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- September 17, 2021 at 1:09 pm#890498kerasParticipant
Zechariah 2:1-5 I looked and saw a man measuring Jerusalem. It will be a city without walls because of the great number of people and livestock within it. The Lord says; I, Myself will be a wall of fire around it and a Glorious Presence within it.
Although it has usually been assumed that these verses apply to the Millennium period; a careful study of the context and matching passages, especially Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 and Ezekiel 38:8 & 11, shows that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus.
Zechariah 2:6-9 Come away, flee from the land of the North, flee from your dispersion around the world. The Lord says: Escape from Babylon, you people of Zion. My mission is to speak out against those nations that have plundered you, that ‘have touched the apple of His eye’. He will surely raise His hand against them and their former slaves will plunder them.
As soon as the time period decreed for the exile of Israel [2730 years] and Judah [1960 years] is completed, the Lord will call them out of Babylon. [1st Exodus: Egypt, 2nd Exodus: “Babylon” is a metaphor for all the godless nations.] He will punish those who caused trouble to His people and they will take goods and treasure back to the Land with them. Exodus 12:35-36
Zechariah 2:10-12 Shout and be glad, people of Zion, for the Lord is coming and He will dwell among you. Many nations will give their allegiance to Him on that Day and you will know that I have brought His message to you. He will claim the portion of Judah in the Holy Land and will again make Jerusalem His city.
‘The Lord is coming, He will dwell among you’. This will happen first with the Shekinah glory in the new Temple, Ezekiel 43:1-4, then later, at the Return of Jesus.
‘Many nations’, not the whole world, as it will be after the Return. Revelation 15:4
‘Jerusalem, His city’, This will be completely fulfilled at the end of the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-4
Zechariah 2:13 Let all mortals be silent, because the Lord has roused Himself and come down from His holy dwelling place. Isaiah 28:21
This refers to the next prophesied event – the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire against His enemies. Revelation 6:12-17
Zechariah 3:9-10 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land. On that Day, you will call everyone your neighbour, under the vine and under the fig tree.
Israel – the vine, Judah – the fig tree, rejoined at last. Ezekiel 37:15-23, Isaiah 5:7
This time, the Lord will help His people by destroying their enemies in a single Day. From this and other prophecies, we know that this will be done by a Coronal Mass Ejection, an earth directed explosion of the suns surface.
Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, from His dwelling place, against all the inhabitants of the Land. The noise reaches the ends of the earth as He brings judgement against all the nations and the wicked peoples will be killed.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
September 18, 2021 at 8:18 pm#890515kerasParticipantZechariah 8:2-23 Again, the word of the Lord came to me; I am very jealous for My holy Land, I am burning with jealousy for her. This is what the Lord says; I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem, it will be called the City of Faithfulness and the Temple mount will be called the Holy Mountain.
This is what the Lord Almighty says; Once again old people and children will inhabit the streets of Jerusalem. Even if this may seem impossible to the remnant of this nation, will it be impossible for Me?
I am about to rescue My people from countries in the East and West and bring them back to live in Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God, in faithfulness and justice.
These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; Take heart, all you who now hear that the Temple is to be rebuilt as the prophets foretold. Before that time, there was no hiring of man or beast, because of your enemies, for I had set every man against his neighbour. But, I do not feel the same toward the remnant of this people as I did in former days, says the Lord of Hosts. For they will sow in safety, I will give them rain and the Land will yield it’s produce. This is the inheritance of My people. To the nations you, House of Judah and House of Israel, have become as a curse; now I shall save you – you will become proverbial as a blessing. Courage, do not lose heart!
These are the words of the Lord; Just as I determined to bring disaster on you when your forefathers made Me angry, so I have resolved to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. This is what you must do; speak the truth to each other and administer true justice in your courts. Do not plot evil and do not love perjury, for all these I hate. This is the word of the Lord.
These are the words of the Lord; Keep the fasts of the 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th months. They will be festivals of joy for Judah. Love truth and peace. In future, nations and peoples will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favour of the Lord. In those days, 10 people from every nation will take hold of a Jew and say; Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you. Ref; REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
‘I am about to rescue My people…they will be My people and I will be their God’. We know from New Testament teaching, that the Lord’s people are every true Christian person, Jew or Gentile. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Rev 5:9-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16 Now I shall take thought for My sheep…I will rescue them from wherever they are scattered in the Day of cloud and darkness. I shall bring them home, to their own Land and make them prosper. Isaiah 60:4, Jeremiah 31:1-6, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14
‘the Day of cloud and darkness’, is the Day of the Lord’s wrath, a CME sunstrike that will de-populate the entire holy Land area, also causing worldwide devastation. Isaiah 30:25-30
‘I have set every man against his neighbor’. This is the current situation in the Middle East.
‘Courage, do not lose heart’. This proves that we must pass through the terrible testing and trials of the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. A literal Day of fire from the sky, of earthquakes, storm winds and tsunamis. It will be a period of ‘cloud and darkness’, from the smoke and ash clouds that will envelope the earth. Zeph. 1:15, Matt.24:29,Joel 2:1-2
‘Peoples will come to Jerusalem to worship the Lord, in the new Temple’. From the context of this quote and from other prophesies, it is clear that this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial, worldwide reign. Ezekiel 43:4…the Shekinah Glory of God will come into the Temple by the East gate. And even though verse 23 mentions a Jew, as one who enjoys the Lord’s favor, we know from verse 13 and many other prophesies that Christians from every nation and language, Isaiah 56:1-8, will become citizens of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, the new nation formed after the judgement/punishment of fire has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East.
Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 1:2-15
September 18, 2021 at 11:27 pm#890517gadam123ParticipantWe know from New Testament teaching, that the Lord’s people are every true Christian person, Jew or Gentile.
Hi Keras, very good posts on Zechariah’s endtime prophecies. But these texts are nothing to do with Christianity and they are purely talking about Jewish nation and their God.
Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi these three prophets are principally concerned with the status of the Temple, the new religious hierarchy, and the religious obligations of the post-exilic community.
The exiles who returned home from Babylon in 538 B.C.E. began plans for rebuilding the Temple, but adverse economic and political conditions delayed the project. Nothing happened until two prophets, Haggai and Zechariah, passionately pleaded with the people to continue and complete the building. Zechariah (his name means “the Eternal has remembered”) was active between 520 and 518, and the sacred task was at last taken up again and finished in 516-515.
sacred task was at last taken up again and finished in 516-515.
Zechariah
According to Meyers (Anchor Bible: Haggai, Zechariah 1-8) “Haggai and Zechariah … must be given enormous credit for using their prophetic ministries to foster the transition of a people from national autonomy to an existence which transcended political definition and which centered upon a view of God and his moral demands.”We know nothing about the personal life of the Prophet (Zechariah), except that he was the son of Berachiah and the grandson of Iddo. We have only the book that goes under his name, and it happens to be one of the most difficult in the Tanakh. Rashi and Ibn Ezra long ago noted its problems, which are exacerbated by a clearly visible difference between the first eight chapters and the last six. It appears to many scholars that chapters 1‑8 are by one person (called First or Proto‑Zechariah) and 9‑14 by another (called Second or Deutero-Zechariah).
The former relate eight visions suffused with angels and other rich symbolism, with ethical pronouncements and a spirit of hope. These chapters also take note of the two most important personages of Yehud (Judah), the high priest Joshua and the governor Zerubbabel, a descendant of the House of David.
A Second “Zechariah”:
Chapters 9‑14 (of Zechariah) lack most of these features. Instead, they contain a series of pronouncements against other nations and prophecies about the end of days. The Temple is not mentioned (probably because it was already completed); and where the First Zechariah extols the governor, the Second Zechariah heavily criticizes him. The fact that Greece (yavan) is mentioned suggests that this portion of the book was written after the time of Alexander the Great (died 323 B.C.E.).But the controversy has not been fully resolved, and there is a renewed tendency to see the two parts of the book as having a closer relation than was previously assumed.
Please read the following verses which are about the Jewish nation;
Zech 8:
7 Thus says the Lord of hosts: I will save my people from the east country and from the west country; 8 and I will bring them to live in Jerusalem. They shall be my people and I will be their God, in faithfulness and in righteousness.
13 Just as you have been a cursing among the nations, O house of Judah and house of Israel, so I will save you and you shall be a blessing. Do not be afraid, but let your hands be strong.
20 Thus says the Lord of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, the inhabitants of many cities; 21 the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, “Come, let us go to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I myself am going.” 22 Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favor of the Lord. 23 Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from nations of every language shall take hold of a Jew, grasping his garment and saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
September 19, 2021 at 8:05 am#890538kerasParticipantGadam; You show a sad lack of understanding as to who are the true Israelites of God.
Look at Galatians 3:26-29 and 6:14-16 WE Christians are the Overcomers for God, literally His Israel.
The current inhabitants of thr holy Land will be uprooted, Jeremiah 12:14. Only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27
September 20, 2021 at 6:09 pm#890587gadam123ParticipantGadam; You show a sad lack of understanding as to who are the true Israelites of God.
Look at Galatians 3:26-29 and 6:14-16 WE Christians are the Overcomers for God, literally His Israel.
Hi Keras, it is purely the imagination of the NT writers and Christianity thinking that Christianity replaced Israel as true Israel. Please read the Hebrew Bible properly, there is nothing about Christianity and Christian Messiah who did not fulfill any Messianic requirement as per the Hebrew Bible.
September 20, 2021 at 8:43 pm#890591kerasParticipantHi Keras, it is purely the imagination of the NT writers and Christianity thinking that Christianity replaced Israel as true Israel. Please read the Hebrew Bible properly, there is nothing about Christianity and Christian Messiah who did not fulfill any Messianic requirement as per the Hebrew Bible.
Gadam: your beliefs are unscriptural and unchristian.
Please do not post on my threads again.
September 20, 2021 at 10:33 pm#890592gadam123ParticipantGadam: your beliefs are unscriptural and unchristian.
Please do not post on my threads again.
Sorry this is a public Forum and you can not ask someone not to post. I am commenting on the texts you are quoting from the Hebrew Bible and not the NT which is purely Christian.
September 23, 2021 at 9:25 am#890651kerasParticipantZechariah 9:14-17 The Lord will appear over them. His arrow will flash like lightning. The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the south. He will protect the sons of Zion, they will prevail [over their enemies] and exult as if drunk with wine.
On that Day, the Lord will save his own people, like a flock, for they are precious to Him and they will adorn His Land. They will live in plenty and prosperity.
Zechariah 10:1-3 Ask the Lord for rain, He who makes the storm clouds, and He will give it at the right time. Do not rely on divination. Your leaders do not give good counsel or guide the people properly. They will be punished.
Zechariah 10:4-7 The Lord will care for His flock. From Judah will come strong leaders, they will prevail, because the Lord is with them. I shall give triumph to the House of Judah and victory to the House of Joseph. I shall restore them, in My compassion, it will be as though I never cast them off. So, the Ephraimites will be like warriors, they will rejoice in the Lord.
Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call them in, for I have delivered them and they will be as many as they used to be. I dispersed them among the nations, but yet, in far off lands, they will remember their God and will return. I will bring them home and lead them into [New] Israel until the Land is full.
Zechariah 10:11-12 My people will pass through Egypt – the Nile will dry up. Assyria will be brought low. But the strength of the Israelites is in the Lord, they will march into the holy Land proudly in His Name. This is the Word of the Lord. Ref: REB, NIV.
This passage of Scripture from the prophet Zechariah, is another example of how God will exact punishment on His enemies, by fire, lightning and storms, some of the effects of a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:25-28 “On that Day, God will save His own people”. They must rely and trust in the Lord for their redemption and sustenance. Isaiah 30:15
Wait for the whistle! Though scattered in far off lands, the Israel of God: now every faithful Christian person, Galatians 3:26-29, will acknowledge their God and will move into the holy Land, their inheritance – marching proudly in the Name of the Lord. Isaiah 35:1-10
This regathering cannot be the same event as when the Lord Jesus, sends out His angels to gather His chosen ones at the Return. Matthew 24:31. Therefore, it happens before then, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as we see in Revelation 7:9. This is in order for the Lord’s people, living in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, to be His witnesses and the light to the nations and to prepare for the Return of Jesus.
September 23, 2021 at 2:01 pm#890653gadam123ParticipantWait for the whistle! Though scattered in far off lands, the Israel of God: now every faithful Christian person, Galatians 3:26-29, will acknowledge their God and will move into the holy Land, their inheritance – marching proudly in the Name of the Lord. Isaiah 35:1-10
Isaiah 35 was talking about God’s people Israel and not about the so called Christians. Paul and other NT writers misinterpreted the Hebrew scriptures to suit their ideas, one such example is the text of Gal 3:26-27. Your above claim of Christians moving into Holy Land for taking the possession of their so called inheritance is nothing but pure speculation of Christianity.
September 26, 2021 at 9:12 am#890733kerasParticipantZechariah 9:14-15 The Lord will appear over His people and His weapon of judgement will flash like lightning. His war shofar will make a great sound, accompanied by a terrible whirlwind. The Lord will protect His people and they will exult in His deliverance. Paralleled by Isaiah 30:26
Zechariah 10:1-12 For now, your false gods and idols give empty promises, dreams and delusions. So My people are left to wander about, like sheep and distressed for the lack of a proper shepherd.
The Lord’s anger burns against the leaders of His people, they will fall on the Day of His wrath.
For the Lord will care for His flock, He will strengthen the House of Judah and save the House of Joseph. From Judah will come the leaders that will be My battleaxe and they will rout the enemy, because I am with them. The warriors of Ephraim will exult and rejoice in the Lord’s victory and in their deliverance. The families of the Lord’s people will see and be glad with what the Lord has done.
The pride of the nations will be brought low, but Israel’s strength will be in the Lord, they will march proudly in His Name.
He will whistle and call them in. His redeemed people, though now in far off lands, they will answer the call. They will return to their heritage, bringing their children with them. The Lord will bring them home from every nation around the world and He will lead them into Gilead and Lebanon until there is no more room for them all. They will pass through rivers that will dry up for them to cross.
The Lord will give rain in due season, grass in the fields and fruit abundantly. On the Day the Lord takes action, He will save His flock. For they are like precious gems in His crown, they will sparkle all over His Land. What wealth is theirs! What beauty! Good food and drink will give health and strength to the young men and women. Ref: REB, CJB.
This prophecy reiterates the great promise of God to His righteous people, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or grafted in Christians. The Lord will protect them on His great Day of judgement and punishment of the nations, as He brings down the pride of His enemies, but the strength of all true believers is in the Lord. He will be revealed to them; 2 Thess. 1:10, and will direct them into the Holy Land as He did with ancient Israel. 1 Corinthians 10:4 This is not the Return in glory, to come later.
All of that area given so long ago to Abraham, will be burnt, devastated and depopulated by the Lord’s Day of wrath – lightning flashes, great noise, earthquakes and powerful storms – as described here and in other prophesies as a coronal mass ejection, explosion of the sun, that will affect all of the world, but primarily the Middle East region. Zephaniah 2:4, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 1, 2 Peter 3:7
Ezekiel 36:8 But you mountains of Israel, put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of My people is near.
This and many other prophesies say how the Lord will send rain and the holy Land will quickly regenerate into a Land of plenty and prosperity, ready for the great emigration of all the Lord’s Christian peoples. Psalms 107 They will live there as the rest of the end time prophesies unfold and it is them who say to Jesus: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord! Be ready for the whistle!
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