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Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 20 2006,01:46) Debra, Many have called me arrogant, but it is not that I am arrogant. It is because I refuse to compromise the Word of God. I will not compromise the Word of God. We cannot eat at the table of God and that of Satan.
Your words sadden me, yet do not surprise me. Most who compromise the Word of God respond the same way as you. I know you think I am being harsh, but do you know how many souls are going to be lost because of compromising God's Word. People today just do not realize the danger they are in. This deception has such a stronghold on the world that most will not break from it's grasp. That is why so few will be saved.
So, know that the only good in me comes by my becoming less of myself and allowing Christ to work his perfect work through me. For there is no good in me other then my faith in Christ Jesus. And through him and by him, I will be saved. The more I grow in Christ, the less I become of this sinful nature, the more I mortify this sinful flesh. So lift up Holy Hands unto the Lord, for he inhabits the praises of the saints.
Jesus lived a life without sin because I cannot. And only by allowing him to live through me can I escape the hold sin has upon me. He is the quickening spirit.
I am no better then anyone else and have not once claimed to be. The only difference between those standing for Christ is there are those who compromise his Word and there are those who do not. That is the difference. Those who compromise his Word say they are believers with their lips, but their hearts are not right. For if their hearts were right, they would not compromise the Word of God. They would not think it is alright to compromise the Word of God. They would know which translations have been compromised.
Gal. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Matt. 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matt. 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matt. 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Hi H
Call it what you want, I still think it's arrogance .
Didn't Jesus sit at the tables of taxcollectors, very unsavory types of His time, there were probably many there who weren't in the catogory of ” Good Types”.How do I and others compromise the Word of God?
I don't think you are being harsh, but have you ever concidered a less offensive way of not compromising Gods's Word?
Arn't we supposed to be as gentle as doves?
You go for the throats of your opponents, You are always putting people down because they don't agree with the way you see things. And then your the victim, you are so easily provoked.
I'm being harsh now, don't won't to sadden you, sorry but…
You boast of your authority by making comments like (not your words but my understanding of what you said) the Holy Spirit or God told me… Don't you think God talks to anyone else on this forum? you come across as if God asked you to keep this forum on track, like your the overseerer. If Nick's fate was at hand, why would God tell you of all people about it.
I have a hard time being tolorent of believers like yourself, and your not the first one I've come across and won't be the last.I call a spade a spade, I don't really play with words much, but I at all times am aware of peoples feelings. Your approach would never work in the real world.
Saving Souls isn't our job, bringing people to know Jesus as the saviour is what I think we are meant to do, tell everyone you know and those you don't know, give it to them straight, and then be available to walk with them for as long as they need, be an encourager and uplifter, and show the human face of Jesus by loving and careing. This works too.
None of us is good enough, we are all guilty of sin, so we shouldn't point our finger at anyone, because there are always 3 fingers pointing back at us.Sorry if I offend you, it's called tough love.
Dear Debra,
For centuries, the church has been corrupted and has been teaching the doctrines of men. They claim they are teaching the gospel of Christ, but if they were, would they not be of the same spirit, would they not hear his voice? This doctrine is not a new doctrine and in fact, it is older then any that is taught today, for it is the doctrine of Christ. It is the Word and those who hear his voice will know him. Those who are of the same spirit will understand the Words of truth.
If a man is not right in his heart, if a man does not go to the foot of the cross in all humility, will his offering be accepted by the Father? Will the man be saved? It is easy to ask for forgiveness, but if the man is not truely repentant in his heart, do you think he will be forgiven?
Is this not the same mistake made by those Isralites who took animal sacrifices, but did not have a repentant heart? Do you believe that because they took the animal sacrifice they were seen as righteous? Does not God know the hearts of men? If these men did not have a repentant heart, if these men did not believe in the promise that was to come, that is Christ the Lord, they would not have been seen as righteous and their souls would have been cast in hell.
So when we ask for forgiveness, are we to become complacant as did those Isralites whose souls were cast into hell? Would not all who do the same suffer the same fate? So I say when we ask for forgiveness, we must ask with the unmost humility. We must be sincere. But, to do this, we must have the love of Christ is us. For it is only through him do we have hope of escaping hell fire.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 20 2006,23:59) Dear Debra, For centuries, the church has been corrupted and has been teaching the doctrines of men. They claim they are teaching the gospel of Christ, but if they were, would they not be of the same spirit, would they not hear his voice? This doctrine is not a new doctrine and in fact, it is older then any that is taught today, for it is the doctrine of Christ. It is the Word and those who hear his voice will know him. Those who are of the same spirit will understand the Words of truth.
If a man is not right in his heart, if a man does not go to the foot of the cross in all humility, will his offering be accepted by the Father? Will the man be saved? It is easy to ask for forgiveness, but if the man is not truely repentant in his heart, do you think he will be forgiven?
Is this not the same mistake made by those Isralites who took animal sacrifices, but did not have a repentant heart? Do you believe that because they took the animal sacrifice they were seen as righteous? Does not God know the hearts of men? If these men did not have a repentant heart, if these men did not believe in the promise that was to come, that is Christ the Lord, they would not have been seen as righteous and their souls would have been cast in hell.
So when we ask for forgiveness, are we to become complacant as did those Isralites whose souls were cast into hell? Would not all who do the same suffer the same fate? So I say when we ask for forgiveness, we must ask with the unmost humility. We must be sincere. But, to do this, we must have the love of Christ is us. For it is only through him do we have hope of escaping hell fire.
Hi H
I agree with you on forgiveness, we can ask someone for foregiveness for something we have done wrong, but unless we truly are sorry it's just a con job to buy us back into the fold.
And yes, we cannot forgive in our own strength. We have to also understand why it is important to forgive someone. If we don't forgive wrong done to us we carry unforgiveness around in our hearts and it poisons us.
I know this to be true, a terrible wrong was done to me once, being the only Christian in my family, my reaction to this was different to theirs. They couldn't get it why I wasn't wanting revenge, they wanted blood because they love me and saw the pain I was in. I gave the whole thing to Jesus, I put it at the foot of the cross, and said ” Lord I want revenge, but because You died for me, I know I must forgive. In my own strength I can do nothing, but with you all things are possible.” It was a wonderful moment with Jesus.
Are we on a new topic H? I'd enjoy a topic on Forgiveness is there anyone else who'd like to chat about forgiveness?
Good to chat H.Quote I'd enjoy a topic on Forgiveness is there anyone else who'd like to chat about forgiveness? I would, as one who was forgiven much.
Quote (Debra @ Oct. 21 2006,13:20) Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 20 2006,23:59) Dear Debra, For centuries, the church has been corrupted and has been teaching the doctrines of men. They claim they are teaching the gospel of Christ, but if they were, would they not be of the same spirit, would they not hear his voice? This doctrine is not a new doctrine and in fact, it is older then any that is taught today, for it is the doctrine of Christ. It is the Word and those who hear his voice will know him. Those who are of the same spirit will understand the Words of truth.
If a man is not right in his heart, if a man does not go to the foot of the cross in all humility, will his offering be accepted by the Father? Will the man be saved? It is easy to ask for forgiveness, but if the man is not truely repentant in his heart, do you think he will be forgiven?
Is this not the same mistake made by those Isralites who took animal sacrifices, but did not have a repentant heart? Do you believe that because they took the animal sacrifice they were seen as righteous? Does not God know the hearts of men? If these men did not have a repentant heart, if these men did not believe in the promise that was to come, that is Christ the Lord, they would not have been seen as righteous and their souls would have been cast in hell.
So when we ask for forgiveness, are we to become complacant as did those Isralites whose souls were cast into hell? Would not all who do the same suffer the same fate? So I say when we ask for forgiveness, we must ask with the unmost humility. We must be sincere. But, to do this, we must have the love of Christ is us. For it is only through him do we have hope of escaping hell fire.
Hi H
I agree with you on forgiveness, we can ask someone for foregiveness for something we have done wrong, but unless we truly are sorry it's just a con job to buy us back into the fold.
And yes, we cannot forgive in our own strength. We have to also understand why it is important to forgive someone. If we don't forgive wrong done to us we carry unforgiveness around in our hearts and it poisons us.
I know this to be true, a terrible wrong was done to me once, being the only Christian in my family, my reaction to this was different to theirs. They couldn't get it why I wasn't wanting revenge, they wanted blood because they love me and saw the pain I was in. I gave the whole thing to Jesus, I put it at the foot of the cross, and said ” Lord I want revenge, but because You died for me, I know I must forgive. In my own strength I can do nothing, but with you all things are possible.” It was a wonderful moment with Jesus.
Are we on a new topic H? I'd enjoy a topic on Forgiveness is there anyone else who'd like to chat about forgiveness?
Good to chat H.
Good word.Hi Seekingtruth
You and me both brother.
The Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:12)..”Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven out debtors”…Literally means “Set us free from the obligation to suffer for our sins as we have set free the obligation to suffer, those who have sinned against us.”
Seems like a good starting point don't you think?
Q. Do you believe Jesus died for every sin you have committed in your whole life?
Q Do you believe Jesus died for every sin that has been committed against you by someone else?
Colossians 3:13 says, “Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.We forgive not on the basis that the offender deserves it or that we are super- spiritual. No, we forgive on the basis that Jesus paid the price for their sin against us
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This was written as a tract by a local pastor in my area…
The Five-Step Model Towards Forgiveness – by Graeme Cann.Step 1:..Own your own negative emotions as your own. Stop blaming others for how you feel.
The hurt and anger you carry may be the result of someone else's sin against you, and they are to blame for what they have done, eg in sexual abuse, the abuser is always to blame. But the fact that you are still angry and bitter is the result of your choice. The abuser is not responsible for your anger, you are! That is good news because, if they were responsible for it, you could never get free. But if you except your negative emotions as your own you can do something about it
.Step 2:..Identify destructive behaviours which arise from your negative emotions..If you carry hurt and anger around it will come out in destructive hehaviour against self and others. Instead of focusing on what that person didi to you, now focus on what you have done in hurting others because of your anger, eg. put- downs, sarcasm, impatience, self- pity, ect..
Step 3:..Confess your destructive behaviours and except His forgiveness..In order to be able to forgive, it is important to recieve forgiveness for your negative attitudes and behaviours.
Step 4:..Forgive the person you have always blamed for your negative feelings..Set them free from the obligation to suffer for what they have done to you. Remember Jesus paid the price for their sin against you. You choose to no longer blame them for the anger in your life. While they are responsible for their actions, it is important to release them to God for Him to deal .with. You, however, need to set them free from the obligation to suffer at your hand. Why? Because the price for their sin has been paid. What they do then with God's offer of forgiveness is between them and God (see Ephesians 4:31-32)
Step 5:Raise up the painful memory as a memorial (reminder) of the healing rather than a memorial of the hurt..
You may well know the saying, “I can forgive but I can't forget”
The mind has an amazing recall button that, if pushed, all the old feelings can resurface. When the recall button gets pushed, instead of focusing on the painful memory, focus on the degree of healing. Turn your tombstones into milestones. Tombstones remind you of pain, grief and loss, whereas milestones tell you how far you've come. Whenever the recall button is pushed, begin to thank God that this no longer reminds you of the pain but of the healing.If we are going to have a thead on forgiveness, it should be done on a different thread and I believe there is already on in existance.
The reason I posted it here was so that you know it is in me to forgive and on this I have always said. You are very right though that one of the problems we have when forgiving others is the enemy likes to remind us of these who have hurt us. He tries to make us take back what we have already forgiven. He knows that for us to be forgiven, we must be able to forgive and if he can plant a seed of unforgiveness in our hearts, he has won.
The other reason is how some have attempted to bless me as said in scripture to bless your enemies. This is why I posted this on forgiveness.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 22 2006,14:04) If we are going to have a thead on forgiveness, it should be done on a different thread and I believe there is already on in existance. The reason I posted it here was so that you know it is in me to forgive and on this I have always said. You are very right though that one of the problems we have when forgiving others is the enemy likes to remind us of these who have hurt us. He tries to make us take back what we have already forgiven. He knows that for us to be forgiven, we must be able to forgive and if he can plant a seed of unforgiveness in our hearts, he has won.
The other reason is how some have attempted to bless me as said in scripture to bless your enemies. This is why I posted this on forgiveness.
Hi H
Ok I'm fine with that, I didin't know there was a thread on forgiveness. I'll find it and continue on there.Quote (Debra @ Oct. 22 2006,21:00) Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 22 2006,14:04) If we are going to have a thead on forgiveness, it should be done on a different thread and I believe there is already on in existance. The reason I posted it here was so that you know it is in me to forgive and on this I have always said. You are very right though that one of the problems we have when forgiving others is the enemy likes to remind us of these who have hurt us. He tries to make us take back what we have already forgiven. He knows that for us to be forgiven, we must be able to forgive and if he can plant a seed of unforgiveness in our hearts, he has won.
The other reason is how some have attempted to bless me as said in scripture to bless your enemies. This is why I posted this on forgiveness.
Hi H
Ok I'm fine with that, I didin't know there was a thread on forgiveness. I'll find it and continue on there.
Hi H
I've found the thread on forgiveness.
Talk to you there.Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 22 2006,23:12) Dear Debra, Is the post in doctrines?
Hi H
I'ts in new posts, I hadn't pressed that button before, I'm still finding my way around. Can you tell me how to post a section of a quote from someone instead of the whole quote coming up when I reply?I use the quote, then erase everything except the “[quot]” at the beginning, what you want to leave, and then the “[/quot] at the end and it will put only what you leave between the “quotes” in a box. NOTE: I had to drop the “e” from quote to get it to not do it.
If it is a short section just hit the quote box above where you enter your post, copy and paste in what you want to quote, then hit the quote box again.
Hi,
The wolf so controls the “flock” now that heresy has become orthodoxy that men everywhere are smugly defending their traditions AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. God will win. It is better to be found among His few friends than popular among the masses.the curses that paul teaches are of the anti christ ,not jesus for jesus is love.can curseing and blessing come forth from the same vessel ,no,this vessel is luke warm neither hot nor cold.yet GOD will judge all.repent to the father for the curseing,for he is quick to forgive,and he loves you,may he lead you into all truth.jesus spoke the truth.
there is nothing wrong with casting out demons,or healing the sick,even on a public site,yet these are just works,and if you cast out spirits before one is ready to fully turn to the lord, thier house will be found empty,and they will be worse of than before,so be very carfull in these things,for the name of jesus is powerful and above every princapality.but ask him his will !!! for if you cast out demons from someone, know these are there familiar spirits,there friends,and often as soon as they are cast out ,the person is inviteing them back in.yet what is bound on earth is bound in heaven.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 07 2006,04:30) I ask all to not hold Nick accountable. It makes it's presense known when discovered and we must not blame the man. I ask that all pray for deliverance of this man. The hatred does not come from the man, but the forces controlling the man. We must pray for the man that he be delivered. It is not flesh and bone we war against, but principalities in high places.
I think “the man” is still responsible for his sins, and nick's many blasphemous statements concerning the nature of God will need to be accounted for and atoned for… either Nick can try and do this himself, or he can can repudiate his false teachings and receive forgiveness….. God does not put sins in hell, he puts the people who committed those sins which have not been atoned for in hell…. but, by all means, we should pray for him… and all those who teach the anti trinitarian heresy, and pray for all those led astray by nick personally, and those who have come to this site and have swallowed the doctrine of demons and fallen away because of the very purpose of this site…. pray that they may come back to the truth before it is too late….blessings
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