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Quote So what are you looking forward to then?
MATTHEW 5:5
““Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”PSALM 37:29
“The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.”PROVERBS 2:21-22
“For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”Quote Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever? No answer then? So is that a “no.”?
Quote Look back. Historically, the events related to Jesus' birth in Matthew and Luke do not have him being born in 1 BCE or 1 CE. Let's start with some proof..
on second thought, I'm going to edit this and say that this thread is about zoroaster.
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:21) Quote Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever? No answer then? So is that a “no.”?
What makes you think Yahweh will step in? There is zdero evidence of him stepping in yet.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:12) Quote Surely? References please, not conjecture. “What does the bible say about that? Should I watch Ultimate Fighting.”–kejonn
PSALM 11:5
“Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.”
Jehovah hates himself? Surely killing over 2 million people is not an act of kindness or benevolence.Quote The rest of these scriptures don't consider violence but are still good principles on how we choose to entertain ourselves. ROMANS 12:9
“Let [YOUR] love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is wicked, cling to what is good.”PSALM 97:10
“O YOU lovers of Jehovah, hate what is bad. He is guarding the souls of his loyal ones; Out of the hand of the wicked ones he delivers them.”PHILIPPIANS 4:8
“Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things.”EPHESIANS 5:3
“Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among YOU, just as it befits holy people;”EPHESIANS 5:10-12
“Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord; and quit sharing with [them] in the unfruitful works that belong to the darkness, but, rather, even be reproving [them], for the things that take place in secret by them it is shameful even to relate.”EZEKIEL 9:4
“And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.””Anyway, while the Bible of course doesn't touch on every subject, such as “ultimate fighting” there are bible principles that should help us.
DRUGS. Some principles:
2 Cor. 7:1: “Since we have these promises [of having Jehovah as our God and our Father], beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in God’s fear.”
(But can we expect to have God’s approval if we deliberately do things that defile our bodies?)Luke 10:25-27: “‘By doing what shall I inherit everlasting life?’ . . . ‘“You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,” and, “your neighbor as yourself.”’”
(Is a person really loving God with his whole soul and his whole mind if he makes a practice of things that needlessly shorten his life and cause his mind to be blurred? Is he showing love for his neighbor if he steals from
others to support his drug habit?)Titus 2:11, 12: “The undeserved kindness of God which brings salvation to all sorts of men has been manifested, instructing us to repudiate ungodliness and worldly desires and to live with soundness of mind [“be self-restrained,” JB; ‘to live self-controlled lives,’ TEV] and righteousness and godly devotion amid this present system of things.” (Is the use of drugs that impair one’s judgment or that cause a person to lose self-control in harmony with that counsel?)
Gal. 5:19-21: “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are . . . practice of spiritism, . . . revelries, and things like these. . . . Those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.” (The literal meaning of the Greek word phar·ma·ki′a, here rendered “practice of spiritism,” is “druggery.” An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine, in commenting on this Greek word, says: “In sorcery, the use of drugs, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with the provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of demons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer.” [London, 1940, Vol. IV, pp. 51, 52] Similarly today, many who use drugs are involved in spiritistic practices or associate with those who are, because a blank mind or one that experiences hallucinations is easy prey to the demons. Compare Luke 11:24-26.)
Titus 3:1: “Be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers.”
(In many locations, possession or use of certain drugs is a violation of the law.)So, God, in his wisdom, included principles that could help us. One who looked at the principles above would see the wisdom of staying away from drugs, and would benefit.
I see nothing in there that would keep a Christian from watching UFC.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:16) Quote if mazda created mankind, wouldn't he have some connection with mankind. Wouldn't he want us to know him? Wouldn't he want to tell us how to live lives that benefit ourself? Since he's the creator, I'd think he'd know the answers to some things like this and he'd want to share. But maybe he's not the sharing type. Any response?
The same response I would say of Yahweh. The Gathas is a religious text of sorts, so is the bible. Both are ancient. Did God leave us 2000 years ago?Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:20) Quote So what are you looking forward to then?
MATTHEW 5:5
““Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”PSALM 37:29
“The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.”PROVERBS 2:21-22
“For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”
Define “righteous”, “upright”, and “wicked”. Who decides? What level of sin in your life will put you to one side or the other? Just one more rated R movie? A wine with dinner? Allowing one blood transfusion to save the life of a newborn infant?Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:21) Quote Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever? No answer then? So is that a “no.”?
I am not hanging out on here, just waiting to answer your questions. Your level of impatience shows you don't have one particular fruit…Will Jehovah step in? Did he step in during the Holocaust? Did he step in during the Crusades? Did he step in when trinitarians were killing other Christians? Did he step in when Catholics were killing Protestants and vice versa? Did he step in when Christians were killing Jews?
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:23) Quote Look back. Historically, the events related to Jesus' birth in Matthew and Luke do not have him being born in 1 BCE or 1 CE. Let's start with some proof..
on second thought, I'm going to edit this and say that this thread is about zoroaster.
Look the dates up anywhere. I can see why you backtrack.Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,05:47) Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:21) Quote Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever? No answer then? So is that a “no.”?
I am not hanging out on here, just waiting to answer your questions. Your level of impatience shows you don't have one particular fruit…Will Jehovah step in? Did he step in during the Holocaust? Did he step in during the Crusades? Did he step in when trinitarians were killing other Christians? Did he step in when Catholics were killing Protestants and vice versa? Did he step in when Christians were killing Jews?
Please show me where Jehovah has ever stepped in outside of the bible. If you can, I will show you where Ahura Mazda has stepped in.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,00:15) “almost forgotten.”–zoroaster.net or whatever.
From that site:- Why Zarathustra’s Philosophy was gradually Forgotten?
The answer to this question is quite clear. Zarathustra was against bartering for gaining power through the name of God. He was also against the inhumane sacrificing of animals, which was a lucrative source of income for religious leaders. Moreover, since Zarathustra’s philosophy frequently indicates that three principles of good reflection, good words, and good deed; lead to human exaltation, therefore, there remains no need for religious leaders to assume the role of mediating between God and people like other religions. The meditation between God and people then becomes a lucrative job for clergies and will cause them to extort the fruits of their toils by promising them heaven and scare them of hell. According to Herodotus, Zarathustra even deprived the clergies from temples and God houses that they had made with their own hands. As these artful clergies were deprived of their weapon to trick the people, thus they developed animosity toward Zarathustra’s philosophy.
After Zarathustra passed away, the clergies of that period tried to incorporate the doctrines of previous belief systems in zoroastrianism again, to pave the way for their own personal profit. In this manner, after the death of Zarathustra, the religions of Mithra and Anahita became so popular in Iran that the King Xerxes was worshiping Mithra and Anahita next to Ahur Mazda. Contrary to the magnanimous behavior of Darius and Cyrus, the Great, when Xerxes prevailed over Greece, due to the recommendations of clergies, he ordered his soldiers to set fire to palaces and temples of Athens. This improper behavior of Xerxes, compelled Alexander of Macedonia to follow suit and order his army to set fire to the Perspolis ( Jamshid’s throne ) and libraries after the defeat of the Achamenedae. Alexander wrongly believed that his action could destroy the exalted Iranian culture. On the other hand, since Alexander would like to introduce Iranian science and philosophy in Greece, he ordered a considerable number of books to be translated in Greek, before their destruction by fire.
After the invasion of Iran and the defeat of the Sassanid, Arab leaders accomplished even a more ignominious behavior, in the sense that they set fire to every written document that they could reach and also they banned Iranians from speaking in Farsi, because they wanted to eradicate Iranian culture and make them subordinate to Arab language and finally to Arab culture, exactly what they did to Egyptians and Syrians. Fortunately, before Iranian language could fade away, Ferdosi, the great Iranian poet of all times, caused its survival by his extraordinary literary work of Shahnameh. To prevail over every aspect of the Iranian life, Arab leaders also imposed Islam forcefully over Iranians and in this regard, committed genocide to Zoroastrians. To justify themselves, accused them of fire worshipping. Unfortunately, even after the Arab regime was thrown out in Iran, still prosecution of Zoroastrians continued by fundamental Muslims. This persecution continued up until Reza Shah Pahlavie, the Great came to power and ended such a cruelty to zoroastrians and also other religious minorities.
As a result of the hardships Zoroastrians went through, the Zarathustra’s philosophy was transferred heart to heart and this caused many undue alterations that were not at all in line with true Zoroastrianism. This wicked manipulation was performed by some corrupt religious traders, who wanted to take advantage of religious activities for their own profits and by incorporating a lot of Mithra, Anahita, and Zarvan ideas in zoroastrianism, they inflicted a great damage to zoroastrianism. Recent philological studies show that many of the contents of Avesta are not genuine and have been added to it in later periods. Obviously, the men of knowledge and those who are familiar with Gatha and the true philosophy of zoroastrianism, know that many of such baseless principles such as Vandidad, do not belong to zoroastrianism and they have been added to it inimically to undermine it. If philologists and researchers on Zoroastrianism continue their studies on Gatha (Zarathustra’s Hymns), and also petroglyphs of Darius and Cyrus, the Great that are remained intact, the translucence philanthropic philosophy of zoroastianism can be rediscovered.
Reminds me of the early RCC and their efforts to destroy any religious text about Jesus which did not forward their own agenda.
Quote Jehovah hates himself? Surely killing over 2 million people is not an act of kindness or benevolence. Quote I see nothing in there that would keep a Christian from watching UFC.
Violence for the sake of violence or violence for the sake of entertainment is obviously different than the execution of the wicked.EZEKIEL 33:11
“I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living. Turn back, turn back from YOUR bad ways, for why is it that YOU should die, O house of Israel?”’”You may have taken your children to get a needle several times, but I don't wrongly believe this makes you someone who loves hurting children or that you love pain. You did what was necessary.
Ultimate fighting is not necessary and is definitely violent.
PSALM 11:5
“Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.”So again, my case was made, that the Bible does have principles on most everything. I had said this and then you popped out watching “Ultimate fighting” as though the Bible had no direction. Well it does. You were wrong. It was clever the way you tried to change your point though.
Quote What makes you think Yahweh will step in? There is zdero evidence of him stepping in yet. And I see no evidence of the sun coming up tomorrow. Except that it has always faithfully done so.
Unlike mazda, Jehovah promises to step in, and therefore at the very least, pretends to care. Your god does no such thing. Only silence and not even the promise of anything, but the same.Quote Look the dates up anywhere. I can see why you backtrack.
If you have some sort of point to make, why don't you just make it. Are you saying that secular sources do not match up date wise with the Bible?Quote I am not hanging out on here, just waiting to answer your questions. Your level of impatience shows you don't have one particular fruit… –kejonn.
Kejonn, I simply asked you: Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever?
If you don't know the answer or are to embarressed to tell us the answer, I understand.
But my questions are based on a lack of knowledge of mazda and since you claim to know something of him, I thought you may have answers. My mistake.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,19:27) Quote Jehovah hates himself? Surely killing over 2 million people is not an act of kindness or benevolence. Quote I see nothing in there that would keep a Christian from watching UFC.
Violence for the sake of violence or violence for the sake of entertainment is obviously different than the execution of the wicked.
Can you name the wicknedness the various people did? Why, Yahweh sent 2 bears to kill 42 boys for calling Elijah “baldy”. Now that is WICKED!!Quote EZEKIEL 33:11
“I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living. Turn back, turn back from YOUR bad ways, for why is it that YOU should die, O house of Israel?”’”
Deu 28:63 “It shall come about that as the LORD delighted over you to prosper you, and multiply you, so the LORD will delight over you to make you perish and destroy you; and you will be torn from the land where you are entering to possess it.Is Yahweh bipolar?
NWT: Deu 28:63 “And it must occur that just as Jehovah exulted over YOU to do YOU good and to multiply YOU, so Jehovah will exult over YOU to destroy YOU and to annihilate YOU; and YOU will simply be torn away from off the soil to which you are going to take possession of it.
Quote You may have taken your children to get a needle several times, but I don't wrongly believe this makes you someone who loves hurting children or that you love pain. You did what was necessary. Ultimate fighting is not necessary and is definitely violent.
PSALM 11:5
“Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.”So again, my case was made, that the Bible does have principles on most everything. I had said this and then you popped out watching “Ultimate fighting” as though the Bible had no direction. Well it does. You were wrong. It was clever the way you tried to change your point though.
UFC is wrong but having 2 bears kill 42 boys for calling Elijah “baldy” is right. Strange.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,19:29) Quote What makes you think Yahweh will step in? There is zdero evidence of him stepping in yet. And I see no evidence of the sun coming up tomorrow. Except that it has always faithfully done so.
What does that have to do with Jehovah or Ahura Mazda?Quote Unlike mazda, Jehovah promises to step in, and therefore at the very least, pretends to care. Your god does no such thing. Only silence and not even the promise of anything, but the same.
Empty promises thus far. Which is better, to never promise something you won't do, or promise something and not do it?Quote (david @ April 15 2008,19:30) Quote Look the dates up anywhere. I can see why you backtrack.
If you have some sort of point to make, why don't you just make it. Are you saying that secular sources do not match up date wise with the Bible?
Bingo.Quote (david @ April 15 2008,19:33) Quote I am not hanging out on here, just waiting to answer your questions. Your level of impatience shows you don't have one particular fruit… –kejonn.
Kejonn, I simply asked you: Will your god let us destroy ourself? Does he care about people? Will he step in, ever?
There is no evidence we are destroying ourselves. People are living longer than ever (if you don't accept that people lived hundreds of years before the mythological worldwide flood).So why should God step in? Whether his name is Jehovah or Mazda?
Quote If you don't know the answer or are to embarressed to tell us the answer, I understand. I am not embarrassed. I think I already hinted at the answer. God made this world and gave us intelligence as humans to look after it. It is in our hands now. He has kicked us out of the nest, so to speak. Grow up and learn to fly, little bird.
He created this world for its inhabitants to enjoy. What we do with it is up to us.
Quote But my questions are based on a lack of knowledge of mazda and since you claim to know something of him, I thought you may have answers. My mistake.
Still learning. It is hard to shake the brainwashing effects of Abrahamic religion.
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