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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2010,22:33)

Hi OXY, But when you are shown the words of God you shun them. How can you be sure you hear the Author?

So are you telling me that what God says is limited to the Scriptures Nick?

And by the way, I don't shun the Scriptures. I do shun some peoples' interpretation of the Scriptures.

[Oxy]

Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2010,20:07)

Quote (Oxy @ July 19 2010,17:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2010,05:03) Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,23:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,17:50) Hi Oxy, Why would YOU want to win? learning is the hope. Learning is good, but hearing is better. oxy you have it wrong;learning is better,than hearing; Christ says they hear the word but they do not understand it ,what good is that? Pierre We will have to agree to differ.  At the end of the day you can be a Christian without the Bible, but you can't be a Christian without Christ. The Bible would be meaningless to me without Christ and the Holy Spirit, but He brings meaning to the things I read, but more important than that, the Lord directs my path and tells me that which He requires of me.  Note, I said He tells me, using His voice. I would much rather hear His voice and know His direction than be a learned scholar of the Scriptures.  Some of the world's greatest theologians don't know the Lord. Hi Oxy, Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shall keep them, O LORD(YHVH), thou shall preserve them(in The AKJV Bible) from this generation forever. Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips “and another tongue” will (That is: in English) “HE” speak to this people. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I agree that the words of the LORD are pure, but they are not limited to Scripture.

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Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2010,02:35)

Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,16:31) I agree with John 4.24 referring to the Father, and acknowledge that it is only through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we can worship Him adequately. Hi Oxy, Then if God the Father is Spirit and the HolySpirit is Spirit, Are you then not making 'TWO Spirits' of GOD in your mind? What about the “Spirit of Christ”, does that then make 'THREE'? Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Let me see… is there a possiblity that the spirit of the Father and the spirit of Christ is the same Holy Spirit?

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Has anyone else noticed how pathetic this page has become?

[Oxy]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2010,03:42)

Oxy………Good point , see not everything here is hamming your head into a brick wall.  Your honesty is greately loved Here brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

Thanks for the kind comment Gene, but I don't really think many share your sentiment.

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How to kill a topic.. submit long post after long post.

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2010,14:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 20 2010,03:13) The truth is “The Word was with God and was God”. Arius had it spot on WJ.  But I understand there was some commotion about whether Arius believed the Son to be divine at all.  That's where he lost the support of Eusebius (and me, if those reports were true).  Eusebius believed that while the Son was caused to exist by the Father, the Son was indeed divine as a result.  He became convinced that Arius did NOT believe the Son to be divine.  Therefore, he switched camps and went with what he thought was the lessor of two evils. ps   Please stop posting that untrue translation of John 1:1. The Word was with THE God, and the Word was [a] god. mike

So Mike, you're right and everyone who believes differently is wrong? Congratulations.

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2010,06:07)

Hi Oxy, You said: Quote He asks two questions. 1 Where shall I go from Your Spirit? 2 where shall I flee from Your presence? If they were one and the same, why would He mention both? What if it said, “What can I do that you don't see?  What can I do that you don't know about?” Would that mean God's eyes and His mind are two separate entities? IMO, that verse further reenforces that God's Holy Spirit IS His “presence”.  The writer is listing one thing with two different words for effect, that's all. mike

You are entitled to think that. Enjoy.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2010,08:18)

Hi MB, Would you judge the GIFTS OF GOD according to your perceived idea of their usefulness? The gift of tongues is to also help edify us[Jude 20] and to help us pray for needs we do not even know about[Rom 8.26f]

Well done Nick!

[Oxy]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2010,08:10)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2010,02:19) Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand,  Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue. peace and love…………………….gene And what the speaking of tongues really helped with is the ones who instantly learned other nations languages so they could preach the gospel to all men. True, it does mention speaking the tongues of angels, but is that the “helpful” gift that God gave you?  Are you explaining the gospel to angels, Oxy? How would you being able to speak what would sound like gibberish to men be helpful to spreading the gospel among men? That's why I thought maybe you were given another worldly language as a gift from God to further His purpose of teaching the good news to all nations, like it says in Acts, 5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Oh well, at least we know you can talk to angels, right? mike

Mike, the gift of tongues as I have explained it is correctly identified by Gene.

I don't know about you, but I constantly pray in tongues to edify myself before the Lord, but I use english when speaking to people. The way it helps spread the Gospel is because the more edified I am and the closer to God I am, the more inclined I am to share His love and to be moved by the Holy Spirit.

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2010,04:19)

Oxy………….I do believe there is a speaking in tongues but it only edifies those who are speaking in it , and must be translated for others to understand,  Paul Said He would rather speak on word in a Known tongue then many in a unknown tongue. peace and love…………………….gene

You are exactly right Gene. Thanks.

[Oxy]

Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2010,05:03)

Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,23:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,17:50) Hi Oxy, Why would YOU want to win? learning is the hope. Learning is good, but hearing is better. oxy you have it wrong;learning is better,than hearing; Christ says they hear the word but they do not understand it ,what good is that? Pierre

We will have to agree to differ. At the end of the day you can be a Christian without the Bible, but you can't be a Christian without Christ.

The Bible would be meaningless to me without Christ and the Holy Spirit, but He brings meaning to the things I read, but more important than that, the Lord directs my path and tells me that which He requires of me. Note, I said He tells me, using His voice.

I would much rather hear His voice and know His direction than be a learned scholar of the Scriptures. Some of the world's greatest theologians don't know the Lord.

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,20:40)

Hi Oxy, Test the spirits.

Nick.. read carefully.. I KNOW the Lord's voice!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,20:42)

Hi Oxy, If you had it sussed in your past why have you not taken to heart that Jesus is the Son of God and Mary enlivened by God's Spirit? This three part god is of man.

Nick, you talk a load of nonsense once again presuming that you know what I think, when it is obvious that you don't

[Oxy]

Rokkaman, if the Holy Spirit was the Word of God, then why did the Word of God, when He was Jesus, say that He would send the Holy Spirit if He was the Holy Spirit Himself.

And how could the Holy Spirit descend upon Himself at Jesus' baptism?

[Oxy]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2010,21:30)

Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,02:12) Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2010,20:03) Quote (Oxy @ July 17 2010,23:39) Christ was the firstborn in that He was the first of the actual sons of God to be born.  He was born of Mary, begotten of the Father at that time. There is no Scriptural reference to the Word being created, but there is plenty of Scriptural reference to the Word being made flesh as the firstborn of the Father, who incidentally wasn't a father until Christ was born, hence Him (Jesus) being the firstborn. Hi Oxy, Don't confuse the Son in the flesh with the firstborn Son that created the world.  One was the root of David, the other the offspring of David. Where is it written that the firstborn Son created the universe? I understand that the Word, whom created the universe preceeded David, but then that very same Word was made flesh and was called Jesus, thus the root of David became the offspring. Hi Oxy, It is written here: Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. It was by the firstborn, the image of the invisible God that all things were created. Firstborns are not creations but offsprings.  The Son of God is the only begotten offspring of the Most High God and came as the firstborn before the ages and by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created.

Hi Lightenup.. yes I am aware of that Scripture, but it was prophetic of the Christ to come. He was in the beginning, but not born until born. He is the firstborn in that He is the first begotten of the Father.

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Quote (RokkaMan @ July 18 2010,21:32)

OXY I agree to some degree but not entirely. I agree The Word of God is god, but it doesn't encompass the totality of God. because the word of God, is shown to be…God Revealed to creation. That means, The Word of God is as highly close to YHVH himself that creation can possibly perceive. ———- Understanding that, The Word of God isn't YHVH himself in totality, but is in fact YHVH expressing (revealing) himself to creation. So to understand Jesus began as The Word of God, he is God revealed to creation…but he isn't The Source himself, that is YHVH. He comes from YHVH, he is a piece of the source but not the source itself. Now when I say this I am referring to The Word of God… Jesus Christ the man was The Word manifested… so all this should be understood accordingly. ——— Jesus was not God when he was on earth, rather he was a manifestation of God equivelant (argueably greater) to The Angel of the Lord in the OT. ——— But pre and post existence as The Word of God…he is, understood to be God Revealed but not exactly God himself. ———- The best way to understand it, is how scripture explains it…. He is a reflection of YHVH…a reflection of an object doesn't have the full properties of an object, but it shows you all the object would like to reveal in that reflection. So this doesn't make Jesus = to YHVH because he CAME FROM YHVH. All his abilities and authority was given by YHVH. He was crowned to be God for a while, for his sacrifice. sounds like a way to spite satan imo. but eventually we'll see Jesus/The Word of God giving everything back to YHVH himself so that God may be all in all.

I totally agree with your post.

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Quote (t8 @ July 18 2010,20:14)

For what it is worth, the 2nd century Fathers as they are known believed that Jesus existed as the son of God before coming to this world, (as far as I know). They seem to acknowledge that he pre-existed as the son, but are also careful to point out that God is the greatest and Most High.

Thanks t8. There is a lot of confusion around this area, I accept that.

When God started teaching me about the Word of God, He taught it to me this way. It took a bit of getting my head around.

There was the Almighty. The Almighty spoke and His Word went forth to create and the Spirit hovered to sustain.

It's like the Word was what He spoke prophetically and the Word had a life of its own to create that which He was sent to do.

The Spirit on the other hand was likened to the breath from the nostrils, once again going forth from the Father to do His bidding, but having a life of His own as with the Word, yet neither is seperate from the Almighty.

The Word, who was with God and was God, was begotten of God when He was born of Mary. Two things happened then, the Word became flesh and the Almighty became a Father.

When you compare us and God, remembering that we are made in His likeness, it is not hard to see that both God and us are made up of three parts. Each part is individually identifiable, but each part makes up the One. The Father has authority over the Holy Spirit and the Son in much the same way that our soul has authority over our body and spirit.

[Oxy]

I asked God to explain it to me. This is what He told me. We are made in the likeness of God, a three part being, body, soul and spirit. God is also a three part being, obviously not exactly the same, but the similarities are quite amazing.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,20:00)

Hi OXY, God had a son. YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD

Yeah, I think I had that pretty well sussed back in 1978

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