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the church people die for they do not have the divine ability to say NO! to their fallen natures.

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yeS that is true too.

this body of death is the habitation FOR the carnal mind.
messiah did not seem to have this body, therefore HE IS THE LIFE, and the master over all death~!

was his body a ''body of death?''
ofcourse not
did you see the real Messiah described in Math 17 ? on the MT of transfiguration! was this ''the body of death''?

ofcourse not.

yahushua has the body of the 2 nd adam – the life in the Spirit fills HIM, with the fullness of the power of God called [Christ]

a believer is taught this by the Holy Spirit!
how to put off the perishing and put on the imperishable! here and now for it is far too late in the grave for corruption has been in evidence,

now consider please
the verses about
GOING ON INTO PERFECTION…. here and now
do u think perfection dies from sin and death?
or
do you think a believer has actually 'gone into perfection'' to become the Hope of Glory?

again
A believer dies TO sin [by picking up their cross daily and being metamorphoo-ed here on earth
or
the religious DIE ''''ÍN'''''' sin and the truth never has found a home within their lives otherwise they would be FREE from the fallen nature.

for another thought.

did you ever notice that Enoch ''walked with God'' and again it is noted ''he was not, for he was ''WELL PLEASING''

his transformation/translation was all because by faith Enoch became WELL PLEASING.

infact these same words are used by father over His dear Son on the mt. of transfiruration that day.

well pleasing and transfiguration go together….. not for the tomb but FOR THE DISPLAYING OF DIVINE LIFE..

how how good is that – i do hope this has edified your heart amen
pray to be this WELL PLEASING. AMEN

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,17:05)

Hi ND, Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The waters of life go beyond the grave where our flesh would be an impediment. Fear of death replaced by joy and irrepressible hope. Should the caterpillar not become a butterfly?

flesh and blood cannot inherit.
yes,
but
what is flesh and blood? – IT IS typed as an unregenerated man under the fallen nature of Adam

Messiah Yahushua was flesh and blood, yet HE IS, the Kingdom Life.
It all depends on how to the Holy Spirit opens up a believer's understanding u see.
consider

Flesh and Blood was IN Christ YET HE STILL WALKED IN THE FULLNESS OF THE SPIRIT…. even in a human body.
He walked in LIFE IN THE SPIRIT,-the Holy Spirit teaches a Believer how to do this too.
Plus!!!!
that is the position of His Sons -WALKING IN THE SPIRIT OF LIFE.

LIFE IN THE SPIRIT, stops vanity from working u see,
Yahushua was more than happy to reveal Himself to eye witnesses, walking on earth in as a perfected person
See Math 17 for details of the Transfiguration

SEE the change?
here is metamorphoo on earth.
He had entered into REAL LIFE…rather than the sham/illusion of this material world under vanity.

now HE was not dead was He?

see !one does not have to die in sin and rot in their grave to ''go to heaven'' hey?
if they are dead in sin, and paid for it by their death- why would they find this heaven of yours enjoyable?
they would hate it.
They were unable to obey [John 14 v 20] here, what different would their death make….some majic fairy godmaother wand thingy appears and swissssh sin no more cuz u died.
NO way Hosea.

HEAVEN IS RIGHT HERE – it is the realm of Throne Rulership and not a location. It is to be BORN INTO according to the NT

people in their graves got there from sin.
The bible is sincere on this point of reaping and sowing.

the flesh of the perfect Christ is never an impediment.
the flesh of the religious carnalminded is.

that is the difference.

how can one die…when a believer is asked [here on earth -today and now] TO GO ON

INTO

PERFECTION??

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Zao -John 11 v 24-25-26

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the Holy Spirit will direct our eye to meanings.

LET our eye be directed to

LIFE
THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD.
Found in John 11 v 25-26

the ''life'' word Zao.

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1) to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead) 2) to enjoy real life a) to have true life and worthy of the name b) active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of God 3) to live i.e. pass life, in the manner of the living and acting a) of mortals or character 4) living water, having vital power in itself and exerting the same upon the soul 5) metaph. to be in full vigour a) to be fresh, strong, efficient, b) as adj. active, powerful, efficacious

lets have a little bow-peep here to discover
ummmm
a secret hidden away that can hardly be seen, except by the revealing of the Holy Spirit – so with thanks i say a sweet amen~

here we go…
drum roll.
active, blessed,
endless in the kingdom of God

endless…..endless life in the Kingdom of God.
Who has endless life ?
wow this is so good i love revelations.  

ok

Heb 7 tells us all about this endless life priesthood… and this endless form of LIFE stems from the conversation between Martha and Yahushua at He raising of Lazarus

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Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

see also
THIS BELIEVER'S LIFE…. is living water. [imagine that]

These believers never run out of the BREATH OF LIFE…..THEY ARE ALWAYS BREATHING IN THE AIR OF LIFE.

hang on i gota write this again to absorb it…..it is like some divine melody i am hearing,

These believers never run out of the BREATH OF LIFE…..THEY ARE ALWAYS BREATHING IN THE AIR OF LIFE.

is THAT good or is that good~!

this world never runs out of air…..nowhere is there ever a shortage of air, nor does a believer, redeemed into the priesthood of ENDLESS LIFE.

wow.~! for ZAO~!

now for another description.

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to have true life and worthy of the name see that~! TRUE LIFE see that~ worthy of the name – name means the full character of …wow…. to be worthy of the full character of…. to be worthy of the full character – is – worthy of the fullness of Christ. ok worthy of this? here it all is summed up – A BELIEVER IS WORTHY OF

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The doctrine which I teach is that which I am. I am It and It is I.”

– made into the same Image, amen
By actively believing IN him and his work, a believer becomes LIKE HIM ~!
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Saints ALIVE~!
''what is going to work'' = teamwork?

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Did Yahushua Messiah eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil?

or

did He eat from the Tree of Life?

Nick
if the tree of Life abides in the Sons of God, how can they die physically?

u see we have all been brainwashed by some church belief to have ''death'' as a friend, when infact it is called an enemy.
not only that thru ignorance we all have made a ''covenant' with death.
see
Isa 28 v 15

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

we have been lazy, and taken other's advice, rather than studied for ourselves to be approved.

approved for what?

to be the same of being on earth as the Messiah is.
Earth is for people.
Adam blew it
Messiah did not.

we can be the 'people of adam who die in sin''
we can be a quickened spirit and made  ALIVE FROM THE DEAD, in the Power of The Everlasting Father.

everlasting Father has evelasting children.
not dead in sin….with their wages paid out in faull via their tomb.

think about it.

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David was in another dispensation.
prior the New Covenant~!

Christ – the power of The Everlasting Father is now available to a Believer.

The life ''IN”” Yahushua the Man, did not allow Him to die naturally, so let us never forget MESSIAH Yahushua gave up HIS LIFE, as a sacrifice.
His NAME is ''THE'' LIFE… and death surrended up its power to HIM.

Here is my Saviour revealed.

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The doctrine which I teach is that which I am. I am It and It is I.”

He is OUR DOCTRINE
HE IS OUR BELIEF SYSTEM
HE IS OUR FREEDOM IN TRUTH
HE IS OUR LIFE

all what He professes to be A BELIEVER can attain too. ''today as we Hear his voice of FOLLOW ME''~!

The good-shepherd has arrived to take care of His sheep- all parts of them, here on earth.

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The Lord is MY Shepherd I shall not want – becomes a legal covenant that THE SHEPHERD, CARES FOR HIS SHEEP. The Shepherd is legally obligated to the sheep, for duty of care, attention, + to act in a divine standard towards His sheep. HENCE….Life Abounds with His LIFE ABUNDANT [John 10 v 10]

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i dont wish to get into some vast impossible discussion Ok
[as everyone walks in the light they have been given.]
therefore
the bible is for the maturing of the spiritual man within not for the carnally religious~!

therefore,

the tent is the old man and its nature….now ask
WHERE IS HEAVEN?

THE BIBLE is perfect  for the Believer's growing into the Maturity of Christ, So the idea that we have to wait for the kingdom until we die is  definately off~!

where is this heaven?

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“Jesus said “the Kingdom of God is within you” Luke 17 v 20-21″

and UNLESS one is BORN AGAIN, one cannot ''see'' this realm~!

He did not say Lo it is here or there for our observation [a location] but heaven is the realm of The Everlasting Father.

The Believer's Body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
does the holy Spirit contain 'death''…. or would the indwelling Holy Spirit take time to teach His pupil, how to overcome the last enemy called death here and now?
The  indwelling Holy Spirit, wages against this last enemy.
This is the metamorphoo mentioned – the transformed or the renewing of a Believer's mind.
That religious carnal mind reasonings is what kills us all.
This believer's transformation and the resurrection to life is the very heart of The Goodnews.

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Romans 8:9 – But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:10 – And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8:11 – But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

now if the body is a tent….as posted by yourself

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It seems pretty clear that the body is the tent.

why is he now telling ''our body is dead''?

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Going To Heaven When You Die Is Not Bible ~!

A Believer's body is to be  QUICKENED by the divine  indwelling Spirit ~!  meaning~! containing the same life force and power as Yahushua lived out from.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,13:43)

Hi ND, You must reconcile the two statements of Paul. One scripture does not make a good doctrine. Two opposing ones should cause a rethink.

the Gospel Paul preached and taught without shame was/is
2 tim. 1 v 10.
THAT IS HIS CORE message.

the object is to believe in eternal life now being made available on earth by a Believer as per. 11 John 24-25-26 where the 2 ways are contrasted by Yahushua Himself.
Marth's way
The Saviour's way.

the 'christian' church has gone Martha's way and has dismissed Yahushua's way [John 11 v 25-26]as impossible nonsense~!

the ''tent'' is Paul's old man~!
to put this off is to be ''with Christ'' meaning walking in the  FULLNESS OF THE SPIRIT~!

the ''tent'' of the old man = faulty Adam, sin and death, has to be put off here and now. Corruption [bondage to sin and death] as to be put off, and incorruption [freedom, liberty, salvation, saved] is to be put on here and now~!

sins kills people
they are defiled by sin~!

However the ''quickened life '' Yahushua introduced robs sin of all its destroying affects. SEE THAT IS THE TRUTH OF THE GOODNEWS.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,12:40)

Hi ND, So Paul spoke with a forked tongue? Would you believe only some of what he said?

no~!
Why? would u say that to me!
I would never say that back to you~! i would consider your responses and deal with it with courtesy.

I have placed 2 tim 1 v 9-10 there to reconsider THE  core GOSPEL as Paul taught and preeached and was not ashamed to do so.

I believe
it is the church's failed  understanding of a mystery that is perhaps forked….notice it is a MYSTERY and a mystery remains  so till it is revealed.
[The revealtion comes from John 11 v 24-25-26]

why not just take the time to re-read again the word meaning of ''we''  please, it makes it clearer.  

That way we ''get''' the revelation of this Mystery.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,10:49)

Hi ND, Because the abolishment of death is a prophecy. We must be clothed from above. 1Cor 15 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

ummm… we could pass it off as a prophecy yes i agree, but you see it was an appointed Core message,[ 2 tim 1 v 10] that Paul taught and preached and NOT a prophecy as such.
He was NOT ashamed to preach this either.

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''we'' shall not all sleep.'' BY Allen Brown This is an informational post concerning the “we” of 1 Corinthians 15:51: Quote Behold, I relate to you a mystery, we all shall not be made to sleep, but we all shall be transformed. the revelation is The personal pronoun ''we'' does not exist by itself in the Greek text as it appears to do so in our various English translations. The ''we'' in the Greek text is contained in the form of the Greek verb which is used. Both of the latter verbs in the above verse are passive. They are both 1st person plural (this tells us to translate the verb with a we), and both are future tense. Here is what the future tense conveys in the Greek language: Quote: The use of the Future Indicative in the Greek denotes that the action is expected to take place in future time. The context decides whether the state of the action is to be regarded as simple or progressive. ———————————————————– If Paul was only speaking of a future generation, then it was improper for him to include himself and the Corinthians in this discussion of all those being made to fall asleep by using the 1st person plural. A future generation would have been better indicated by the 3rd person plural, i.e. they all shall not be made to fall asleep. By using the 1st person plural, Paul is including himself and those to whom his letter is addressed as being amongst those who may or may not be made to sleep future to the writing of his letter. It is the same for those who ultimately are transformed because they were not made to fall asleep. In verse 52, Paul again uses the 1st person plural future passive form of the Greek verb, allasso. Only this time Paul does use the 1st person plural personal pronoun to go with the Greek verb. This pronoun is added for emphasis so that the we is definitely understood and emphasized! What is the logic of the mystery here? There is nothing mysterious about everyone growing old and dying, is there? However, it is indeed mysterious if Paul is saying that some of the Believers of the 1st Century might indeed live until the transformation. That would make some of them about 2000 years old right now, wouldn't it? It is almost as if this was written for them and for us: Quote: Habakkuk 1:5 5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you…………………..we shall not die (verse 12).

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is ''his tent'' his OLD MAN~!
WHY preach on  the abolishment of death and be apointed to do so, then contradict himself by longing to die.

that is an oxymoron – in grammar that is~!

saying one thing then denying it by saying another thing.

therefore THE GOSPEL paul preached and taught and was appointed to do as with divine authority is the CORE message.

also

a believer is asked to put off their mortal and put on immortality here today on earth not at some future date.

i do believe it is all very straight forewards to understand, even a small child could do so.

Paul was introducing a NEW WAY OF LIFE and cancelling out the old man Adam who could not be saved,

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thank you for your replies… I read them and then i wondered this~! why do we have a bible when we dont do as it says?
why do we twist the meanings and make it say something else?

SO~! basically the point is we take no notice of what Paul as preaching and teaching.

2 tim 1 v 10.

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2Ti 1:9  Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 2Ti 1:10  But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 2Ti 1:11  Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

this apointed man taught that
1] Yahuahua Messiah [the anointed Son of God] appeared as our saviour, to save the people from the curse of sin and death originated by Adam and abolished death the rebellion and separation of the people from their Father and so by doing this act  revealed immortality.

this is the Gospel.~!

who told us how to think?
What system changed this Gospel?
who would have the most to gain from denying the putting off of mortal and putting on immortal, here and now.?

the devil.

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