please.

I have only spoken according to the scripture, I have not changed their meaning, I ask you to believe what they say and NOT read more in than is ther. for instance:The Word became Flesh! It does NOT say anywhere that Yeshua was spiritually begotten. It says rather that in the beginning, (Genesis 1:1) God (Yahweh) created heaven and earth.It is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:54)Hi Rudy, So God becomes a father but does not really have a Son as they are the same in substance but have different names?He is “begotten” according to the Flesh. Prior to that He is The Word of God that is God and with God, they are Yahweh!That is the entire miracle of God's redemption. That The Word…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:38)Hi Rudy, The word says that Yeshua was conceived of the Holy Ghost. But are you saying that is not true but he was conceived in Mary of himself? It sounds strange.The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, Yeshua was conceived at that point (according to the flesh), at birth God in heaven becomes a Father, not just…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:16)Hi Rudy, So “Son of God ” is only another title for the Father of the Son of God?That seems funny because Ephesians 3.15 says every family in heaven and earth derives it's name from the Father. So there is no family relationship between the Father and the Son and every family on earth and and in heaven is…[Read more]

Whatistrue,Yeshua laid His glory down when He came in the flesh! While incarnate He is the Son of God!

I am not questioning your salvation, You have one judge and that is Christ.Christ rebuked Peter on more than one occasion for being of the wrong spirit.Matt 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art…[Read more]

So T8 and Nick,I guess that makes you polytheists then, am I correct?

So Cubes,as you understand it there are more than one God.  The Most High and the Word.  The Word was your Creator, became your Savior in the flesh.But Yahweh says He ALONE is your God and Creator.  He ALONE is your Redeemer.  There is NO God beside Him!Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Yahweh) our God is one LORD (Yahweh): 5 And thou shalt lov…[Read more]

T8,You sound an awful lot like the serpant in the Garden.”Did God really say…””He doesn't really mean…””The word doesn't really say…””The word doesn't really mean…”Think about it!When Jesus said “before Abraham was I AM” He meant it, every word!

T8,That sounds like a good point to sell, but, the price is just TOO high!The incarnate Word of God is not God in and of Himself, so in the context of thought, The Word was with God and was God, the two being inexplicably connected. We are NOT to define the Almighty God, his word is for that, and the words of Christ.Your explanation that the I…[Read more]

You are correct Is 1:18,What I've seen missed in understanding is Christ's identity Pre & Post Incarnation.  The scriptures teach specifically that The Word of God was with God and was God, took on flesh becoming Yeshua, the Son of God.  Prior to His incarnation, The Word of God was ONE with God in the Beginning and the name of the ONE and ONLY G…[Read more]