Hi Berean,

You said this:

AND WHAT A SON AND SERVANT!

That “servant” you write of is called Yahweh at times and served with creating the universe, is that what you believe?

Blessings, LU

Proclaimer,

Here is what I found about the definition of “proper” in the KJV dictionary:

KJV Dictionary Definition: proper
proper
PROP’ER, a. L. proprius, supposed to be allied to prope, near.

1. Peculiar; naturally or essentially belonging to a person or thing; not common. That is not proper, which is common to many. Every animal has his…

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Thanks Proclaimer, I agree with most of what you said. I’m not sure if you agree with what Justin Martyr said here:

Jesus Christ is the only proper Son who has been begotten by God, being His Word and first-begotten.

Do you agree that Jesus is the only proper Son and all other beings called “sons” are not proper sons but instead created sons? And…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Christ himself blinds their minds so they can’t see the light that displays his own glory?  Does that really make any sense to you?

John 12:40“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

According to you, Mike,…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked about John 10:33 and that it should be translated as “a god.” My answer is no, it is translated as “God” and not “a god” as it should be because of what it says in this verse:

John 5:18

For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God…

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Mike,

You said:

But you’ll have to concede that every single one of those things that “existed” before they passed through the birth canal DIDN’T exist before their pre-birth “existence”.

Did the Son exist before Mary conceived? You claim that the Son existed at the beginning of creation before Mary ever conceived. So, there is that…also…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Fourth time reposted for your convenience, please answer:

Proclaimer,

You said:

You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, liter…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

If it was a matter of just that ONE “possessed/created” word, you might have a valid argument.  But that word is immediately followed up by three other words from Jesus himself that DEMAND a meaning of “created” for the first word.

Really???  I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mount…[Read more]

Mike,

You have asked this multiple times:

KATHI, DOES YOUR GOD AND CREATOR HAVE A SON NAMED JESUS OR NOT?

The Father and the Son are the creator. The Father has a son named Jesus. The Father together with His Son are the creator. They are my God.

Mike,

You said:

And since Jesus’s title “only begotten son of God” had nothing to do with him being brought into existence before the world began, there is nothing in the entirety of scripture to suggest that the manner in which Jesus was brought into existence is any different than the way God’s other heavenly sons were brought into existen…

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Mike,

You said:

On the other hand, we know for a fact that God has given authority over all the kingdoms of the world to Satan.  (Luke 4:6)

That was satan’s claim, he was lying.

Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers:

The notion that any such delegated sovereignty had been assigned to the Tempter, either before or after his fall from his…

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Mike,

You regarding this:

Mike:  But first, one simple question that should lay it all out in the open for all to see…

1.  KATHI, WHO EXACTLY IS THE “GOD” THAT YOU WORSHIP AND SERVE AS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN, EARTH, SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM?

LU:  YAHWEH, THE GOD OF GODS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.

Mike:  2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the Go…

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Mike,

You said:

Every heavenly son of God is “God’s own son”.

Please provide scriptures that call any son an only begotten Son of God.

 You said:

None of us will EVER become a part of Jesus OR a part of his and our God, Yahweh.

Wrong!

1 Cor 12 27Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it.

Also, there is no scripture that clearly…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Third time reposted for your convenience, please answer:

Proclaimer,

You said:

You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, liter…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

reposted for your convenience, please answer:

Proclaimer,

You said:

You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, literal offsp…[Read more]

Amen, Berean!

May God bless you with increased understanding as you continue to seek the Father and the Son and their Spirit!!

LU

Thank you Berean, you understand. Jesus is a son of God in the highest, truest sense begotten before the ages. He is unique as a son compared to any other entity that has been identified as a son of God in some other manner. He is the only begotten Son of God as Jesus, Himself tells us in John 3:16:

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Satan, of course.  Just like every single commentator on this page (including Barnes and Gill) believes.

Do they also believe that Jesus was created?

See how you want to make another ridiculous point.

Do you think that the true Light that entered the world has some people blinded?

Mike,

You asked:

 Yes or No, please.

Yes. Not the same part though. There is the “them” part and the “us” part. The Father and Son are of the “US” and the followers of Christ are to be part of the “them.”

There is an “us” and a “them”…a “we” and a “they.” There will always be an “us” and a “them.” Those in the “US” group are desiring to be a…[Read more]

Mike,

This is also a ridiculous question of yours:

You asked:

 Who is right, Kathi?  Proclaimer or the Bible?

The answer has nothing to do with us both having the same concern about your teaching.  If we have different views of what passage abc means, it is ridiculous to extrapolate that as a reason we couldn’t both be concerned about what yo…[Read more]