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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:24) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 11 2010,01:42) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,21:04) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,16:54) The character of god is that which killed Uzzah for only trying to help Stuart
Hi Stuart,We have discussed this issue over and over again.
You seem to be suffering from amnesia again!That account was given by the Scribe of the king.
NOT A PROPHET OF GOD; only Prophets of God are 100% accurate.That's like getting the story from Obama's press Secretary!
Would you consider what he would say to be 100% accurate?Think about it!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
But I thought that the entire bible was inspired by God.
Did God inspire this scribe of the king to tell a lie?Tim
Hi Tim,If an account is given based on what they truly believe,
would you call that lying? Lying is pure deception!
Have you ever studied eyewitness accounts?
How the FACTS can very from people?Discovery is accumulative rather than conclusive!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
So much for what Jesus is alleged to have said.It is a fact that either the gospel writers were ignorant or lied about events in ancient Palestine. It is almost certainly true that they invented the supposed slaughter of the innocents and moved the date of the Census of Quirinius in order to make their man fit prophecy. It doesn't work anyway because there would have been no need for Joseph or Mary to move to a different place for the census.
Do you think they lied or just got things wrong conveniently? Is scripture inspired, and if so why would your god need to lie to you like that? Or is it humans that get the story wrong, in which case how can you know anything of what Jesus really said?
And christians say you should build your house on the rock. This is building castles in the air!
Stuart
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,15:31) I wondered that too. So maybe that means that eventually all will be saved. I think the Eastern Orthodox believe that, Im not sure. But then again, there is (In revelations) the second death, then death and hades are thrown into the 'lake of fire' and death is no more….?
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'could be translated
And these shall go away to punishment for it's duration of time, but the righteous to life for it's duration of time.'
The word aion gets it's duration from the subject; what is the duration of punishment, to completion, what is the duration of life? Well aion is not the only word on duration, we have other words to describe the duration of life; words such as aphtharsia (incorruptible), athanasian (hath immortality), akataluton (imperishable), aphtharto (immortal).
So on one hand we have perish, seems clear, and on the other imperishable, also clear.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2010,21:29) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,23:50) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,18:37) Outer Darkness is the darkness without God….I see that.
Sorry, dont worry, just thinking out loud.See though, bod, how can 'outer darkess' be fire and burning as is in Revelations…purely symbolic writing….Revelations.
shimmerwhat if the fire is the truth of God and darkness the lack of it ,
so it would be understood that because you rejected the truth you will now live in outer darkness so without god,but also without the possibility to come out of it.
is this make sense??
Pierre
Terrarica,1 John 2
I write a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shines. He who says he is in the light and hates his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in the darkness, and walks in the darkness, and doesn't know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Maybe scripture means that the darkness is hate, anger, jealousy, hurt, sorrow, etc, and that the light is love, understanding, care, compassion, etc.
“The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it.”
God is love. Love shines in the dark – Hate has never overcome love. Maybe thats what it means.
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 11 2010,22:14) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,06:24) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 11 2010,01:42) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,21:04) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,16:54) The character of god is that which killed Uzzah for only trying to help Stuart
Hi Stuart,We have discussed this issue over and over again.
You seem to be suffering from amnesia again!That account was given by the Scribe of the king.
NOT A PROPHET OF GOD; only Prophets of God are 100% accurate.That's like getting the story from Obama's press Secretary!
Would you consider what he would say to be 100% accurate?Think about it!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
But I thought that the entire bible was inspired by God.
Did God inspire this scribe of the king to tell a lie?Tim
Hi Tim,If an account is given based on what they truly believe,
would you call that lying? Lying is pure deception!
Have you ever studied eyewitness accounts?
How the FACTS can very from people?Discovery is accumulative rather than conclusive!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
So much for what Jesus is alleged to have said.It is a fact that either the gospel writers were ignorant or lied about events in ancient Palestine. It is almost certainly true that they invented the supposed slaughter of the innocents and moved the date of the Census of Quirinius in order to make their man fit prophecy. It doesn't work anyway because there would have been no need for Joseph or Mary to move to a different place for the census.
Do you think they lied or just got things wrong conveniently? Is scripture inspired, and if so why would your god need to lie to you like that? Or is it humans that get the story wrong, in which case how can you know anything of what Jesus really said?
And christians say you should build your house on the rock. This is building castles in the air!
Stuart
Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,15:07) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2010,21:29) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,23:50) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,18:37) Outer Darkness is the darkness without God….I see that.
Sorry, dont worry, just thinking out loud.See though, bod, how can 'outer darkess' be fire and burning as is in Revelations…purely symbolic writing….Revelations.
shimmerwhat if the fire is the truth of God and darkness the lack of it ,
so it would be understood that because you rejected the truth you will now live in outer darkness so without god,but also without the possibility to come out of it.
is this make sense??
Pierre
Terrarica,1 John 2
I write a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shines. He who says he is in the light and hates his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in the darkness, and walks in the darkness, and doesn't know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Maybe scripture means that the darkness is hate, anger, jealousy, hurt, sorrow, etc, and that the light is love, understanding, care, compassion, etc.
“The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it.”
God is love. Love shines in the dark – Hate has never overcome love. Maybe thats what it means.
shimmerthe fire is in you “knowing what the truth is in your conscience
this is burning you to do what God wants,and if we don't it burns us because we know inside that God is true and what we do is not right.
Pierre
Terrarica, God is a consuming fire.
Deut 4:24 – “For Yahweh your God is a devouring fire
Hebrews 12:29 – “Our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 10:27 ~-“But only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.“Give relief to you who are afflicted with us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those who don't know God, and to those who don't obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus, who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might” – 2 Thessalonians
Its easy. The light is love, the dark is hate, and all the things which go with both… In my opinion, from what I understand.
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,08:14) Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.
Certainly hold hopes for loving neighbour. Why love this petulantly violent god? Do you think perhaps it seeks forgiveness for its transgressions against humans? Will it repent of its nastiness?Stuart
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,14:40) I need to share this radio broadcast about a conservative Christian's testimony regarding God showing him hell…
Greetings Lightenup……The messianic message is one the few messages that speaks to Apostolic Christianty which is where it all started when Jesus spoke to Peter and started his ministry which consisted of Jews of diverse backgrounds from tax collectors,fishermen and physicians….This all changed at Nicea ,when the universal church de judized the holy days as well as the sabbath while rewriting the law(torah).Quote (Stu @ Nov. 12 2010,22:56) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,08:14) Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.
Certainly hold hopes for loving neighbour. Why love this petulantly violent god? Do you think perhaps it seeks forgiveness for its transgressions against humans? Will it repent of its nastiness?Stuart
Hey Stu…. This angry God you speak of loves you,inspite of your stiff neck…The anger you speak of is commonly known as judgement and is the consequences of actions….For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction….so science postulates….when you apply that theory to the actions of a human being it becomes the consequences of our actions….This principle applies to the rebulous nature of man….When it comes to the innocence it is Gods will that dictates and his interlect and reasoning far surpasses that of any human being but because of his loving nature it always works for the good….Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 12 2010,07:26) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,14:40) I need to share this radio broadcast about a conservative Christian's testimony regarding God showing him hell…
Greetings Lightenup……The messianic message is one the few messages that speaks to Apostolic Christianty which is where it all started when Jesus spoke to Peter and started his ministry which consisted of Jews of diverse backgrounds from tax collectors,fishermen and physicians….This all changed at Nicea ,when the universal church de judized the holy days as well as the sabbath while rewriting the law(torah).
Hi theodorej,
I'm sure all the persecution from the Jews towards the follower's of Christ had a lot to do with turning people away from what was so special to these persecuter Jews. Killing the follower's of Christ did little to cause the new believing Gentiles to cozy up to anything the 'Jesus hating Jews' held dear back then during the first few centuries after Christ died.What did you think about the radio broadcast?
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2010,04:11) Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 12 2010,07:26) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,14:40) I need to share this radio broadcast about a conservative Christian's testimony regarding God showing him hell…
Greetings Lightenup……The messianic message is one the few messages that speaks to Apostolic Christianty which is where it all started when Jesus spoke to Peter and started his ministry which consisted of Jews of diverse backgrounds from tax collectors,fishermen and physicians….This all changed at Nicea ,when the universal church de judized the holy days as well as the sabbath while rewriting the law(torah).
Hi theodorej,
I'm sure all the persecution from the Jews towards the follower's of Christ had a lot to do with turning people away from what was so special to these persecuter Jews. Killing the follower's of Christ did little to cause the new believing Gentiles to cozy up to anything the 'Jesus hating Jews' held dear back then during the first few centuries after Christ died.What did you think about the radio broadcast?
Greetings L U…..The Jesus hating jews are the same today as they were then ( for the most part they wee Hellinistic) today we refer to them as orthodox…None the less this was the group that Jesus refered to as Hyporcrits and vipers….The torah believing jews that followed Jesus knew he was the messiah and were the witnesses to his ministry and the evolution of christianity…..Interesting video…Iam always fascinated with appparitions,visions and those who hear from or speak to God in some way shape or form….A vision of hell is especially interesting because my sense is that, it is not opened yet but, its opening is iminent…and will follow the establishment of Gods government on this earth with Jesus being King of Kings and lord of lords…Quote (Stu @ Nov. 13 2010,00:56) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,08:14) Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.
Certainly hold hopes for loving neighbour. Why love this petulantly violent god? Do you think perhaps it seeks forgiveness for its transgressions against humans? Will it repent of its nastiness?Stuart
Stuart, its not that nasty. Bad has to be removed, dont be fooled, not all who proclaim to be Christian etc will be saved in the end, “not all who say Lord Lord did we not…”, the path is narrow, few are those finding it, remember that in Noahs days only a few people were saved.So what is bad has to be removed, eventually, so that what lasts forever isnt forever bad.
Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 12 2010,23:40) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 12 2010,22:56) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,08:14) Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.
Certainly hold hopes for loving neighbour. Why love this petulantly violent god? Do you think perhaps it seeks forgiveness for its transgressions against humans? Will it repent of its nastiness?Stuart
Hey Stu…. This angry God you speak of loves you,inspite of your stiff neck…The anger you speak of is commonly known as judgement and is the consequences of actions….For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction….so science postulates….when you apply that theory to the actions of a human being it becomes the consequences of our actions….This principle applies to the rebulous nature of man….When it comes to the innocence it is Gods will that dictates and his interlect and reasoning far surpasses that of any human being but because of his loving nature it always works for the good….
What sort of judgment would settle on the notion that all humans except one family deserved to be drowned?Stuart
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 13 2010,06:28) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 13 2010,00:56) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 12 2010,08:14) Stuart, sometimes I think that maybe God knew we all had our own opinions, in scripture anyone can make it say whatever they want. So maybe God left it like that, to see what each person would get from it, who knows ? Just something I thought of once. God also gave us a mind to think and reason, and thoughts and feelings as well. The simplest thing in scripture is clear. Love God and love neighbour.
Certainly hold hopes for loving neighbour. Why love this petulantly violent god? Do you think perhaps it seeks forgiveness for its transgressions against humans? Will it repent of its nastiness?Stuart
Stuart, its not that nasty. Bad has to be removed, dont be fooled, not all who proclaim to be Christian etc will be saved in the end, “not all who say Lord Lord did we not…”, the path is narrow, few are those finding it, remember that in Noahs days only a few people were saved.So what is bad has to be removed, eventually, so that what lasts forever isnt forever bad.
I'm sorry shimmer but that is the mindless dogmatism that demands all our governments remain secular. The chief problem with it is that christians do not define a body of Imaginary Friend Law against others can match each detailed action if required: if Jesus fulfilled the Jewish laws and now all you have is “don't be ungodly” then it is open to whatever charlatan can convince you that he knows what ungodly means.Anyway, all you posted was five religious platitudes that, in line with the definition of platitude, contain absolutely no meaning to me. I also think that they have no real meaning to you either.
Stuart
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 13 2010,06:33) ANd Stuart, God waits patiently for people like you. Yes God loves you. As TheodoreJ said.
I don't react very well to cheap prostyletising, sorry.Stuart
Stuart, have you ever been to church, just out of curiosity. I mean, to a church sermon, you would have right ? If so, how many times have you been, did you go to sunday school as a kid ?
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 13 2010,10:17) Stuart, have you ever been to church, just out of curiosity. I mean, to a church sermon, you would have right ? If so, how many times have you been, did you go to sunday school as a kid ?
I was taken to Sunday school as a child. By the age of ten I had worked out that the teachers there had nothing of any consequence to say, and the bible contained dull cartoon answers to real questions. During those Sunday mornings I did a lot of thinking and dreaming about real things of real interest instead.Thank you for asking.
Stuart
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