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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 2 years, 3 months ago

    Jodi,

    Believers would not be named YHVH anymore than the members of Israel all being named Israel. They are of Israel and also called Israelites.

    Also, many sons have the first name of their father but not all the sons of that father are given the first name of the father.

    Hence, Jesus was given the name of His Father…YHVH. There is no…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 2 years, 3 months ago

    Hi Jodi,

    I saw that you still claim that Matthew 1’s genealogy says that Joseph is the biological father of Jesus. You have been shown otherwise quite a while ago that the geneology list is pointing to Mary (who Joseph is the husband to),  that gave birth to Jesus. The “of whom” is written in the feminine gender, NOT the masculine gender as it…[Read more]

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    Jodi, have I answered your questions? It has been a while and I don’t believe that you have specifically addressed me with a follow-up question. If I’m wrong please re-post.

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    Hello Proclaimer,

    Second time posted:

    You said: The Son was begotten by God directly.

    What type of being is the Father and the Son according to your understanding? Are they the same type of being or different? Please explain your answer.

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    So then every single reference to the Most High in the entire Bible using either “God” or “Yahweh” could be referring to the Father alone, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Son?  And then that would be why they always refer to “God” and “Yahweh” as a He?

    Yes, it “could be” referring to the Father, however in all o…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Kathi, can you provide a single verse that refers to the Most High using either “God” or “Yahweh” where it MUST BE either referring to the Son or to the Unity of both of them?  (In other words, it is explicitly spelled out for us.)

    Heb 1:8 But about the Son He says:

    “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,

    and justice is…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    Here are some names Yahweh was called in the OT…

    Would you consider any of those a matter of Yahweh changing His name to a different name?

    You copy a list of names (plural) and then not see that each of those names are different and new to the others?

    YHVH our Righteousness became a new name for the Son. He was not Y…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    LU:  Mike,

    You said:

    In the Bible, Jesus is called…

    1.  Son of God.

    2.  Only begotten son of God.

    3.  Servant of God.

    4.  Priest of God.

    5.  Holy one of God.

    6.  Word of God.

    7.  Anointed one of God.

    8.  Messenger of God.

    9.  Sacrificial lamb of God.

    10.  Prophet of God.

    I call Jesus all of those things…

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    LU:  I think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Yahweh that had been seen by Abraham and Jacob, for instance.

    Mike:

    Exodus 33… 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass before you,” Yahweh replied, “and I will proclaim My name—Yahweh—in your presence…” 20But He added, “You cannot see My face, for no man can…

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Kathi, you tell us that the word “God” (in reference to the Most High) describes a combo of two persons who make up one God, right?

    What then does it mean when Jesus calls the Father “my God”?

    Jesus certainly isn’t describing a combo of two persons, right?  So what does the word “God” (in reference to the Most High) mean whe…

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    Oh my this has been a busy place today :). I guess I’m gonna have to search for questions for me to answer, I finally have some time this evening to spend here. Anybody want to point me to their toughest?? Thanks LU

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    Gene,

    Jesus is, to those who believe in Him, our God and Savior. I know that you cannot see this. Many can.

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    Mike,

    Regarding this:

    LU:  He had His Father’s name of Yahveh in the OT so it would not be a new name for the Son.

    He did?

    Jeremiah 23:6… In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: Yahweh Our Righteousness.

    The name YHVH is changed to YHVH Our Righteousness. The Son is YHVH as…[Read more]

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    To all,

    Philippians 2:6 who, though he existed in the form of God,

    did not regard equality with God

    as something to be grasped,

    NET Notes:

    The Greek term translated form indicates a correspondence with reality. Thus the meaning of this phrase is that Christ was truly God.

    The Son was in the “form” of God before the incarnation, btw.

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    Mike,

    You said:

    In the Bible, Jesus is called…

    1.  Son of God.

    2.  Only begotten son of God.

    3.  Servant of God.

    4.  Priest of God.

    5.  Holy one of God.

    6.  Word of God.

    7.  Anointed one of God.

    8.  Messenger of God.

    9.  Sacrificial lamb of God.

    10.  Prophet of God.

    I call Jesus all of those things because the scriptures call Jesus…

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Just for verification… you think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be their own God, Yahweh, whom no man had ever seen (John 1:18)?

    I think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Yahweh that had been seen by Abraham and Jacob, for instance.

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    Berean,

    You said:

    Conclusion :

    FATHER IS GOOD

    The SON IS GOOD

    Absolutely Berean, AMEN!

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    Hi Proclaimer,

    Thanks for your reply.

    You said: The Son was begotten by God directly.

    What type of being is the Father and the Son according to your understanding? Are they the same type of being or different? Please explain your answer.

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    Mike,

    You said:

     Kathi.  Your interpretation of the guy flattering Jesus doesn’t allow for the latter part of Jesus’ statement…

    Mark 10:18… “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.”

    Can anyone be righteous/good if God isn’t number one in his life? The rich young ruler had his possessions above God. That was…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    What do you think now, after including Phil 2:9?

    He had His Father’s name of Yahveh in the OT so it would not be a new name for the Son. Yahveh our Righteousness is a new name though since He became our righteousness at the cross.

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