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Isaiah 49:14-23 Zion says: The Lord has forsaken me. The Lord says: Can a woman forget her child? I shall never forget you. I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands. Your dwellings are always before My eyes.
Your people will hasten back, while your enemies depart. Look around, your children gather and come to you. They will be as ornaments in the Land.
Once the Land was desolate. Your enemies are now far away. The children born while the Land was occupied by foreigners will now say: This place is too small for us. Zion will say; who bore these children, when I was deserted, where did they come from?
The Lord says; I shall signal to the nations, they will carefully transport My people to their Promised Land. Kings will be your sponsors and great people will serve and honour you. You will know that I am the Lord, none who trust in Me will be disappointed.
Zion: The holy Land, forsaken and desolate, Jer. 22:6-7, Hosea 4:3, that is how it will be after the next prophesied event: The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, an explosion of the sun, directed at the Middle East and will clear and cleanse the entire area. Currently most of the holy Land is occupied by atheists or false religion worshippers. The Jews will be judged, Zechariah 13:7-9. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Hosea 4:3, Zephaniah 1:18, 2 Peter 3:7, Rev. 6:12-17
‘the enemies depart, they are now far away’: Psalm 83 and Micah 4:11 tell us how the surrounding nations and entities all hate Israel and want to ‘wipe them off the map’. Those attackers will all be killed, mostly by their own weapons; Psalm 7:12-16, and the rest will flee. Jer. 49:4-5 & 35-37
‘Your people will hasten back’: A part of Judah has returned, but very few are true believers and they all face judgement. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:13 We are told who are the Lord’s people: Romans 9:24-26, Psalm 24:3-5, Malachi 3:16-17
‘The Lords people, all those who put their trust in Him’: are gathered and transported to all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 66:18b-20, Psalm 107, Jer. 23:3-4, Zechariah 9:16 On that Day their God will save them, they will sparkle like jewels in the Land.
‘The Promised Land’: will be regenerated and become fruitful. Joel 2:21-24, Psalm 126:1-5
Ezekiel 36:8-12 You, mountains of Israel, put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of your people is near. Isaiah 51:3
Isaiah 35:1-10 Let the desert be glad, let it flower and rejoice!…Be strong, My people, fear not your God comes to save you with His vengeance and retribution. Then understanding will be given to all who couldn’t see or comprehend the Prophetic Word. A highway will appear and by that road, the Lord’s redeemed people will travel into their heritage. His holy people, set free will enter Zion with shouts of praise for their Redeemer. Gladness and joy will come upon them and suffering and sorrow will be gone.
Psalm 48:11-14 The hills of Zion rejoice, Judah’s cities are glad. Walk about the land, count the towers. Note the fortifications and buildings, so that you can tell about them to the coming generations. For this God is our God, our guide and protector, now and forever.
Psalm 69:35-36 For God will deliver Zion and rebuild the cities of Judah. The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His Name will dwell there.
Isaiah 55:11-13 You will go out with joy and be led forth in peace….the Land will rejoice at your coming. Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.That all this happens before the Return of Jesus in His glory, is made clear by Isaiah 49:23, ‘you will know that I am the Lord’. First, His people will gather and settle in all of the holy Land. Those who serve the Lord will inherit the Land. They will fulfil prophecies and prepare for the eventual Millennial reign of Jesus.
Hi Keras
There is one thing that you are missing- That God will punish Israel before he heals them. They have done wickedness in his sight, and put a curse on themselves when they crucified their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the last generations have gone worst than the first. You have missed the fact that Israel makes a secret deal with death which seals their fate, which means they will make a deal with the false prophet to enter their land but it backfires. This is the abomination which makes desolate. A false Messiah, ruling them, and stripping them bare. The Israeli people have no clue what is going on, but the Zionists do the deal.
During that battle at Armageddon where the armies are gathered to fight against the Lord, is when Israel shall be delivered. There will be death there too, God is saving Israel, the nation, called by his name. They have to receive their punishment first, and that punishment is the occupation and invasion of strangers along with all the plagues, and finally that big war in their own land where all the kings of the earth are gathered.
Their country will be in ruinous heaps. They will be healed, but only after they have been hurt. And that is at the coming. The healing begins at the start of the Millennium.All this peace can only happen when Christ returns to punish the nations of the world and not before it (or else there would be no Armageddon battle in Israel) for you say they are healed already by this time, but the scriptures state otherwise.
Hi J42, We do view the end times differently and I can quote plenty of scripture to support my view.
Who is it that is living in the holy Land when Jesus Returns? It is not and cannot be just the Jews, as at present.
Daniel 7:25 says that the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ are there when the Anti-Christ attacks them. Also, soon after the Sixth Seal worldwide devastation, people from every race and language are there. Rev 7:9, Rev 14:1
The ‘deal with death’, Isaiah 28:14-20 refers to the peace treaty that the AC makes with New Israel. [Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5]
This treaty, Daniel 9:27, marks the start of the final seven years of this era and is made because Beulah is NOT under the control of the AC, it is a serious mistake on the part of Beulah’s leaders, but some ‘will remain faithful to their God’. Daniel 11:32
The Lord will take the ‘woman’, faithful Israelites to a place of safety, as Rev. 12 tells us, but those who agreed to that treaty will pass thru the Great Tribulation, ‘to be tested and refined, for the end is yet to be at the appointed time’. Dan 11:35
So you need to rethink your premise that it all happens at the Return.Hi Keras,
Who is living in the Holy Land when Christ returns? The Jews are there, under the occupation of the False prophet and his beast, who will be there for 3 1/2 years. All the armies of the world also have come in to side or fight against the False prophets army, and the others come in on the 6th trumpet. Israel are in the crossfire, but it is not their war, as they have no army mow, but are only civilians.
Daniel 7:25 Does not say that the Saints of the most high will be there but says this;
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
And he (the false prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (God) and shall wear out the saints (christians, from all over the world will be persecuted, they are the saints, the followers of Christ, not the Jews) and they (christians) shall be given into his hand (the false prophet) until a time and times and the dividing of times (for 3 1/2 years he will be persecuting them)
Daniel 9:27 does not mark the start of the final seven years, because this one week is past.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This week happens during “the week” the Messiah is cut off (crucified, in the middle of that week) the end of that week is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
70 weeks for the order to rebuild the temple to the destruction of Jerusalem (70 weeks only, no more)
The one week missing is the week from when the Angel gave the command to rebuild, to when it actually started. That is the missing week.Once again I strike the brick wall of fixed notions about the end times and the preterism of fulfilment in ancient times.
That combined with the hopelessly inadequate and outdated KJV translation, means we hardly speak the same language.
Please explain how the times, time and a half a time, as Daniel says: that equals 3 1/2 years, you say: fits between the Crucifixion and the Temple destruction?Hi Keras
I’m a bit confused? I am not saying that Daniel 7:25 fits between the Crucifixion and Temple destruction in 70AD, I am saying that the 70 weeks in Daniel Chapter 9 is finished, past, history in reply to your statement.. Daniel 7:25 was brought up by yourself, and I am stating that it does not say what you stated.
You stated: “Daniel 7:25 says that the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ are there when the Anti-Christ attacks them.”This is what Daniel said;
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
(THIS IS REGARDING THE FALSE PROPHET IN THE END TIMES. HE WILL RULE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS)So I can clearly see that it does not say what you stated, and you have decided to blame the KJV on this? I would be interested in what your version says.
(THIS IS REGARDING THE FALSE PROPHET IN THE END TIMES. HE WILL RULE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS)
One prophecy is past, fulfilled, the last one future.THE 70 WEEKS IS PAST, HISTORY, FULFILLED.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I disagree that the 70 weeks of years are completed. As you quote in Daniel 9:27; the last one week occurs in the last seven years before Jesus Returns. Most prophecy scholars agree with this premise.
Daniel 7:25 He will hurl defiance at the Most High and wear down the holy ones of the Most High. He will alter the festive seasons and religious Laws and the holy ones will be delivered into his power FOR a time, times and half a time. REB, NIV, RSV, NLT, and more say: for a time….
The KJV error: …UNTIL a time, times and half a time.
That the ‘holy ones’, that is: true righteous Christians, are present in all of the holy Land is confirmed by Rev. 7:9, people for all races and languages are there and Rev 11:1, where the new Temple has worshippers, but the outer court is for the Gentiles.Hi Keras.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
THE MESSIAH HAS BEEN CUT OFF; THE SANCTUARY HAS BEEN DESTROYED(THE TEMPLE).THEN COMES DESOLATION UP TO NOW. FOR THE LAND IS DESOLATE.
JER.25:38.Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, **even until the consummation**, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
THE DESOLATION IS UNTILL THE CONSUMATION. UNTIL THE END.THIS IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY DENOMINATIONS.
BECAUSE THERE IS CONFUSION AT WORK. SATAN HAS INFILTRATED THE CHURCHES AND THE JEWS BELIEVE SYSTEM.
TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER.wakeup.
Keras.
The 70 weeks in Daniel has been fulfilled,except the desolation(spiritually) is to the consumation.
The christiann world is still in desolation today.
There are too much confusion going on as it is.
No need to add anymore to that prophecy.wakeup.
I stick to the king james if I were you,for it has been purified by God 7times.
God knew that satan is going to corrupt the word of God by creating new bibles.
The latter translations the worst.
From the commandment to rebuild the temple to the cutting off of the messiah is 62 weeks.
The 7th week after was the destruction of the temple.
The one week was from the angel speaking to Daniel to the commandment to rebuild the temple.wakeup.
Keras.
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a **mouth speaking great things and blasphemies**; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Time,times and half a time.
The false prophet’s kingdom will be in power for only 3/half years.
The ten toes of the image is only short. The ten kings and the false prophet will only last 3/half years.
The way for the false prophet is being prepared today. No more bibles at schools.ETC,ETC.
The economy is being bankrupted to make way for the new system.(novus ordo seclorum).
Read rev,17:16. the harlot is the world trade system. All trades of her delicacies,making the people drunk.
Worshipping things made by man’s hands. read also rev.18.wakeup.
Wakeup said: I’d stick to the KJV….
I do refer to it quite often, because I know many prefer it, such as yourself. But in no way do I consider it superior. God purified it seven times; where did you get that from?
I challenge you to google – King James Errors. It will shock you to learn the truth of how many errors there are in it.
The KJV is the worst. Later trans have the benefit of many more manuscripts and modern scholarship.I disagree with most of your pronouncements above, they are simply your own fanciful notions.
Whoever is promoting the KJV, please read about the Comma_Johanneum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_JohanneumKeras.
Here you go.
Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, ***purified seven times***.
Why did God need to purify his word? Was it not pure from the beginning?
It was purified because it has been tampered with. Do you really believe that satan has given up corrupting?
Did the scriptures not mention about the falling away in the last days?
Are we going forward spiritually or backward? Although the secular has gone far ahead.
The more technology,the more proud;the more self dependant;the more selfish; the worse spiritually.
I have not found any errors in the kjv. The errors are in the ones reading it.
You are a spiritual man;think spiritual. Depend on God,not on the worldly learned.wakeup.
wakeup.
t8.
Why are we still so dependant on books written by men?
I mean books about the spiritual;books about the bible.
The fact that God said; I have purified my word seven times only means that it had been tampered with
by men;inspirid by the king of babylon.(satan).
Not only the Word,but the churches and what they teach also.
It is time to realise that satan has gone into corrupting all he can,to divide and conquer.
He has created many,many denominations to divide,therefore the truth is very hard to find.
Who is he that created all religions? Read Isaiah 10.
He has not been at rest corrupting all things since the beginning.
Even the marriage between man and woman.We tend to forget because he in not seen.BTW.Thank you for the hard work;it seems to be working.
I still need to get use to it.wakeup.
Thanks Wakeup.
Why are we dependent on books written by men. Are we? Books are one way that knowledge and even Revelation is shared.
The Bible has 66 books. Inspiration for a book usually has an inspiration. It stands to reason that some must be inspired by God.There is only one book that leads us to everlasting life.
Its caled the Word of God.The H.bible.
Jesus is the Word of God;the bible is the same Word of God in print.
The spirit in those words is the spirit of Jesus.
No other book wtitten by men about the bible can we depend on,no matter how learned they are.ZION:
There is the heavenly Zion which is our Mother zion.
She is spiritual. Then there is Jerusalem, the physical Zion,but she is now poluted by men.
Jerusalem will be made Holy during the thousand yr.reign.
True believers are NOW dwelling in spiritual Zion.
Are IN Babylon;but not OF Babylon. They have come out OF Babylon.
Mother Zion was taught by God through the prophets.(old test).
The daughter of Zion are christians taught by Christ.(new test.).
Christ was born spiritually out of Mother Zion rev12.
The daughter of Zion will give birth to all her children at the resurrection.
This is when they are born again spirits.wakeup.
Keras.
Revelation 16:19
1.***And the great city was divided into three parts***,
2.***and the cities of the nations fell***:
3.***and great Babylon came in remembrance before God***,
4.***to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath***.1. How can the city be divided in three patrs after it has been restored?
2.And the cities of the nations fell.Israel is also a nation.Why should she fall after she had been restored as you say?
3.All the cities of the nations is of Babylon the great.
4. The wrath of God is up on israel as well.She will be trodden by the gentiles for 3/half yrs.The restoring will be when Christ rules,during the thousand years.
They shall build houses and plant vineyards.
Swords into ploughshares.The lion will eat straw.Sorry wakeup, your posts are a confused mix of scriptures and your opinions.
You say the KJV is ‘purified’? When it was translated from the Textus Receptus, itself a Latin trans from the original Hebrew and Greek. How is that purifying? Of course the KJV has ben revised several times, the New KJV, for example. Which one is pure?
I have pointed out one serious error, that makes you think the last seven years has passed. When it is obvious from Revelation that it hasn’t. Please discuss this issue, rather than beating around other issues.
Some discussion on the Original post, would be good.Keras.
God said He had purified his Word 7x.
If it’s not the kjv. then must be some other.
But it is purified. Commonsense will tell, that God would not purify His word later in time
but rather earlier in time.In the last days men have gone out of the way,not the opposite.
The kjv was supervised by a king in authority. God chose a king with power to oversee
that the job is well done.I think there were about 70 scribes in charge.Not sure.
All in groups of 7.Keras;did you think Christ is going to make war with the nations from earth?
No he will make war from the air. (rev19). He will come with all his saints with the sound of the archangel Micha’el.wakeup.
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