Would you take a biblical language course

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If there was a Biblical language course offered online that you could take at your own pace and at your own convenience by a qualified instructor that did not cost you any money, would you like to take advantage of it?
Please vote:

Yes
or
No
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Maybe

Please identify yourself and your vote and explain/expand on your thoughts as to why you voted the way you did.
Thanks!

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i VOTED “NO” because it is not the language that is the purpose of the way to be saved,but it is the true search of the kingdom and its righteousness that is the way to be saved ,and to love God as he as loved us ,this is a matter of the heart not of a understanding of a language ,the Jews knew all about the language but did it saved them ?? not according to Christ ,

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Here is a site that offers courses in learning the Biblical languages that costs $150, a very reasonable charge however, for 52 weeks of instruction. Save $25 if you register before Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 28th, 2013. Registration ends December 25, 2013 and classes begin on January 6th 2014.

http://www.memraonline.com/registration.html

Does anyone know of a good free or cheaper course online with a scholar as an instructor?

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I voted yes because we are to test all things according to the Word of God which God has had certain men write down as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

So much of the dispute on here is about what the scriptures actually teach. How do you test the opinion of others if you are ignorant of the nuances of the original inspired scriptures? We are not to lean on our own understanding or the impressions/revelations that we believe that are from the LORD if they aren't in agreement with scripture.

2 Tim 3:16
14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

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i VOTED “NO” because it is not the language that is the purpose of the way to be saved,but it is the true search of the kingdom and its righteousness that is the way to be saved ,and to love God as he as loved us ,this is a matter of the heart not of a understanding of a language ,the Jews knew all about the language but did it saved them ?? not according to Christ ,

Pierre,
Was the use of written words used for the purpose of teaching about God's love, righteousness, and salvation?
Thanks!

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2013,14:39) i VOTED “NO” because it is not the language that is the purpose of the way to be saved,but it is the true search of the kingdom and its righteousness that is the way to be saved ,and to love God as he as loved us ,this is a matter of the heart not of a understanding of a language ,the Jews knew all about the language but did it saved them ?? not according to Christ , Pierre, Was the use of written words used for the purpose of teaching about God's love, righteousness, and salvation? Thanks!

kathi

yes ,but that is not your question right

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I said yes (most likely anyway) I believe that the better I can understand the language of scripture (plus whatever one might learn of the customs, and ways of the people from scripture) the better I might understand scripture.

Of course I still have not learned English yet!

Wm

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Kathi

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I voted yes because we are to test all things according to the Word of God which God has had certain men write down as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

but learning another language would not help you to be more righteous,more truthful,have more love for God and his son, or be more receptif toward his message or obey his will ,would it i do not think so ,education does not make your heart a truthful one

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If there was a Biblical language course offered online that you could take at your own pace and at your own convenience by a qualified instructor that did not cost you any money, would you like to take advantage of it? Please vote: Yes or No or Maybe Please identify yourself and your vote and explain/expand on your thoughts as to why you voted the way you did. Thanks!

Hi Kathi:

I believe that I would want to study biblical languages if I could do it at my own pace and if it would not cost me very much.

I am currently studying Hebrew on the following website, http://www.ancient-hebrew.org.  This if free and he has 13 written books which can be downloaded as E-books for $40.

I will look at the website that you have given and see if it will help in my studies.  The price is reasonable,

I do not want to teach anything that is not God's Word, and I believe that it would help to understand the truth if I could read the bible in the original languages.

Thanks,
Marty

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Kathi Quote I voted yes because we are to test all things according to the Word of God which God has had certain men write down as inspired by the Holy Spirit. but learning another language would not help you to be more righteous,more truthful,have more love for God and his son, or be more receptif toward his message or obey his will ,would it i do not think so ,education does not make your heart a truthful one

I disagree Pierre. I definitely think learning the original language that God inspired the writers to write in would help me to know much more about the fullness of God and the love and will of the Father and Son, and cause me to be reproofed if need be or trained in righteousness and in many ways. Understanding the original written word has great value to add depth to our knowledge, understanding and appreciation of our Lord and God.

Joshua 1
8Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.

Pierre, I believe that learning the original language would certainly be helpful to understanding the fullness of scripture. Of course the Holy Spirit reveals things through the scriptures which will line up with what is written. We have to do our part in learning God's word. I know you don't trust the translations at times but without knowing the original language, your defense is not as credible as if you actually knew the original language.

If your wife's native and only language was different from yours, don't you think that you would better understand what she was saying if you studied her native language with all its grammar tendencies and nuances? If not, you would have to get everything translated and depend on the integrity of the translator.

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I agree William and Marty. Thanks for your response and vote.

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2013,16:42) Kathi Quote I voted yes because we are to test all things according to the Word of God which God has had certain men write down as inspired by the Holy Spirit. but learning another language would not help you to be more righteous,more truthful,have more love for God and his son, or be more receptif toward his message or obey his will ,would it i do not think so ,education does not make your heart a truthful one I disagree Pierre. I definitely think learning the original language that God inspired the writers to write in would help me to know much more about the fullness of God and the love and will of the Father and Son, and cause me to be reproofed if need be or trained in righteousness and in many ways. Understanding the original written word has great value to add depth to our knowledge, understanding and appreciation of our Lord and God. Joshua 1 8Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. Pierre, I believe that learning the original language would certainly be helpful to understanding the fullness of scripture. Of course the Holy Spirit reveals things through the scriptures which will line up with what is written. We have to do our part in learning God's word. I know you don't trust the translations at times but without knowing the original language, your defense is not as credible as if you actually knew the original language. If your wife's native and only language was different from yours, don't you think that you would better understand what she was saying if you studied her native language with all its grammar tendencies and nuances? If not, you would have to get everything translated and depend on the integrity of the translator.

Kathy

let me tell you;my wife and i have two different mother languages,and came from two very different ethnic origins ,at one time in our home at the time her mother was still with us ,there was four languages spoken at home ,the wife and i just at a common language that we both learned in school were we lived ,so I know all about of different cultures ,traditions ,ect;

Zec 8:22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the LORD Almighty and to entreat him.”
Zec 8:23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

DT 8:2 “ You shall remember all the way which the LORD your God has led you in the wilderness these forty years, that He might humble you, testing you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.

JOB 22:22 “Please receive instruction from His mouth
And establish His words in your heart.

RO 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

those who seek the truth have to find it in the scriptures with their hearts “first commandment”

JN 5:39 “ You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life;(they mist to understand them) it is these that testify about Me;

all seem to chase the truth of God and yet few find it why Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? WHY WAS THAT HE HAD NO LANGUAGE MISUNDERSTANDING

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Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? WHY WAS THAT HE HAD NO LANGUAGE MISUNDERSTANDING

Their deceitful HEART interpreted scripture incorrectly. It takes both, Pierre, a pure heart and correct understanding of scripture to handle the WORD correctly. Many believe their hearts to be pure when they are actually fools, their hearts are hardened and full of deceit. You cannot trust your heart.

Do you not check how your heart feels with the words of scripture, considering context, grammar, historical setting and the nuances of the original language? If not, then you are not equipped to rightly divide the word of God, imo.

2 Tim 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Watch an illustration of the importance of understanding the language, culture and context to see how much clearer scripture becomes. This is a long video but worth your time. Pay attention around 35 minutes regarding the value of knowing the original language. Please realize, learning the original language isn't discounting the importance of having a pure heart to receive the truth written in the language. The two compliment each other.

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Kathy

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Their deceitful HEART interpreted scripture incorrectly. It takes both, Pierre, a pure heart and correct understanding of scripture to handle the WORD correctly. Many believe their hearts to be pure when they are actually fools, their hearts are hardened and full of deceit. You cannot trust your heart.

yes this is true but reading the scriptures with the right motives (a good up to date version) will do the works,the true understanding does not come from the grammar and original language (I do agree it may help to establish truth from wrong about the use of a word ) but unless you are seeking God's kingdom and its righteousness you will never come to the godly understanding in scriptures , THERE IS ALREADY MUCH INFO ON THE LANGUAGES GREEK AND HEBREW ON THE INTERNET THAT IT CAN TAKE ALMOST ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN A DAY AND EVERY DAY

I DO SEE THE TEACHING OF THE HEBREW /GREEK AS ANOTHER WAY TO SELL THE CIRCUMCISION OVER AGAIN

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I do agree it may help to establish truth from wrong about the use of a word

Thank you for Pierre for admitting that. The wrong that it may help is sometimes our own wrong. That would make taking a course worthwhile. I would rather take a course with a teacher with whom I can ask questions than look all over the internet. If I learned the language, eventually I would know the proper translation for myself and the error that comes across this message board and others like it.

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Quote I do agree it may help to establish truth from wrong about the use of a word Thank you for Pierre for admitting that. The wrong that it may help is sometimes our own wrong. That would make taking a course worthwhile. I would rather take a course with a teacher with whom I can ask questions than look all over the internet. If I learned the language, eventually I would know the proper translation for myself and the error that comes across this message board and others like it.

Yes, but a dictionary, or the strong numbers could give you the same thing ,no need to learn the languages ,Paul was not talking about the language wen he commanded Thimoty ,but about the truth in the message ,big difference

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Pierre, if understanding a language was not powerful there would have been no need for God to scramble the languages during the building of the tower of Babylon. Learning the language is much more than what Strong's numbers can give you although Strong's can be helpful. Btw, to learn the truth in the message, one has to understand the language the message is given in or translated in. If a message is translated several ways, knowing the language can help know why this is so and/or which translation is the clearest.

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Come on members…cast your vote, or maybe you are shy or wishy washy about how to vote. Take a stand. Don't just come on here and make one post after another about what you think the scripture says and arguing constantly about it. Let's see who is willing to put some time and energy into really learning what the scripture says. Are you willing??

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Pierre, if understanding a language was not powerful there would have been no need for God to scramble the languages during the building of the tower of Babylon. Learning the language is much more than what Strong's numbers can give you although Strong's can be helpful. Btw, to learn the truth in the message, one has to understand the language the message is given in or translated in. If a message is translated several ways, knowing the language can help know why this is so and/or which translation is the clearest.

I still disagree with you ,Kathy, it is very different learning a language in which you can not be involve directly ,AND THE HEBREW OF TODAY IS NOT TOTALLY THE SAME THAN WHAT WAS SPOKEN AT THE TIME OF JESUS AND SO IT IS WITH THE GREEK OF THAT TIME AND TODAY, SO NO MATTER WHAT ,YOU ONLY WILL HAVE ONLY A PART OF IT ,

AND I BELIEVE THAT THEIR IS ENOUGH DICTIONARIES,TRANSLATIONS OF THE WORDS INTO THOSE TWO LANGUAGES THAT SPEND THE TIME TO LEARN THOSE TWO LANGUAGES IN TODAY VIEW, IS NOT WORTHY THE TIME ,AND EFFORT ,BUT THAT IS MY PERSONAL VIEW ,

LOOK AT THE LOST DOTS (Vowel )

No one knows them

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Ok Pierre. I believe understanding God's Word through the original languages is worthy of ALL those who consider themselves serious Bible students' time and effort. So we disagree. Your answer is very telling. Is going round in circles on HN more worthy of your time and effort?

Btw, in Isaiah 8:13, the Hebrew does not translate correctly to LORD 'Almighty.' Look it up in your Strong's Concordance or your dictionarys. Also, can you tell me what part of speech that word, Strong's 6635, is in that sentence in the Hebrew? Also can you tell me if there is an article 'the' in the Hebrew where it says “the LORD?”

Isa 8:13
But the LORD of hosts (Strong's 6635), him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

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