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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:13) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:50) Does your faith not have the strength to stand consideration of it? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does this mean?
What happens to your faith in the event you allow yourself to learn about biology? Are you protecting it by
remaining ignorant?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:48) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:13) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:50) Does your faith not have the strength to stand consideration of it? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does this mean?
What happens to your faith in the event you allow yourself to learn about biology? Are you protecting it by
remaining ignorant?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Produce your evidence.
Did you understand the significance of endogenous retroviruses? How about the fact that all living species have DNA?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,21:57) Did you understand the significance of endogenous retroviruses? How about the fact that all living species have DNA? Stuart
Hi Stuart,I don't speak Greek?
You need a plan to build a house.I would rather show to you the proof that I have uncovered of God existence,
rather than to listen to interpretive assumptions you harvested off the internet.But if it makes you happy, I will listen to your presentation.
Even though you will not try to absorb the evidences I have of the “Proof of God”!Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,22:37) You need a plan to build a house.
DNA is not a plan. It is more like a recipe. And the point is that all life is based on DNA, we don't find any species that use some other system. As you know, life begets life and all ancestors of all known living things had DNA. Take that backwards in time and you must reach a common ancestor.Do you understand the retroviruses? Insert a strange bit of DNA, a “marker”, into a common ancestor and that bit of DNA will appear only in the descendents of that ancestor. Viruses have been leaving bits of DNA in our genomes for hundreds of millions of years. We have the same virus DNA on exactly the same chromosomes as chimpazees but not gorillas. Other viruses appear in all three species. There is no virus DNA shared by humans and gorillas that is not also shared by chimps, so therefore humans and chimps split much more recently than the split with gorillas.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,22:37) You need a plan to build a house.
DNA is not a plan. It is more like a recipe.Stuart
Hi Stu,Excellent point! You need a recipe to make a stew!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) As you know, life begets life… Stuart
Hi Stuart,That FACT alone cuts off Your monkey mischief assertions at the knees.
You are attempting to start in the middle of a story and misappropriate the FACTS!
If you cannot offer a reasonable explanation for my two questions, your origin explanation becomes moot!Please explain how the universe can come from nothing exploding, into complex order?
Also attempt to explain how life can originate from non-life chemicals,
take your time, even if it takes you 5 million years or so.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:34) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?
How many virus remains do you need to see in the same places in each species, and how many different species do you need to see that have numbers of differences in their DNA that correspond exactly to how different their fossil remains are, before you reach a conclusion based on the evidence rather than on a prior commitment to Bronze-Age mythology?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:34) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?
How many virus remains do you need to see in the same places in each species, and how many different species do you need to see that have numbers of differences in their DNA that correspond exactly to how different their fossil remains are, before you reach a conclusion based on the evidence rather than on a prior commitment to Bronze-Age mythology?Stuart
Hi Stuart,What would cause you to believe virus remains in DNA would cause
(according to Stewart) species to change into different species?
Because viruses mutate, does NOT mean mammals mutate.
One has nothing to do with the other?Your analogy is comparable to studying the Earth
to suggest what Neptune is like? hardly a facet of real Science?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Stuart,
I offer you “Proof of God”;
based on an intertwined pattern
that CANNOT be explained by anything
except intelligent manipulation having occurred
over large timescales; interwoven through three Biblical
languages interconnecting through the structure of numbers, which
also include prime numbers counterparts; helping to form “The Big Picture”.You scoff at this information, clearly because you don't understand it!
You would like to asses it as saying: it is like you're saying you
have found 20 blue marbles amongst 2000 marbles.But that is an unrealistic assessment. A more accurate assessment would be:
like finding 5 diamonds ranging from carat weights of 74 to 117 amongst 151 various other rocks.
Clearly don't understand the significance of the Scientific data that I have been presenting to you! (2Peter 3:3-7)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,00:18) Hi Stuart, I offer you “Proof of God”;
based on an intertwined pattern
that CANNOT be explained by anything
except intelligent manipulation having occurred
over large timescales; interwoven through three Biblical
languages interconnecting through the structure of numbers, which
also include prime numbers counterparts; helping to form “The Big Picture”.You scoff at this information, clearly because you don't understand it!
You would like to asses it as saying: it is like you're saying you
have found 20 blue marbles amongst 2000 marbles.But that is an unrealistic assessment. A more accurate assessment would be:
like finding 5 diamonds ranging from carat weights of 74 to 117 amongst 151 various other rocks.
Clearly don't understand the significance of the Scientific data that I have been presenting to you! (2Peter 3:3-7)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, actually it is like saying you had a bag of 2000 marbles of all different colours and you carefully selected 20 blue marbles and said “look, all the marbles I found are blue”!Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,23:47) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:34) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?
How many virus remains do you need to see in the same places in each species, and how many different species do you need to see that have numbers of differences in their DNA that correspond exactly to how different their fossil remains are, before you reach a conclusion based on the evidence rather than on a prior commitment to Bronze-Age mythology?Stuart
Hi Stuart,What would cause you to believe virus remains in DNA would cause
(according to Stewart) species to change into different species?
Because viruses mutate, does NOT mean mammals mutate.
One has nothing to do with the other?Your analogy is comparable to studying the Earth
to suggest what Neptune is like? hardly a facet of real Science?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. The viruses have not caused anything. They are just markers that demonstrate for example that the great apes share a common ancestor.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 27 2010,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,00:18) Hi Stuart, I offer you “Proof of God”;
based on an intertwined pattern
that CANNOT be explained by anything
except intelligent manipulation having occurred
over large timescales; interwoven through three Biblical
languages interconnecting through the structure of numbers, which
also include prime numbers counterparts; helping to form “The Big Picture”.You scoff at this information, clearly because you don't understand it!
You would like to asses it as saying: it is like you're saying you
have found 20 blue marbles amongst 2000 marbles.But that is an unrealistic assessment. A more accurate assessment would be:
like finding 5 diamonds ranging from carat weights of 74 to 117 amongst 151 various other rocks.
Clearly don't understand the significance of the Scientific data that I have been presenting to you! (2Peter 3:3-7)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, actually it is like saying you had a bag of 2000 marbles of all different colours and you carefully selected 20 blue marbles and said “look, all the marbles I found are blue”!Stuart
Hi Stuart,I knew I read your lack of comprehension correctly!
Is that not what I said you were (in essence) saying?
You have turned you back to the “Proof of God”=117!Jer.32:33-34 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face:
though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have
not hearkened to receive instruction. But they set their (evolutionary lie)
abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. Jer.2:27
Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth:
for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble
they will (certainly) say, Arise (God), and save us.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 27 2010,00:37) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,23:47) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:34) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?
How many virus remains do you need to see in the same places in each species, and how many different species do you need to see that have numbers of differences in their DNA that correspond exactly to how different their fossil remains are, before you reach a conclusion based on the evidence rather than on a prior commitment to Bronze-Age mythology?Stuart
Hi Stuart,What would cause you to believe virus remains in DNA would cause
(according to Stewart) species to change into different species?
Because viruses mutate, does NOT mean mammals mutate.
One has nothing to do with the other?Your analogy is comparable to studying the Earth
to suggest what Neptune is like? hardly a facet of real Science?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. The viruses have not caused anything. They are just markers that demonstrate for example that the great apes share a common ancestor.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Based solely on your rejection of God, your read is nothing
but a offer of substitution with absolutely no substance whatsoever!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,00:59) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 27 2010,00:37) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,23:47) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:34) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,19:17) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2010,07:54) Do you understand the retroviruses? Stuart
Hi Stuart,What does a virus have to do with mammalian life?
Retroviruses incorporate their genomes into our chromosomes. If the cell infected is a germ cell (one that is or becomes a sperm or egg cell) then the virus DNA will be passed on to future generations.Because our chromosomes are almost exactly the same as chimpanzee chromosomes we can see some retoviruses that have left their same genome in exactly the same place on the same chromosome in both species. With so many such identical virus remnants, the only reasonable explanation is common ancestry.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are discounting the similarity in make up of these two species to begin with,
plus an invasive virus could have infected both species at the same point simultaneously.
Have you considered these possibilities? Or is your view completely shaded by Atheistic biases?
How many virus remains do you need to see in the same places in each species, and how many different species do you need to see that have numbers of differences in their DNA that correspond exactly to how different their fossil remains are, before you reach a conclusion based on the evidence rather than on a prior commitment to Bronze-Age mythology?Stuart
Hi Stuart,What would cause you to believe virus remains in DNA would cause
(according to Stewart) species to change into different species?
Because viruses mutate, does NOT mean mammals mutate.
One has nothing to do with the other?Your analogy is comparable to studying the Earth
to suggest what Neptune is like? hardly a facet of real Science?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. The viruses have not caused anything. They are just markers that demonstrate for example that the great apes share a common ancestor.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Based solely on your rejection of God, your read is nothing
but a offer of substitution with absolutely no substance whatsoever!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What has your Imaginary Friend got to do with this? Can't you stay on-topic and address the question of the facts we find and the conclusions that can reasonably be drawn from them?If you want to talk science, you will have to provide a better explanation if you don't like the one that biologists around the world use in their everyday work.
Stuart
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