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Lightenup replied to the topic Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago
Jesus mentions “His” kingdom here Gene:
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, My attendants would fight that I might not be betrayed to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
Yes, John calls Jesus the only begotten Son of God in John 3:16. Go on…
Yes, I could call Jesus my God and Savior, but I don’t. A god is an entity conceived of as having power over nature and the affairs of man… an entity that can help you and protect you from those trying to hurt you. Jesus clearly fits that Biblical descript…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
Who is El Elyon or El Shaddai ?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Does the fact that Jesus (in Rev 17:44), Nebuchadnezzar (in Daniel 2:37), and Artaxerxes (in Ezra 7:12) are all called King of kings NECESSARILY mean that they are part of some “Unity Entity” comprised of three persons? Yes or No?
No
Does the fact that Yahweh (in Deut 10:17) and Jesus (in Rev 17:14) are both called the Lord of l…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
So your argument that Jesus came to earth to say, “Hey, btw, your God’s name is Yahweh” is ridiculous,
That is not my argument. Jesus is saying that the God, that is the God of Israel, that specific God who’s name is YHVH, is His biological Father, He is YHVH’s only begotten Son and that His Father gave Him His name, YHVH.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Kathi, do you REALLY believe that “their belly is their belly” is the the correct meaning? REALLY? Come on, now.
No, I believe that their god is their belly and their belly is their god.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
the point is that EVERYONE knew that Jesus was referring to Yahweh as both his own God and heavenly Father and our God and heavenly Father.
They knew it after He mentioned it for sure.
For example…in this passage Jesus kept talking about “my Father” this and “My Father” that, referring to God and the Pharisees basically…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Hi Mike,
You said:
Unfortunately, one of us is apparently oblivious to the FACT that the Son OF God cannot very well BE the very God that he is the Son OF – and therefore, if the son of God in question is a god at all, he must NECESSARILY be a DIFFERENT god.
The Son of God can very well be a member of a unity that consists of a Father and a Son.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked: Do they work, Kathi?
Yes that works for that verse. I gotta go do some work. Nice chatting.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike, I think that Jesus made known to his followers what his Father’s name is by claiming that Yahweh was his father, like I said.
Do you understand that the one that Jesus refers to as his own father when talking to his followers, is Yahweh?
If so, how do you know?
Jesus’ teaching was all about the God in heaven who was the God of Abraham,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said: Yes, exactly?
Let’s not pretend that I haven’t posted those verses many times as the foundation of my understanding. The problem is not that I don’t use words right out of the Bible translation, it is that one of us believes that Jesus is the literal and only Son of God who is one with his Father as the Head over all creation.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Btw, I had asked you quite a while ago to DEFINE the word “god” in Phil 3:19.
In Phil 3:19 god =belly or physical appetite for food.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
And no, “el” is not “one of God’s literal names”. El means god, and god is a title, not a literal personal name.
It is often used as a name for Yahweh. It also can be used as a title.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Really? In what NT scripture can I read this literal name of God as Jesus was making it known to his followers?
Whenever Jesus referred to Yahweh as his father, he identifies his father’s name to his followers. For instance, when he was 12 years old and stayed behind from the caravan and was found teaching in the temple, Jesus…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
Paul would give the same answer.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked: Why not just teach your understanding using terminology that IS in the Bible?
You mean like this:
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.
Rev 17:14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
Yes, John calls Jesus the only begotten Son of God in John 3:16.
Very good. I call Jesus the only begotten Son of God too. Therefore all other sons of God are not begotten in the manner in which Jesus was. Agree?
Yes, I could call Jesus my God and Savior, but I don’t.
Whose God and Savior is He besides Peter’s?
A god is an en…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Kathi, do YOU think the word “name” in John 17:26 refers to God’s literal name?
Yes.
I already answered the second question in that post, btw.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
“Math quiz”
#1. c
#2. none of the above, there is one God and one Lord.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
You said:
That isn’t “clarification”, Kathi… it’s a complete re-write of what the verse actually teaches.
I’m not rewriting a verse, I’m summing up several Biblical concepts.
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