You cannot have 200% of anything!

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Quite so.
But those brought up with trinity have the habit

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2012,16:43)

Hi T, Quite so. But those brought up with trinity have the habit

[shimmer]

Interesting and true about the original language of Aramaic.

The original Aramaic is what is known as the Peshitta.

This translation can be read here:

http://www.lamsabible.com/index.html

And heres some more information on the Peshitta.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

Clearly the “Aramaic Bible” which is found on some sites is Trinitarian and not the original.

The original Peshitta for example transaltes Philippians 2:6-11 as:

“And every tongue shall confess that jesus Christ is the Lord, to the glory of God his Father”

[shimmer]

I made a thread on it:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….6;&#top

You should all look into it more because it is interesting.

I can't look after the thread though.

[Marlin1]

Kathi, there are many scriptures that show that your interpretation is flawed.  

REV 5:6 †  And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 †     And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 †     And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

These verses Indeed if isolated, would seem to prove your point that God is two or three. You notice, I said, these ISOLATED verses. However, read Revelation 4:2–3 and 9–11,

Carefully note in verse two it says, “ONE” (not two or three but ONE) sat on the throne. In verse three it says, “HE” (NOT they) was to look upon as a jasper stone. In verse nine it says that the beasts gave honor to “HIM” (not them). In verse ten it says that the elders fell down before “HIM” (not them). In verse eleven it says that they cried, Thou art worthy O LORD” (not Lords).

Also in verse eleven it says this ONE on the throne was the “Creator”, Which is Jesus (John 1:3), Which is Jehovah ~ Spirit ~ God of the Old Testament (Genesis 1:1). But let us not stop there. Read now in Revelation 3:21

REV 3:21 † To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

and HEB 12:2 † Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Notice that according to Jesus, Himself, Who wrote the Revelation, He is set down WITH the Father. The Spirit in Paul (Which Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, for That is the Spirit of Prophecy whereby the Word comes) says He is set down at the RIGHT HAND of God.

But when John looked he saw only “ONE” upon the throne. And it was not until Revelation 5:6–8 (which follows Revelation 4:2–3 in sequence of time) that we see the ” Lamb” taking the book from “HIM” That sat on the throne, as indicated in Revelation 4:2–3 and 9–10.

What is it? It is the mystery of “ONE GOD.” He (Jesus), came out from God, became manifested in flesh, died and rose again, and returned to the “Bosom of the Father.” As John said,

JOHN 1:18 † No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God Bless
Marlin

[Lightenup]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58) Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconder Hi Nick, How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man. 8And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified. 9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father. 1 Cor 8:6 6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Acts 10:34-36 34But Shimeon opened his mouth and he said, “In truth, I understand that God is no respecter of persons. 35But among all nations, whoever worships him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36For the word which he sent to the children of Israel and announced good news of peace and tranquility to them by Yeshua The Messiah, ( This One is LORD JEHOVAH of all ), There is three witnesses to Jesus being the LORD JEHOVAH.

Ok, here is another verse that tells us that Jesus is the LORD JEHOVAH.

1 Cor 12:3
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/12-3.htm

Interesting and clear.

[shimmer]

Unbelievable.

The 2010 version of the 'Aramaic Bible in Plain English' is a modern trinitarian translation.

I have just stated that the original is called the Peshitta.

Oh well, leave you to it then.

[Lightenup]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58) Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconder Hi Nick, How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man. 8And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified. 9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father. 1 Cor 8:6 6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Acts 10:34-36 34But Shimeon opened his mouth and he said, “In truth, I understand that God is no respecter of persons. 35But among all nations, whoever worships him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36For the word which he sent to the children of Israel and announced good news of peace and tranquility to them by Yeshua The Messiah, ( This One is LORD JEHOVAH of all ), There is three witnesses to Jesus being the LORD JEHOVAH. Ok, here is another verse that tells us that Jesus is the LORD JEHOVAH. 1 Cor 12:3 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/12-3.htm Interesting and clear.

Here is the first instance where the name, 'the Lord Jehovah' is applied to Jesus in the Peshitta which is claimed to be the original NT and is written in the Aramaic language. The person that translated the Peshitta into English and did not use the word 'Lord' or 'LORD' when translating the Aramaic word for YHVH which is MarYa. MarYa literally means 'Lord Jehovah'. This is a great and needed translation to clearly prove the deity of Christ providing it is accurate.

Here is a website for further investigation:
http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm

Now for the first and last verses that apply 'the Lord Jehovah' to Jesus in the NT:

Luke 2:11
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.”

from here: http://bible.cc/luke/2-11.htm

Rev 22:20 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And when he testified these things, he said, “Yes, I am coming soon.” “Come, LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua.”

from here: http://bible.cc/revelation/22-20.htm

Amazing!

[Lightenup]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,13:53)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58) Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconder Hi Nick, How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man. 8And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified. 9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father. 1 Cor 8:6 6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Acts 10:34-36 34But Shimeon opened his mouth and he said, “In truth, I understand that God is no respecter of persons. 35But among all nations, whoever worships him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36For the word which he sent to the children of Israel and announced good news of peace and tranquility to them by Yeshua The Messiah, ( This One is LORD JEHOVAH of all ), There is three witnesses to Jesus being the LORD JEHOVAH. Ok, here is another verse that tells us that Jesus is the LORD JEHOVAH. 1 Cor 12:3 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/12-3.htm Interesting and clear. Here is the first instance where the name, 'the Lord Jehovah' is applied to Jesus in the Peshitta which is claimed to be the original NT and is written in the Aramaic language. The person that translated the Peshitta into English and did not use the word 'Lord' or 'LORD' when translating the Aramaic word for YHVH which is MarYa. MarYa literally means 'Lord Jehovah'. This is a great and needed translation to clearly prove the deity of Christ providing it is accurate. Here is a website for further investigation: http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm Now for the first and last verses that apply 'the Lord Jehovah' to Jesus in the NT: Luke 2:11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) “For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.” from here: http://bible.cc/luke/2-11.htm Rev 22:20 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) And when he testified these things, he said, “Yes, I am coming soon.” “Come, LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua.” from here: http://bible.cc/revelation/22-20.htm Amazing!

Another eye opener:

1 Corinthians 15:47
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
The first man was dust from the ground; The second man, THE LORD JEHOVAH from Heaven.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-47.htm

[Lightenup]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,14:34)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,13:53) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58) Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconder Hi Nick, How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man. 8And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified. 9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father. 1 Cor 8:6 6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Acts 10:34-36 34But Shimeon opened his mouth and he said, “In truth, I understand that God is no respecter of persons. 35But among all nations, whoever worships him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36For the word which he sent to the children of Israel and announced good news of peace and tranquility to them by Yeshua The Messiah, ( This One is LORD JEHOVAH of all ), There is three witnesses to Jesus being the LORD JEHOVAH. Ok, here is another verse that tells us that Jesus is the LORD JEHOVAH. 1 Cor 12:3 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/12-3.htm Interesting and clear. Here is the first instance where the name, 'the Lord Jehovah' is applied to Jesus in the Peshitta which is claimed to be the original NT and is written in the Aramaic language. The person that translated the Peshitta into English and did not use the word 'Lord' or 'LORD' when translating the Aramaic word for YHVH which is MarYa. MarYa literally means 'Lord Jehovah'. This is a great and needed translation to clearly prove the deity of Christ providing it is accurate. Here is a website for further investigation: http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm Now for the first and last verses that apply 'the Lord Jehovah' to Jesus in the NT: Luke 2:11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) “For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.” from here: http://bible.cc/luke/2-11.htm Rev 22:20 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) And when he testified these things, he said, “Yes, I am coming soon.” “Come, LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua.” from here: http://bible.cc/revelation/22-20.htm Amazing! Another eye opener: 1 Corinthians 15:47 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) The first man was dust from the ground; The second man, THE LORD JEHOVAH from Heaven. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-47.htm

Some more verses to help to show Jesus as the Lord Jehovah:

Col 3:24
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And know that you will receive from our Lord a reward in the inheritance, for you serve THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah.
from:
http://bible.cc/colossians/3-24.htm

1 Peter 3:15
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But hallow THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah in your hearts, and be ready to return a defense to everyone who requests a statement from you about the hope of your faith, in meekness and in reverence,
from:
http://bible.cc/1_peter/3-15.htm

These are just some of what the translator lists. He said that there are 50 clear references of Jesus as the Lord Jehovah of these in the NT.

Here again is the link where you can click on another link to get this list:

Here is a website for further investigation:
http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm

I'm sure you will find this interesting,
Kathi

[Lightenup]

Oh well, I guess that I will just have to appreciate this Bible translation all by myself, ha
Maybe it is just too clear that Jesus is deity in this translation.

ttml….

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 03 2012,19:29)

Oh well, I guess that I will just have to appreciate this Bible translation all by myself, ha Maybe it is just too clear that Jesus is deity in this translation. ttml….

k

I think the Muslim going to come out with a new version of the scriptures that will put Muhammad as the true prophet ,( I do not know if this true)because they say Christ his God,so they figure that he is now that prophet,

We're people pick those things up I do not know ,but I think you now can become Muslim and follow the prophet of god,you should be at home with this view right ??

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
You will be held accountable for your sarcastic and foolish words.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2012,05:43)

Pierre, You will be held accountable for your sarcastic and foolish words.

Kathy

You will be held accountable for your foolish words.

scriptures are so made by God that only if you are true to God you can not be misled.

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
If you speak of my foolish words which are quotations of scripture then they are not my words but God's words…and so you say that God's words are foolish?? No fear, Pierre?? Is that wise?? Look at the interlinear of the original text, study and learn.

Who is the Lord of all Pierre?

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2012,22:35)

Pierre, If you speak of my foolish words which are quotations of scripture then they are not my words but God's words…and so you say that God's words are foolish?? No fear, Pierre?? Is that wise?? Look at the interlinear of the original text, study and learn. Who is the Lord of all Pierre?

K

It is not scriptures it is your foolish interpretation ,things that are not supported by them,

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
I support what I say with scripture.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 15 2012,13:14)

Pierre, I support what I say with scripture.

Kathi

so are Muslims,and catholics

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