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Some how I got deleted from this website. Way back, I was registered as “Kupchuk”, I guess I forgot my password or something else, so I reregistered as “chosenone”. This worked fine for some time, but somehow I got deregistered again, I thought I may have been barred from this website as I could not access the 'Forum”, I didn't recieve any warnings. So now I have reregistered again, but My test posts come up with “Kupchuk”. I would like to see my posts return to my previous “ChosenOne”, but I don't know how to do that. Could you help me ?

Jerry.

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Testing.

Jerry.

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Nick.
But that is not part of the “One eternal gospel for all” that you teach! …?

Blessings.

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Quote (942767 @ Nov. 09 2008,09:48)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 09 2008,05:45) EP…..I do agree with your post on Free Will, and Predestination, and GOD”S GRACE saving Us. God's SOVEREIGNTY  is a issue, a grate issue in all Christianity Today. He is sovereign over all things including our salvation. He saves whomsoever He will and Hardens whomsoever He will. Our Salvation is truly a work of GOD ALONE> Understanding a predetermined Salvation shuts all mouths, leaving no room to boast. peace to you and yours…………………….gene Hi Gene: And not understanding God's plan for the salvation humanity and the fact that He has seen every thing from the beginning to the end including who will believe and be saved, leads to false teachings.  The central message of salvation is: Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. God Bless

Matt.15:24 …Now He (Jesus), answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Ro.15:8 … For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.

Ro.15:16 …for me (Paul) to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.

We must “correctly cut the word of truth”. (2Tim.2:15)

Quoting scripture that was to the “Jews”, is not the ” central message of salvation” for all.

Blessings.

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I missed the book of the scripture in this last paragraph, it is 1Cor.15:25-28.

Blessings.

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Jesus is the “Alpha and the Omega”.

Rev.1:5-8 …To Him Who is loving us and looses us from our sins by His blood
6 and makes us a kingdom and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and might for the eons of the eons! Amen!
7 Lo! He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall be seeing Him-those, also, who stab Him-and all the tribes of the land shall be grieving over Him. Yea! Amen!
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” is saying the Lord God, Who is and Who was and Who is coming, the Almighty.

I am the Alpha …'Now this is saying the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, and God's Creative Original: (Rev.1:14)
… for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren. (Ro.3:29)

Jesus was Gods' original creation, first thing God created. All else was created by Jesus through the power of God.

…and the Omega … 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

When Jesus' reign is finished, He hands over the kingdom to the Father (God). This is the 'consummation' of creation. IMO.

Blessings.

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Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 04 2008,19:10)

Hi  brother 942767, Thanks for your response I agree with you that we have only the influenced will. But I asked you here many times whether we really have a 'free will' ? I think we are wasting our time by arguing this topic for so many days and months without coming to a conclusion. Brother Gene, Tim, Mandy and my self we believe we don't have real free will but only the influenced will where as you and others believe we certainly have free will. What is the final outcome of this debate…only ZERO. Finally I conclude that God is the potter and I'm the clay let my maker mould me as per His wish and will. His sovereign will may be fulfilled in our lives not our own so called free will. Thanks and blessings Adam

Hi Adam.
Add me to your list that believe we do not have “free will”.
Scripture says, in Eph.1:9-11 …9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,

If God is operating ALL in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL, how can our so-called “free will” not follow His?

Blessings.

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Hi 942767.
May I respond to this quote?
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Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

I believe that Matt.15:24 …24 Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Plainly saying that Jesus teachings was for the Jews, and only them. And the verses you quote, Mar16:15 was for His deciples.

The same message is in Matt.28:19 …Going, then, disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Does this not conflict with Matt.10:5-6 …5 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

These two scriptures appear to be in conflict, one saying 'go into the nations', while the other says not to! Also note that His (Jesus)deciples never did go to the “nations”.
The reason is that they (Jews) did not accept Jesus as their “Messiah”, had they accepted Him, this command of His (Jesus) would have been realised, and they (His deciples) would have completed this request.

Much confusion would be eliminated by “correctly cutting the word of truth”. (2Tim.2:15.)
Ro.15:8 …For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.
Ro.15:16 …because of the grace being given to me from God,
16 for me (Paul) to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations,

Blessings.

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Hi Nick, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. We'll find out when we will be with the Lord.
Bye for now, Jerry.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,02:21)

Quote (Kupchuk @ Mar. 20 2007,23:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,06:53) Hi Jerry, What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire. Why would Jesus show us Lk 16? Hi Nick, sorry to be so late answering, we must be in very different time zones, I went to bed right after my last letter.     I'm not sure which part of Lk. 16 you were refering to.  You were asking about satan, the beast, and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire?       I'm not sure how to answer, pehaps I can make these comments…Isaiah 46:10…All My council shall be confirmed,                                    and all My desire will I do.                          46:11…Indeed, I speak! indeed I will bring                                     it about! This should make it quite clear that God can and will do anything He wants to. Isaiah 54:16…And I, I created the ruiner to destroy. This says that God created satan, Proverbs 16:14…Yahweh has made everthing for its own pertinet end, Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. This says that God makes the wicked. It is so true when the scriptures say, ALL IS OF GOD. You see, everything is predestined Eph.1:11 …being designated beforehand according to the pupose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the councel of His will. All is like a play, God is the author, we are the actors.  We do not have 'free will' like orthodoxy preaches, but Gods will is done.  I think I've said enough for now, but if you will please look at the work of “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, they have a websight “Concordant.org” which has an excellent source of information that I believe is the truth regarding God's Word.     Blessings,  Jerry. Hi kc, You ask about Lk 16 23″In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24″And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.' 25″But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' 27″And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house– 28for I have five brothers–in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' So this is not the lake of fire but only the place of waiting , Hades, which is later thrown into the lake. Even this does not look like a barrow full of laughs. But then you say all are forgiven… Voila!

The message was based on the Lord's ressurection from the dead. Those recieving the five-fold testamony correspond to the five brethern. Yet, even as the Lord fortold, they did not as a nation, repent. Some of their sufferings, until the terrible tragedy of the siege of Jerusalem, are recounted by Josephus. To this very day the Jew is being tormented in the flames of national hatred. But the time of thier restoration is drawing near (Ro.11) But before their torment ceases it will be much intensified in the terror of the greatest of all Jewish persecutions.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,06:53)

Hi Jerry, What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire. Why would Jesus show us Lk 16?

Hi Nick, sorry to be so late answering, we must be in very different time zones, I went to bed right after my last letter.
    I'm not sure which part of Lk. 16 you were refering to.  You were asking about satan, the beast, and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire?  
    I'm not sure how to answer, pehaps I can make these comments…Isaiah 46:10…All My council shall be confirmed,
                                   and all My desire will I do.
                         46:11…Indeed, I speak! indeed I will bring
                                    it about!
This should make it quite clear that God can and will do anything He wants to.
Isaiah 54:16…And I, I created the ruiner to destroy.
This says that God created satan,
Proverbs 16:14…Yahweh has made everthing for its own pertinet end, Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
This says that God makes the wicked.
It is so true when the scriptures say, ALL IS OF GOD.
You see, everything is predestined Eph.1:11 …being designated beforehand according to the pupose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the councel of His will. All is like a play, God is the author, we are the actors.  We do not have 'free will' like orthodoxy preaches, but Gods will is done.  I think I've said enough for now, but if you will please look at the work of “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, they have a websight “Concordant.org” which has an excellent source of information that I believe is the truth regarding God's Word.
    Blessings,  Jerry.

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Hi Nick,  The usefull end is that we will all know good.  The purpose of Gods plan is that mankind know how good and loving our creator is.  He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden with the intention that Adam and Eve would disobey and eat the fruit, thus enable them to know good.  All knowledge of good cannot be understood except that we experience evil.  We would never understand light unless we experience darkness, nor would we appreciate good health, wellness, unless we experienced sickness, knowlegde of natural law comes by experiencing opposites.  In Genesis3:22…Then the Lord God said, “behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil”.  Before that they only experienced good, they were in paradise, they never realised how good they had it, because there was nothing to compare it too.  God wants us to know good, the loving kindness He will bestow on us at the consummation, the completion of His creation.  Gods ways are not our ways, His ways are so far above ours we fail to see His plan.  When all is done, all will realise His blessings, He will be All in all.
    Blessings,  Jerry.

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Hi Nick, interesting scripture you quote.
Nicodemus did not understand the Lords words, he takes literally what is figurative. He should have known from the prophet Ezekiel that Isreal could not enter the kingdom without a new spirit (Eze.36:26). Spiritual regeneration is required and must be aquired to enter the kingdom. All that he concidered vital was physical relationship with the favoured nation. The evangel is always concerned with God and His Christ, never with man and his needs or effort. The new birth is not an evangel in any sense. It makes a demand he has no means of meeting. Man cannot accomplish spiritual regeneration, it is the sovereign work of God's Spirit.
Blessings, Jerry.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,01:50)

Hi Jerry, We meet with a lot of folk walking in very different directions all quoting scripture as they pass.

Hi Nick, I agree with you there, I enjoy exchanging opinions with you, I feel you are very zealous for God. I do realize that I am one of a very small group that believes in the salvation of all, never-the-less I can't help what I believe. I think that the scriptures, correctly cut, say that.

God Bless, Jerry.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,01:35)

Hi Jerry, A very popular man you will be with such a doctrine. Good luck.

Hi Nick, not my doctrine, I quoted from scripture.

Jerry.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,20:32)

Hi KC, Did Paul just minister to the dead gentiles or bring those who responded to the message to Christ and in the power of the Spirit them to life in Christ and then bandage their wounds and help them walk on the path? Watch him working in Athens in Acts 17 and see how many responded. Such is the way of God. God respects the will of men to choose to obey or reject His plan.

God respects the will of men? Now those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. (Ro.8;8)
…to choose? For God locks up ALL together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to ALL. Ro.11:32
Free will is part of the apostacy, as is the trinity.

Blessings, Jerry.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,06:13)

Hi kc, You realise that the book of Paul were written to the saved so when he says ALL he means all of them?

Ro.15:16…for me (Paul) to be the minister of Jesus Christ for the nations (gentiles), …

Paul was for the Nations, not just the “saved”.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,05:01)

Hi, How can any assume all are saved when we have this warning for those who have ticked the boxes in scripture? 1Cor 10 ” 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.”

1 Cor.15, 22…For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also,in Christ, shall all be vivified.
1Cor.15,28…Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. (not All in some, but ALL in all).
Concordant Literal New Testament.

Please look at web sight “Concordant.org”

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 09 2007,12:16)

Quote (david @ Mar. 09 2007,09:02) Quote The real truth is that until Jesus comes back, we will never know the real truth. So when Jesus said: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.” (John 8:31,32) he was only speaking to those of that time? Hi David, No, He was speaking to people of all times. I am only saying that there are obviously countless thousands of people who believe that they remain in his word, but seem to understand different truths. Do we not see that right here on this forum? Some of us will obviously only see the real truth when we can talk to Jesus face to face. You are welcome. Tim

Hi Tim. I was just reading your reply to David regarding the teachings of Jesus. You said He was speaking to people of all times. I think that this is the opinion of most, but scripture says that Jesus is still teaching under the old covenant, and this is to the Jews only, the chosen people. The rest, gentiles, where not included until after the death and resurection of Christ when He, the Messiah, was rejected by them agian. Only Pauls teachings are for the Gentiles, granted to him by Jesus.
See scripture Ro.15:8…Jesus for the the circumcision.
Ro.15:16…Paul for the Nations (Gentiles)
Aslo Mat.15:24…and He (Jesus) said, “I was not commisioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Isreal”.
I believe a lot of understanding of scripture would cleared up if this is understood. I'm not wanting to be critical of you, let me know your opinion of this please.
Blessings, Jerry.

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