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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 23 2013,08:45) Ok Pierre. I believe understanding God's Word through the original languages is worthy of ALL those who consider themselves serious Bible students' time and effort. So we disagree. Your answer is very telling. Is going round in circles on HN more worthy of your time and effort? Btw, in Isaiah 8:13, the Hebrew does not translate correctly to LORD 'Almighty.' Look it up in your Strong's Concordance or your dictionarys.
Also, can you tell me what part of speech that word, Strong's 6635, is in that sentence in the Hebrew? Also can you tell me if there is an article 'the' in the Hebrew where it says “the LORD?”Isa 8:13
But the LORD of hosts (Strong's 6635), him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Understanding God,s word does not come out of the language spoken 2000 years ago, the truth is given through the spirit of truth,not any language ,You seem to make it mandatory to learn that language ,and so it become similar to the circumcision ,what is false,
But the circumcision of the heart is true,
Pierre,
It is nothing like circumcision. It is important to know the Biblical languages if you want to be a serious Bible student. Since it is not important at all to you, then I know how serious you really are about your apologetics. That's all I really want to know…who is really serious enough to put time and energy into learning all they can learn about the subject.So, according to you, the spirit of truth is all you need. Tell me why you incorrectly handle the Word of God then if you claim to have this Spirit of truth? I noticed you did not respond to my comments and questions about Isa 8:13. Why not?
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 23 2013,23:44) Pierre,
It is nothing like circumcision. It is important to know the Biblical languages if you want to be a serious Bible student. Since it is not important at all to you, then I know how serious you really are about your apologetics. That's all I really want to know…who is really serious enough to put time and energy into learning all they can learn about the subject.So, according to you, the spirit of truth is all you need. Tell me why you incorrectly handle the Word of God then if you claim to have this Spirit of truth? I noticed you did not respond to my comments and questions about Isa 8:13. Why not?
Quote So, according to you, the spirit of truth is all you need. Tell me why you incorrectly handle the Word of God then if you claim to have this Spirit of truth? I noticed you did not respond to my comments and questions about Isa 8:13. Why not? you did not answer my question regarding your claim that Peter identify who is the Lord of host ;
so show in Peter letter 1 or 2
Quote It is nothing like circumcision. It is important to know the Biblical languages if you want to be a serious Bible student. Since it is not important at all to you, then I know how serious you really are about your apologetics. That's all I really want to know…who is really serious enough to put time and energy into learning all they can learn about the subject you seem to study but never progress in truth ,according to the scriptures ,you have even gone beyond the scriptures ,
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you did not answer my question regarding your claim that Peter identify who is the Lord of host ;so show in Peter letter 1 or 2
I had hoped you knew how to study 1 Peter and 2 Peter to find this. I will have to hold your hand through this I guess. Is it worth my time Pierre?
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,03:13) Quote
you did not answer my question regarding your claim that Peter identify who is the Lord of host ;so show in Peter letter 1 or 2
I had hoped you knew how to study 1 Peter and 2 Peter to find this. I will have to hold your hand through this I guess. Is it worth my time Pierre?
kathyyou mean it would take more time than just quoting the scriptures few verses where it is mention
hummm, are you running
No, I am not running…just being patient with you since you can't seem to put any effort into it yourself.
Pierre,
Let's take it slow so you don't miss it…1 Peter 2
Quote 1So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. 4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”a8and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”Who is the stone that is spoken about in 1 Peter 2:6, 7 and 8?
What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
When you can answer those two bolded questions then we can proceed.
I believe that learning Greek or Hebrew would be helpful in understanding scripture which is a good thing. I also understand terraricca's point that this understanding doesn't make us better or lead to righteousness.
But learning a language to understand scripture, and then holding to a predefined view regardless of your learning would demonstrate to me that such a person was not interested in truth by doing such a course, but was really just wanting to add big words to their predefined view, so that they sounded more authentic.
I understand about finding the time and about sticking to a predefined view inspite of knowledge. I think it would be time and money well spent if it opened your eyes to truth though. Then you could come here and help others in a more objective manner. Heck, if you just learned about the use of the article or the pluralization of words it would be helpful. It cost $125, not $25.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,09:00) Pierre,
Let's take it slow so you don't miss it…1 Peter 2
Quote 1So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. 4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”a8and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”Who is the stone that is spoken about in 1 Peter 2:6, 7 and 8?
What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
When you can answer those two bolded questions then we can proceed.
The stone that God as placed his Christ ,T8,
How long would it take to learn to master godly love
Because everything else is useless without it,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 12 2013,22:50) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,09:00) Pierre,
Let's take it slow so you don't miss it…1 Peter 2
Quote 1So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. 4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”a8and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”Who is the stone that is spoken about in 1 Peter 2:6, 7 and 8?
What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
When you can answer those two bolded questions then we can proceed.
The stone that God as placed his Christ ,
Good Pierre, that is correct the Stone in v. 6, 7, and 8 is Christ. Now answer that second question:What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,10:04) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 12 2013,22:50) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,09:00) Pierre,
Let's take it slow so you don't miss it…1 Peter 2
Quote 1So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 2Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. 4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”a8and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”Who is the stone that is spoken about in 1 Peter 2:6, 7 and 8?
What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
When you can answer those two bolded questions then we can proceed.
The stone that God as placed his Christ ,
Good Pierre, that is correct the Stone in v. 6, 7, and 8 is Christ. Now answer that second question:What are the Bible passages that contain the specific scriptures which are being referenced from the OT here, do you know?
No,KathyYou keep showing me your scriptures ,because then I can understand you were you going ,and it will be shorter
Pierre,
1 Peter 2:6
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”This quotes Isaiah 28:16
Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: 'Lo, I am laying a foundation in Zion, A stone — a tried stone, a corner stone precious, a settled foundation, He who is believing doth not make haste.1 Peter 2:7
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”That quotes Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.1 Peter 2:8
and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.Which quotes Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2013,09:07) Pierre, 1 Peter 2:6
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”This quotes Isaiah 28:16
Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: 'Lo, I am laying a foundation in Zion, A stone — a tried stone, a corner stone precious, a settled foundation, He who is believing doth not make haste.1 Peter 2:7
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”That quotes Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.1 Peter 2:8
and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.Which quotes Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?
kathyIsa 8:11 The LORD has said to me in the strongest terms: “Do not think like everyone else does.
Isa 8:12 Do not be afraid that some plan conceived behind closed doors will be the end of you.
Isa 8:13 Do not fear anything except the LORD Almighty. He alone is the Holy One. If you fear him, you need fear nothing else.
Isa 8:14 He will keep you safe. But to Israel and Judah he will be a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap that entangles them.
Isa 8:15 Many of them will stumble and fall, never to rise again. Many will be captured.”
Isa 8:16 I will write down all these things as a testimony of what the LORD will do. I will entrust it to my disciples, who will pass it down to future generations.
Isa 8:17 I will wait for the LORD to help us, though he has turned away from the people of Israel. My only hope is in him.
Isa 8:18 I and the children the LORD has given me have names that reveal the plans the LORD Almighty has for his people.
Isa 8:19 So why are you trying to find out the future by consulting mediums and psychics? Do not listen to their whisperings and mutterings. Can the living find out the future from the dead? Why not ask your God?
Isa 8:20 “Check their predictions against my testimony,” says the LORD. “If their predictions are different from mine, it is because there is no light or truth in them.
Isa 8:21 My people will be led away as captives, weary and hungry. And because they are hungry, they will rage and shake their fists at heaven and curse their king and their God.Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
1Pe 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
1Pe 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone,’”
1Pe 2:8 and,
“A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
1Pe 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
1Pe 2:11 Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.
1Pe 2:12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.according to what Peter says it is the message for salvation that as become the corner stone and by diffusing the message all those who do so becoming also a stone ,and Peter shows that the stone can be a protection as well as our capstone that will destroy us,
so any men that tells God truth becomes a stone of God in his hands and so does the work of God ,
without God almighty nothing comes to be ,
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,22:07) Pierre, 1 Peter 2:6
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”This quotes Isaiah 28:16
Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: 'Lo, I am laying a foundation in Zion, A stone — a tried stone, a corner stone precious, a settled foundation, He who is believing doth not make haste.1 Peter 2:7
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”That quotes Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.1 Peter 2:8
and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.Which quotes Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?
Pierre,
Can you answer the question with a yes or no?Here is the question again:
Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:12) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2013,22:07) Pierre, 1 Peter 2:6
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”This quotes Isaiah 28:16
Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: 'Lo, I am laying a foundation in Zion, A stone — a tried stone, a corner stone precious, a settled foundation, He who is believing doth not make haste.1 Peter 2:7
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”That quotes Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.1 Peter 2:8
and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.Which quotes Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?
Pierre,
Can you answer the question with a yes or no?Here is the question again:
Can you see that these are the OT verses that are being referred to Pierre?
kathyyes,it seems that way ,but the true meaning of it should be carefully watched ,
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:59) Thanks Pierre,
Do you think that the stone in 1 Peter 2 is Christ-a person or a message?
kathyit seems that they are both the stone ,and Christ came and make stones out all those who believe in him,
this is related to ;Mal 1:11 My name will be great among the nations, from the rising to the setting of the sun. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to my name, because my name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD Almighty.
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