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Did the Holocaust Really Happen?

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The truth fears no investigation. In this video the speaker claims to expose the lie of the Holocaust. Did it really happen he asks.

Pastor Steven L. Anderson has one of the best teachings I have heard for denying the Holocaust. The jury is out for me however and I think it far-fetched that there was no Holocaust even though Anderson makes some good points about the definition of the word ‘Holocaust’. But it is good to test out teachings, especially if they claim to be biblical. What do you think of his evidence and conclusion?

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  • June 10, 2016 at 8:26 am#814693
    kerwin
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    @t8,

    I see no reason to view it as false as I know the United States and Parts thereof forcefully sterilized the “unfit” and we even discussed putting them to death. It is all related to the Eugenics movement that was and perhaps still is a corrupt scientific theory. Man’s humanity to man is nothing new nor is seeking to cover it up after the fact.

    June 17, 2016 at 11:09 am#814983
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    There is a movement today as evident in the amount of videos about it that proclaims that Hitler was the good guy in  WWII and the Allies were the bad guys. The argument basically says that Hitler turned Germany’s economy around because he cut off ties with the Zionist Rothschilds and their money.  Supposedly WWII was really Hitler vs the Rothschild banking cartel. The result was the Rothschilds making lots of money from lending it out to finance the war even though Hitler wanted peace. And because history is written by the victor, Hitler was painted the bad guy.

    An interesting take on history. But is this idea really just another generation arising awaiting a man like Hitler to rule. Is history repeating itself. We already see hatred for the Jews at an all time high and with Islamic immigration into Europe, the Jews are finding conditions similar to the persecution they put up with just before WWII broke out. Perhaps another holocaust is on the horizon. Another world war.

    Jesus said, that the world would need to end and if not, then the very elect may be deceived. Satan is the Father of Lies and the best liar in history. He has been practicing for thousands of years. So good at it is he that he could even deceive the elect if it were possible.

    Sorting truth from lie can be  a difficult task sometimes when living in a world full of lies and well researched opinions that contradict each other.

    June 26, 2016 at 1:37 pm#815197
    AndrewAD
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    I find it interesting how he goes from “the holocaust” into theology quoting the bible and accusing Jews as being liars. He makes some good points about the numbers of those killed but my understanding had always been that six million Jews were killed in WWII not necessarily that they were all killed and cremated in the concentration camps.

    I have read some about the Zionist conspiracies regarding WWII and tend to think there is some truth to it;that they financed both sides of the war to meet their desired end which included denying help to many Jews who were seeking to flee from the Nazi’s in various European countries.

    What he says about how Arabs/Muslims hate Christians for the”holocaust” or death of so many Jews is new to me but perhaps some say that in order to demonize Christians.?  I have always heard how the Turks and head Mufti of Jerusalem supported the Nazis hate and murder of the Jews.  Of course that doesn’t speak for them all,but Muslims haven’t been known for favoring Jews for a long time.

    And Anderson,as I see it isn’t totally denying what I know or understand as “the holocaust” as some do;as he admits to Hitlers hate of the Jews but defines it in a different way. What I define as “the holocaust” I do believe happened.

    July 1, 2016 at 10:52 am#815409
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    Thanks Andrew. I went to Anderson’s website and read his creed. It consisted of the Trinity and other typical statements that most denominations hold to.  He is an intense person and that can be good when studying scripture because he will look at everything and leave no stone unturned. Perhaps he should focus on his own creed though, as that is the most important thing he could investigate.

    July 5, 2016 at 10:40 am#815561
    AndrewAD
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    And his statements about the ovens running 24/7 for so long are entirely irrelevant as far as I’m concerned for the real point and truth of the matter is the Nazi’s atrocities against the Jews and others. As I said he doesn’t flatly deny the atrocities as some do but he does seem to lessen it by accusing practically all Jews as being liars.

    I noticed one of his videos was taken down due to hate speech as well. Those were about the killings at the Orlando gay club where he said they all deserved it.I listened to it before it was taken down.

    July 5, 2016 at 10:52 am#815564
    kerwin
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    @t8,

    Persecution may be arising just to drive the Jews back to Israel and their roots. They may decry it but they have a tradition of only going to God when times are rough. If they were wiser they would learn to go to him when times were easy and perhaps avoid or modify the rougher times. Never the less I stand against those that persecute them.

    July 5, 2016 at 11:40 am#815566
    AndrewAD
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    Kerwin,

    The Jews don’t need to go the so called holy land to go to God.And many don’t believe the modern state is of God. I’ve heard there are more Jews in NYC than in Israel and I haven’t heard of them being persecuted too much. They don’t believe in the bogus earthly Zionist dreams of many evangelical Christians or worldly Jews.

    July 5, 2016 at 3:47 pm#815571
    kerwin
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    AndrewAD,

    I was not speaking of what the Jews believe but one possibility of God does. I do not know what he believes but I can see he sees the present state as one that will wither away. His plan would be for what is coming but what is. I know the account of the two witnesses appears to take place in Jerusalem and that the people there are not necessary believers are not necessary believers at that time. If it is literal and it is coming to the time for it to occur then I can see God driving the Jews to Israel and Satan wanting to destroy them. It is possible that by doing so the true faith will return to Jerusalem. If so then hopefully they receive it better than last time.

    July 5, 2016 at 3:50 pm#815572
    kerwin
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    @t8,

    The U.S. was a reluctant “bad guy” then for they did not enter the war until after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor except for supplying the allies.

    July 7, 2016 at 10:57 am#815644
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    Who knows. Conspiracy theorists could claim that the Rothschild’s got the USA into war, although Pearl Harbor was the perfect reason. I guess they could claim that was a setup like 911 as they believe.

    July 7, 2016 at 11:08 am#815648
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    Persecution may be arising just to drive the Jews back to Israel and their roots. They may decry it but they have a tradition of only going to God when times are rough. If they were wiser they would learn to go to him when times were easy and perhaps avoid or modify the rougher times. Never the less I stand against those that persecute them.

    Agreed. In Euroep especially France, it seems that persecution of the Jews is reaching the levels seen just before WWII. It is amazing that hatred for the Jews is so prevalent and never goes away.

    As for the modern state of Israel, I take it that you do not agree that this was God’s doing even in light of these scriptures?

    Isaiah 66:8
     “Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children.”

    Isaiah 43:5-6,21
    “Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south,’Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…”

    Ezekiel 36:11; 24
    “And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD…. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.”

    Isaiah 26:6
    “In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.”

    Isaiah 35:1-2
    “The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy….”

    You have to admit that Israel is a highly productive and innovative nation that exports its fruit to Europe and the world. They speak Hebrew and their currency is the shekel. And you have to admit that there is no prophecy in scripture saying that Israel will be formed near the time of the end and this is a bad thing.

    Zionists will tell you that the politically correct way to hate Jews is to hate Israel. They say that Jews are Israel. Additionally, the world seems to deny the Jews land. In many countries they were not allowed to own land and so when they got their own land, people decry that too. In a way, the world got what they deserved perhaps. By not giving them land, they instead became merchants of money and through that trade became very powerful.

    July 7, 2016 at 11:17 am#815649
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    Another thought. Does Satan want the Jews to go to Israel. Perhaps. If they are all in one place, then he can take them out. If they are spread around the world, he can never eradicate them.

    Does God want Jews to go to Israel. Perhaps. This will bring many nations against Israel as we see. It seems we are indeed heading for Armageddon, a great war fought in the land of Israel in the last days. So maybe God wants a conclusion and thus this is how it will come about.

    Also consider this. If the Jews and Israel no longer have any meaning to God as many say, why are they persecuted by all so much. We can understand why Beleivers have suffered much tribulation because Satan goes round like a roaring lion seeking to devour the sheep. But why the deep hatred of Jews too? You would think that if they were not of God and Israel not of God, then Satan would be happy to leave it be and concentrate on that which poses a threat to him.

    July 7, 2016 at 11:28 am#815652
    Proclaimer
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    Is YHWH still the God of Israel or not?

    If so, when did he stop? When did he renege on being the God of Israel?

    July 7, 2016 at 11:42 am#815654
    kerwin
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    t8,

    Actually there is some that state Pearl harbor was planned as there was intelligence that it was planned but the evidence could be explained away by claiming that rank “stupidity” within the government and not deviousness. Of course given the evidence they I may have underestimated the threat just like they did but Americans forget hindsight is more perfect and they love to drive from the back seat. It seem Brits and Scots are the same way with recent release of one person’s opinion on GB’s entrance into the Iraq War.

    In 2/11 the government had the information but failed to connect the dots in time or correctly. The same probably happened in Pearl Harbor.

    July 7, 2016 at 11:45 am#815655
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Perhaps Satan does but if so it seems a poor strategic move as the nations will the gather around and besiege Israel and that has been foretold. Scripture states he will do it.

    July 7, 2016 at 11:36 pm#815698
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    Seems weird that he would play along then. But maybe he has something up his sleeve. I wouldn’t want to play chess against God.

    July 8, 2016 at 8:40 am#815707
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    He most likely thinks he has something up his sleeve; possibly because he believes his own accusations of the siblings.

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