Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2010,10:48)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,09:57)Hi BD:Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world…[Read more]

Hi Mike:If Jesus was begotten prior to his birth from the virgin Mary, please show me by the scriptures that it is so, and please tell me how he is begotten, from Himself or from whom? How, Mike, how? I can't seem to get my mind to wrap around that at all.Love in Christ,Marty

Hi Mike:This is from the YLT:Quote Micah 5:2 (Young's Literal Translation) 2And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth of old, From the days of antiquity.The way I read this, it is not about pre-existence but it is about the prophetic…[Read more]

Hi Shimmer:You ask me:Quote Do I have that basic summary right ?Yes, basically that is my understanding of the scriptures.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2010,09:23)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,08:51)Hi Mike:No, it does not matter what I think if it is merely an opinion of mine which cannot be supported by scripture.Jesus' pre-existence is supported by many scriptures Marty.   Matthew said Micah 5:2 was a prophecy about Jesus.  How is that not a scripture about the o…[Read more]

Hi BD:Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned:…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2010,14:36)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,11:54)Hi Mike:You say:Quote  I personally believe the scriptures speak of three begettings of Jesus.  One before time as we know it, one as a human, and one as a “re-begetting” after he died.   It doesn't matter what you personally believe.  What do the scriptures say?  He was…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 19 2010,14:34)Marty I was just reading your post, just one point, you said that The Word of God is God;s Word, so that Word became flesh?  That makes no sense at all.  Jehovah God has never been heard or seen, only He that has been with Him from the beginning has seen Him, The Word of God that became Jesus…Rev. 19:13-16 e…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,14:12)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,13:26)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,13:09)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,09:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,13:09)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,09:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.Matthew 12:6-8But why is…[Read more]

Hi Francis:This where I get my understanding, the scriptures say that Jesus is a man, not just any man mind you, he is the Son of the Living God, but nevertheless a man, who obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross.  The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, and not a third person of a tri-une God, and no, Jesus is not God, there is Only One…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You say:Quote I personally believe the scriptures speak of three begettings of Jesus.  One before time as we know it, one as a human, and one as a “re-begetting” after he died.  It doesn't matter what you personally believe.  What do the scriptures say?  He was begotten by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the vrigin Mary, and then he was beg…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.Matthew 12:6-8But why is it you keep telling me God does condemn the guitless and that Jesus became…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,15:32)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,14:11)That in paranthesis indicates that this is speaking of “the glory as of the “only begotten of the Father” when the Word was made flesh, that is this is looking a him as begotten as  man, and not as someone begotten of God prior to being born into this world from the womb of…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,14:21)Ed J,Let's recap.  According to you:His punishment = crucifixion (i.e. “first death” only)My punishment = “first death” and “second death”Now let's review the relevant part of the Sinbad & Goodman story:Let's say that it is well known in this fictitious little town that Goodman is from the realm of the…[Read more]

Also, Mike, you rightly indicate that the Son was not orginially eternal, but the Word of God is eternal, and so in his preexistent state was he a Son or an angel or something else.  What say you, Mike? And he is returning to his former glory?Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,11:11)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:21)The First and the Last is GodThe First and the Last is the only RockJesus is the First and the LastJesus is the RockTherefore, Jesus is GodLogic 101the RooGod is eternal.Jehovah our God is One.God begot a Son.The Son died, showing he was not originally eternal.The Son…[Read more]

Hi Mike:Just noticed something in the following scripture:Quote John 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. That in paranthesis indicates that this is speaking of “the glory as of the “only begotten of the Father” when the Word was…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,07:26)Marty,As I warned earlier, I am afraid that we are now having a completely incoherent discussion.  I am asking very specific questions, and you are giving me generic christian doctrine in response.  For example, you write:Quote Because in obeying God even unto death on the cross Jesus defeated he who had t…[Read more]

That the Logos pre-existed with God is a fact, but is the Logos “Sentient person”?