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[Debra]

Agreed..

[Debra]

Hello 94
I agree with you on this…

God has given the man in a Christian the responsibility for teaching his family the Word of God

And I want nothing more than to be the wife God intended me to be.

but one cannot teach someone if they do not want to be taught.

I do want to be taught, I am teachable.

But if I through the scriptures show my wife what God has said, and she chooses not to do it I have fulfilled my responsibility.

Yes you have fulfilled your responsibility.

I can live my life as an example and pray for her, but if she chooses to go her own way then she is not under my covering.

Yes also true but, isn't a husband supposed to reflect the love of God to his wife and isn't that what she wants to submit too?

While it is true that a man who is striving to obey the Word of God can misinterpret the Word of God, the responsibility still lies with him to seek out the truth and to ask God to correct him if he is wrong. If you disagree with him, then you should go to him with respect telling him how you understand the particular or scripture or scriptures different than he, and then you should go to God in prayer asking God to show you what he intended by the scripture or scriptures in question so that you can walk in unity. Unless he is teaching something that is totally contrary to the Word of God, you should not rebel and go your own way, but submit until you get an answer from God.

As I said before…
The gap in our understanding isn't as wide as it was in the beginning. But if I don't agree with him on something am I to stay silent and except how he sees it,despite the way I do? We have to discuss these things to continue together as man and wife, we have come together in agreement on many Scriptures over the years due to not staying silent. .I know we're not always going to agree, but we grow more and more each time we do talk about what we disagree on.

Debra, I have made many mistakes, and I have had to learn some hard lessons, and so I am not condemning you, but offering you this advice out my love for you and your husband. You cannot have two heads in the same Christian household and have unity.

I don't feel condemed by you, I feel blessed that your sharing this with me, thank you brother.
We have only one head in our household and that's Jesus we both recognize we're just children still learning..we are growing but please your prayers would be appreciated.
God bless.

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[Debra]

Hi 94
Believe me, my husband and I do discuss issues regarding our sometime different understanding of what Scripture is saying, he knows my grans words, and also agrees that sometimes it's exactly that way, particularly when you check out the different denominations as we did for awhile when we were looking for a church. I remember we went to a church one Sunday on the Motorbike, so I was wearing my gear, when we walked in I got a shock everywomen even the young ones wore a head scarf and a long skirt or dress no makeup, they all looked the same. We were greeted kindly, the people smiled at us, the service was good, not on fire but meaty. After the service however, one of the men came up to us and introduced himself, then proceeded to tell me I was bringing shame to my husband by dressing in jeans and not covering my head.
We didn't go back there,
The gap in our understanding isn't as wide as it was in the beginning. But if I don't agree with him on something am I to stay silent and except how he sees it,despite the way I do? We have to discuss these things to continue together as man and wife, we have come together in agreement on many Scriptures over the years due to not staying silent. .I know we're not always going to agree, but we grow more and more each time we do talk about what we disagree on.
God bless

[Debra]

Was knowing when your birthday an important thing to know with the early Christians,did they celebrate birthdays every year or just on the day of the birth was their a celebration?
I don't know the answers does anybody else?
Hi not3in1
The blowing out the candles wasn't it, it's the hip hip hooray bit I was referring too, although the blowing out of the candle in pagan practices symbolized a completion of something cast out like a spell.
Although I'm not really interested in my birthday for no other reason other than I don't hold them special only the first one.in the flesh and the second one when God changed me, and you know I don't remember that date exactly only the month and year.

[Debra]

I did read it right? I almost can't believe it! Never thought I'd be excited for being rejected BUT your heart is RIGHT.

Thanks again!

Ken

[Debra]

Oops
I posted without putting the post I was responding too in a box..anyway I've come in at the end again forgive..but I read on from my post and what started out as a reasonable topic ending up somewhere else, this is happening so often and I find it hard to follow, are we still talking about birthday's?

[Debra]

And that's just the Birthday cake…
You will find pagan roots under every tradition if you look hard enough..
Birthdays come and go, sometimes there's a celebration, sometimes no one remembers but you..and that can be sad.
I personally don't celebrate my birthday outwardly but on my 30th, 40th and 50th my family wanted a celebration, birthdays like funerals can reconnect people again so I don't think there's a problem with acknowledging birthdays…except when it comes to blowing out the candles and everyone shouts..HIP HIP HOORAY..
I read somewhere that this is what was shouted from the people watching the Lions kill the Christians..

[Debra]

Well that's answered one question for me.

[Debra]

Hello Ken
Rejected?
We're not in sinc with our posting.
I just read your views and I totally agree with what you say, we aren't divided, after all that's great.
Now here's something I'm happy to have my armor on for…
If it were possible, given my lifestyle and the fact there is more than me to consider in my decision to have my home run the way I would be happy with including what we ate and how we worshiped as a family where we worshiped and with whom we associated, I would do it as OT as possible, I would live much simpler than I do, I would recognize all the Jewish customs that Jesus kept and keep them myself. I would have fellowship with other believers as often as we came together.
Unfortunately this is not my reality in the world today.
If I were to remove myself from my family and lived far away from them that I couldn't be drawn back, also impossible, then I might have a chance at creating my ideal life, the way I want it to be. But this is what God gave me to work with a family that aren't all saved.
I thank Jesus for making our relationship personal so that I can approach Him 24/7 with my issues.

Deb.

[Debra]

Quote (michaels @ Aug. 19 2007,16:19)

Are all traditions bad or pagen? I thought I would “bump” this topic and see if there is any interest in discussing what other's have found to be “pagen” in nature that we accept readily as TRADITION. I'd be interested to know sources of information claiming a tradition is pagen. Thanks. Not3in1 how about going to church? if GOD cant go into a building made with human hands,for our hands defile it.who is it they worship in these buildings.

Hello Michaels
Why can't God go into a building made with human hands?
This is new to me have I missed something.a
God is in my house, isn't he in yours?
A Church isn't the building a Church is a body of Believers gathered together be it outdoors or indoors God is present where His children gather in His Name.
God bless

[Debra]

Hello Kenrch
Have we just come from the Traditions thread or the other Sabbath thread started by Kejonn?
It's a bit scattered isn't it?
Just put my armor on too, got to be prepared for this topic it might turn out like the Trinity and dominate the forum, hope not, it would be great to do this without war in the trenches.
God bless you brother even though I don't agree with all you say, I do respect your views.

[Debra]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 19 2007,14:53)

Thought I'd start this thread. It seems every every thread lately turns to this subject so we need to redirect those ideas to this thread rather than high-jacking other threads. So start you revealing you thoughts, along with scriptural references, on when and how the Sabbath should be observed.

Hello Kejonn
We must have been posting at the same time. I just posted on the
Tradition thread, re this topic, what happens now?

Debra

[Debra]

Hello Kenrch

I think you will find there is a pagan god worshiped on every day of the week.
Satan always presents a counterfeit to everything God made Holy, this is why there is so much confusion within the churches, people are hoodwinked, pastors are deceived, we have to be discerning when it comes to what we except is from God,and even then there is division amongst us still, some say Saturday others from Friday till Sunday, and the mainstream Sunday.
Having said all that I as yet haven't set one full day aside just for God, I include Him in everyday. I know Kenrch you will probably show me scriptures that support what you believe, and I appreciate that someone else might present their evidence in Scripture to support what they believe, I appreciate that also.
Who is right and who is wrong? I don't know both are as strong as each other.
I'm still waiting for that revelation, so until I can be certain I can't just pick one for myself so I'll stay with how it is for me at the moment, I have been praying about this for months and will continue to pray.
God bless.

[Debra]

Quote (Laurel @ July 02 2007,18:32)

Pray that my best friend will come to know Y'shua as his personal Savior. Our friendship is on the line and I would miss him terribly if I had to say goodbye. Thank you ahead of time.

Hello Laurel
When my husband and I were married I was not a Christian and he was, but only just. He gave his life to the Lord 1 week before we said “I do”” He suddenly changed on me, all of a sudden I was the bad guy and so the war began..
I'm telling you this because I was where your friend may be at the moment so be patient. I think sometimes when a situation looks hopeless because it is not going the way we want it to, we have to be sure we're not asking God for what WE want. There are many who testify to how God changed their partner, when all that they had done failed. My husband is one of them.
All things are possible for God…4 years of my husband trying to make me see, 30secs for God to do it.
May God bless you, and I will pray that your friend draws near to God.

[Debra]

Hello chap
This might interest you, I think it's how it will be, satan is a charmer, the chief wolf in sheep's clothing..

God bless

[Debra]

Hey Many
I turned 55 this year, my friends think I'm crazy to have a myspace . But I was very surprised to find that there is an age group between 16-90, one of my friends is 72. most are over 45. Anyway sister your only as old as you feel, as the saying goes..
love to you
God bless.

[Debra]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 17 2007,18:48)

Are all traditions bad or pagen? I thought I would “bump” this topic and see if there is any interest in discussing what other's have found to be “pagen” in nature that we accept readily as TRADITION. I'd be interested to know sources of information claiming a tradition is pagen. Thanks.

Hi N31
When you look at traditions…things handed down, be it by family or church and when you have an understanding of what God is saying through His Word, it makes clear what is pagan tradition and what is God's Law. I think the tradition of Halloween although not real big in my country is an obvious not of God, nor Christmas or Easter for that matter, but remembering the great deceiver satan he will copy whatever God does.

[Debra]

Hi everyone

Not 3in1…I'm not a scholar of anything, I like things to be simple including my Beliefs. I've read many of your posts and I can so relate to you, and have learn't much also, being here on HN is fellowship for me, I don't attend any church either, nor am I looking to in the future, unless of course God has other plans for me.
Charity..my old friend, did you find me on myspace?
I have been hanging around here for a few days and have posted here and there, it's good to be back, everything is new again.
Hey everyone…
I was wondering what your opinions were on myspace.com.
I joined about 8 weeks ago and have fitted into the small community around me..(my friends) like a glove. My page has morphed from a Bob Marley, with reggae music profile to Jesus within that time. It for me is a way of fellowship just like HN.
I realize the dangers, and have already experienced the Atheist onslaught, it's amazing how many Atheists want to be friends of Christians. Anyway what do others think….

[Debra]

Hi Nick

Paul in Acts 20:25, called a special meeting of all the leaders of the Church, he told them that this would be the last time he would see them. He told them in v:28 To keep watch over themselves and all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit had made them overseers.”Be Shepherds over the Church of God, which He bought with His own blood.v:29″ I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock”
He told them that even from their own numbers men will rise and distort the Truth in order to draw away disciples after them
Then he gave them this sober warning: “For three years now, I've warned you night and day with tears about what I see coming to the Church after I'm gone. Now I want you to hear this warning one more time….
Paul's warnings weren't about the chaos going on outside the church doors. He was grieved about what he saw coming inside the walls of God's house. He warned the Ephesians about what he for- saw coming upon the ministry, upon Shepherds in particular. And those warnings were about destruction to come at the hands of deceivers who would flood into the church. Paul's mind was not on church growth, no he's deep heart cry was, “You Pastors you Shepherds take heed. Be on guard, for yourselves and for your people”. “The Holy Ghost hath made you overseers to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood”.
I posted a youtube on the Wolves in sheep's clothing thread take a look..
God bless.

[Debra]

Anyone want to continue this thread?

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