Wines of Scripture, the Blessed and the Cursed…

[Anonymous]

Wines of Scripture, the Blessed and the Cursed

…a quotation from previous post –

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But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. Daniel 1:8

Do we purpose in our own hearts, daily, to serve the Lord with all our being, no matter what may come and not to defile ourselves with the things and ways of Babylon?  Will we stand upon the Rock and unmovable commandments and principles of the Word of God, or shall we compromise in the least of things, thinking “What harm shall befall me?”

Make no mistake, we are surrounded by Babylon and Babylonians, and we are to trust in God and cling unto Him, and continue in abiding in Him and His ways and Commandments come what may, but we needn't be arrogant in so doing, but submitted to His will in humility.  Notice that Daniel did not storm about seeking to overthrow the whole thing, or attack his captors with his utensils, but rather sought by asking first.

Why would such a thing as diet matter to Daniel?  He knew it involved the Commandments of God, which in turn would affect not only his body, but also mind and heart – thus affecting eternal salvation.  For what is eaten does so affect how we think and how to react and feel and how we worship.  Consider Adam and Eve, before and after the tree.  God is clear in His Word about not eating anything that is identified as “unclean” or “abomination” [Deuteronomy 14:3; etc] and alcoholic content is forbidden in the Bible [Habakkuk 2:5; etc], for it is a tool of death and destruction.  God has much to say upon what we may partake of and place into these Holy Temples.

In the Beginning, God, created the Earth [Genesis 1:1], and upon that Earth He made man [Genesis 1:26], Adam [Genesis 2:19] and from Adam, He, made Eve [Genesis 1:27, 2:22], and thus all of mankind in them [Acts 17:26; 1 Corinthians 15:22].

The food to which humans were to eat were not flesh, but originally were to eat of the Fruits from the Seed Bearing Plants and Seed Bearing Trees [Genesis 1:29; 2:9] and to all of the animals he also gave plants [Genesis 1:30]. This was before the sin of mankind.

After the sin of mankind [Genesis 3:17], God also then gave to Adam and Eve the green herbs and plants of the field [Genesis 3:18]. Yet still no flesh was to be eaten, even when the first sacrifice took place [Genesis 3:21], the lamb slain at the foundation of the world [Revelation 13:8] which was to be repeated [Genesis 4:4] until Christ's death [Galatians 4:2; Hebrews 9:10] when the sacrifice was to cease [Daniel 9:27; Hebrews 10:12], the flesh was not eaten but burned upon the altar [Genesis 8:20], and the blood poured upon the ground and was never to be eaten at all [Genesis 9:4] and the fat offered to God [Genesis 4:4; Exodus 29:13] and not to be eaten [Leviticus 7:23].

Before the Flood, God told Noah to take aboard the Ark, 7 pairs of the Clean beasts [Genesis 7:2] and a pair of the Unclean beasts [Genesis 7:2]. God made the distinction well before Moses and so Noah knew about the division of the animals as God had given them, for God does not change [Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 1:12, 13:8; James 1:17], neither His Word [Psalms 89:34] and all of scripture is for instruction in Righteousness [2 Timothy 3:16], line upon line [Isaiah 28:10]. And Noah was a Preacher of Righteousness [2 Peter 2:5].

It was only after the Flood that God allowed the Flesh of creatures to be consumed [Genesis 9:3], but notice carefully the words used in this passage of Genesis, for God even makes distinction about what can and cannot be eaten even here, as He says, “even as the green herb of the field”. There were even restrictions there, for there were poisonous plants and even thorns [Genesis 3:18] upon the earth after sin, that also could not be eaten. Noah knew that the Fat was already the LORD's and the Flesh with the Blood still in it and the Blood itself was to never be eaten [Genesis 9:4], but Noah also knew about the distinction between Clean and Unclean already [Genesis 7:2]. Which God also gave to Moses and the Israelites Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14; etc] for their good.

After the Flood, the age of mankind fell from the near millennial range [930 for Adam [Genesis 5:5], 969 for Methuselah [Genesis 5:27] 950 for Noah [Genesis 9:29]] to a mere hundred or so years [120 Moses [Deuteronomy 34:7]]. For God had said, for every animal slain that He would require its blood at the hand of mankind [Genesis 9:5]. But God nowhere ever said that the Unclean could be eaten at all and never lifted His Command against eating them.

God said of the Unclean and the Abomination: “Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.” [Deuteronomy 14:3]

God spoke of those who would choose to ignore His laws on what could and could not be eaten that they would face judgment: “They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.” [Isaiah 66:17]

God said of the coming Kingdom: “And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.” [Revelation 21:27]

The Commandments of God on the food can be especially seen in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and were Holy Laws, for it contains these words: “…be ye therefore Holy, for I am Holy…” [Leviticus 11:44;p, etc] and were for our protection and health [Exodus 15:26] and well being [3 John 1:2] and is restated in the New Testament [1 Peter 1:16] and whatsoever we do, we should do to the Glory of God [1 Corinthians 10:31] and it is impossible in disobedience.

God would never accept an Unclean animal as a sacrifice, and did not want them in the Sanctuary [Deuteronomy 7:26]. And God says to us, “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”< /font> [1 Corinthians 3:16].

God even told us to be careful even about eating that which was Clean, and if they were going to be eaten, that they should be eaten sparingly, moderately and lightly.

The example of the Children in the Wilderness was for our example, that they ate of the Bread from Heaven and Water from the Rock, and when they complained they were fed flesh [Numbers 11:4], and they gorged themselves and a plague broke out, even upon clean food.

But after 40 years of miracles and being fed by God of manna and water, that which was good [Deuteronomy 29:5-6], none of them were sick neither ill [Nehemiah 9:20,21], but each strong going into the promised land, [Deuteronomy 6:24, 11:8] and none feeble [Psalms 105:37].

For in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will be no such thing as animal death either [Isaiah 11:9, 65:25; Revelation 21:4].

God is going to restore us to the Edenic plan.

Remember, the whole issue of obedience to the Word of God started over what mankind was told Not to Eat [Genesis 2:17, 3:11]. Should we not carefully consider the Commandments of God on food and drink, and eat that which is Good? [Isaiah 55:2]

There are several texts in the New Testament [and even a few in the Old Testament] which are used by many and are “wrested” and they also who “twist” the Word of God unto their own destruction. Peter warns against doing this [2 Peter 3:16], and so we are warned in advance [Galatians 6:7-8].

Here are those primary [misunderstood and misused] Texts:

Genesis 9
Matthew 15; Mark 7
Acts 10, 11 and 15
Romans 14
1 Corinthians 8, 10
Galatians 3 and 4
Ephesians 2
Colossians 2
1 Timothy 4
Titus 1

…and each may be considered in full, even in depth and detail, verily revealing that God's Health laws stand to be obeyed, and any that transgress will reap what they have sown.

Here is the main point on diet:

Jesus wants us to have abundant life, not weakened and sickened and diseased life [John 10:10]. Jesus also gives us commandments concerning that which is good to drink and to stay away from things like “alcohol” [fermented 'wine'] and “stimulants”.

And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free. [John 8:32]

Let these things be 'digested'…

…take some time, 'chew slowly', and really consider the whole [wheat] of scripture on these subjects, for in so doing, a great amount of light will be shed, and health will come because these things of God are obeyed.  Knowing that there are questions, and even thoughts which arise, simply go to the scriptures and ask God in prayer, “What is Truth?” and He will reveal it, even “line upon line”.  We may look together.

For Daniel, in obeying the Lord, became wiser and stronger.

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This doctrine was questioned.

What does the Bible have to say about Wine and about Alcohol.  We shall consider the scriptures in full here.

[Anonymous]

The “Wines” Of The Bible

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Let us begin this study on the “Wines” of the Bible:

There are two 'kinds' of Wine in the Scriptures [and this will be thoroughly shown from Genesis to Revelation]:

one of Blessing
…and the other of Cursing,

one of Life
…and the other of Death,

one of Joy/Happiness/Peace
…and the other of Woe/Sorrow/Strife,

one of FATHER/CHRIST JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT/GOD
…and the other of Babylon/Belial/Serpent/Devil/Satan/Dragon.

This study is primarily not dealing with the “amount” of each wine, for that is the not the main consideration [though it will also be addressed], but rather the primary search is about the very “nature” itself of these two 'kinds' of wines.  Thus once the “nature” of them is revealed from scripture, the “amount” discussion becomes easier, for it is obvious that there can never be any “amount” of “wickedness” sanctioned should one prove to be so.

We shall understand that from each 'wine', that they are a tree which will be known by its very fruit.

Shall we consider the sciptures in total?

However, before doing so, please allow the scriptures to reiterate upon a certain point, namely, that scripture determines scripture, even line upon line.  If we do not agree with scripture, that is, of course, each of our own decisions to make, but afterward then let us not attempt to “wrest” the scriptures to make them say that which they do not .

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

Now is that time, spoken so clearly of by Paul to Timothy, moreso than ever before in the history of the world.  Truly every wind of doctrine is blowing… and the most deceptive and worst is yet to come, and anyone not building their house upon the unchanging Rock, the Word of God, but instead upon the ever shifting sands, will fall.  Let us all take heed:

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19

A Study Of The Scriptures:

Before this study, upon 'Wines' of the Bible, is begun, it must be said, that like any other subject of the scriptures [on any topic], it is not difficult to discern, not obscured from view, not hidden in a corner of the varied and ancient manuscripts that it must be pried loose from a dark and dusty place, and gone over by specialists with x-rays and ultraviolet lighting – for it is either plain before us, or it is absent altogether, there are no other options. It is either True or False, of the Truth of God or of a Lie of Satan, since there are only two primary spirits in this world, that of GOD, and that of devils…

[1.] [GOD] “…the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you…” [Romans 8:11;p]

[2.] [satan/devils] “…the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:” [Ephesians 2:2;p]

Jesus gave His obedient and faithful believers/followers the Holy Spirit…

“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:” John 15:26

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:13

“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” 1 Thessalonians 2:13

“But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:10

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:11

“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:12

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” 1 Corinthians 2:13

…and so along with the Holy Spirit, He also gave the scriptures so that we might have True Light, even abundantly, and left it even for the smallest child to learn from.  The Bible is no closed book, and its pages are open to all who are honestly seeking to know the Truth…

This is not some new understanding of the scriptures, for we know that the whole of scripture works this way, even “line upon line”:

“For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:” Isaiah 28:10

And yet for those which do not follow the prescribed methods of God in study, and yet seek to “wrest” the scriptures, then this:

“But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.” Isaiah 28:13

– therefore, let us be not fearful of what we may find, but instead consider a precept, doctrine or teaching [any precept, doctrine or teaching] and begin in Genesis 1:1 and go through [using whatever helps available, Concordance, Computer search, etc] until the end of Revelation 22:21 is reached, comparing scripture with scripture and then ask the question, “Were there found in the mouths of two or three plain witnesses such a precept,
doctrine or teaching as we are currently considering?”

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:21

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15

“And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.” 1 Corinthians 14:32

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20

Now if it seems there be a handful of texts, which seems to be in contradiction, and perhaps not so clear as the majority of others on the subject, then it is obvious what must be done, for they which are not so clear, or seem to contradict, are the fence posts that are sitting outside of the remainder of the whole agreement of scripture and must be found to be studied more closely until the light from them clearly lines up with the rest. For if we were to merely run with the handful, and ignore the volumes of texts which teach something very plainly in opposition to, then we are in danger of breaking the scriptures with our pre-suppositions.

And some might say, “Why all of this, we know all of this already?”, and yet do we?, and so let it be said again and let it be known that:

“…the scripture cannot be broken.” John 10:35;p, and yet if someone believes that they can, they it must be said that they do not have the basic concepts of the scriptures to begin with and must be shown the truth of the matter with much evidence and prayer.

“…God, that cannot lie…” Titus 1:2;p

“That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie…” Hebrews 6:18;p

“All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Timothy 3:16

“The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” Psalms 12:6

“[As for] God, his way [is] perfect;the word of the LORD [is] tried: he [is] a buckler to all them that trust in him.” 2 Samuel 22:31

“[As for] God, his way [is] perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he [is] a buckler to all those that trust in him.” Psalms 18:30

“LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.” Psalms 119:89

And we are warned in Scripture about our correct use of Scripture, and that we are not to “wrest”, neither mishandle it deceitfully:

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:6

So also of the Ten Commandments…

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2

…and in Revelation again [which covers the “Everlasting Gospel” from Creation to Re-Creation, Beginning to End]…

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:” Revelation 22:18

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19

For even Balaam knew better, though a hypocrite, he said:

“And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more.” Numbers 22:18

“If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the commandment of the LORD, to do [either] good or bad of mine own mind; [but] what the LORD saith, that will I speak?” Numbers 24:13

And yet even finally, Jesus said it would be easily obvious:

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself. John 7:17

“…Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.” John 18:37;p

…it really is that simple…

Therefore, let us clearly understand that “…no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation…” [2 Peter 1:20;p], and make no mistake in judgment, as we are dealing with prophecy here, and so let us be like the more noble Bereans, which were “…more noble than those in Thessalonica…” [Acts 17:11;p], even “…rightly dividing the word of truth…” [2 Timothy 2:15;p] following the commandments of Jesus, even to “…search the scriptures…” [John 5:29;p] so that we “Quench not the Spirit.” [1 Thessalonians 5:19] and “…grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” [Ephesians 4:30;p].

Now, please, let us all come together unto God and His Word, in humility, meekness, supplication and prayer, seeking and asking to know more fully His will, for He says, “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…” [Isaiah 1:18;p]

…therefore, it should be obvious that we can prayerfully enter into the Word of God together, and seek the LORD and His righteousness, can come together and reason, and see the same light revealed therein.

So when we hear the word of truth [John 17:17] being preached, our hearts will be pricked [Psalms 73:1; Acts 2:37], and the Holy Spirit will convict us of sin, righteousness and judgment [John 16:8].

We cannot neglect, in this study upon “wines” in the scripture without also speaking upon the very subject of health in the scripture and how it also relates to our connection with God in His worship and in our daily lives with each other and our spirituality.

Can food affect those things?  jsut ask Adam and Eve after their change in diet.  If so food, then what also of drink?

So, the Beginning texts upon this, to always keep in mind throughout are:

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do,
do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31

And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; Leviticus 10:10

Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I [am] the LORD your God. Leviticus 20:7

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 1 Peter 1:15

Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 1 Peter 1:16

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. John 10:10

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. 3 John 1:2

Let us also ask, at the outset, “Is there a dual use for the word “wine” in common language and is there such a use in the scriptures?” Let us look, and see that the answer is “Yes.”

[Anonymous]

So, it was previously stated in answer to the question “Is there a dual use for the word “wine” in common langauge and is there such a use in the scriptures?”, that the answer is “Yes.”

Well, in demonstrating the accuracy in saying “Yes” to the first half of the question:

“Wine – noun

… [3]. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc. …” [Wine, definition] – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wine

“Wine – noun

… something that invigorates or intoxicates …” [Wine, definition] – http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wine

And for additional purposes…

See that word, “intoxicate”?  What does the word “intoxicate” mean?

Word Definition:

“Intoxicate – transitive verb

1 poison

2 a : to excite or stupefy by alcohol or a drug especially to the point where physical and mental control is markedly diminished b : to excite or elate to the point of enthusiasm or frenzy” [Intoxicate, definition] – http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intoxicate

Let us also ask a very basic question pertaining to these, “Can a person who is “intoxicated” [“poisons”] by any amount of such 'kind' of “wine” which is “alcoholic” bring “glory to God” in their drinking?”

What does the alcohol do to a persons health?

It impairs brain activity, slows down reactionary time, attacks kidneys, liver, bloodstream, causing cancer, disease, dizziness, loose morality, causing one to forget, relaxes and/or reduces self-control [thus giving up of the will], etc and is one of the major leading causes of death, abuse and misery in the world. Even the smallest amount begins to break down the immune system of the human body [multiple medical research reports can be cited for these facts if needed, though it should be plainly obvious [but for a brief, http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/yourlif&#8230;.s_N.htm  ], also ask those of SADD and MADD].

However, let us also consider further history of the word “wine”:

Aristotle [“…(384 BC – 322 BC)[1] was a Greek philosopher and polymath, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great.” [Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle ]] said, “…Sweet wine does give off fumes, for it contains fat and behaves like oil. It does not solidify under the influence of cold and it is apt to burn. Really it is not wine at all in spite of its name: for it does not taste like wine and consequently does not inebriate as ordinary wine does. …

…(Wine is a liquid which raises a difficulty: for it is both liable to evaporation and it also thickens; for instance new wine does. The reason is that the word 'wine' is ambiguous and different 'wines' behave in different ways.“ – Meteorlogica Book IV [English] – http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/meteorology.4.iv.html

Merriam-Websters 1828 Dictionary: “MUST, n. [L. mustum; Heb. to ferment.]; New wine; wine pressed from the grape but not fermented.“ – http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resour&#8230;.1828=on

And for many more, consider reading [or checking the references page of] [The Bible Wine Question.  The Answer To The 'Unanswerable': Or An Exposure Of The Fallacies Of Three Irish Advocates (Professors Watts, Wallace And Murphy) And Eleven Syrian Witnesses; By Frederick Richard Lees] – http://books.google.com/books?i&#8230;.f=false

We should seriously ask ourselves, “Does the alcohol bring life or death?”

Alcohol is merely a legalized [group morality] “intoxicant”, another name for 'drug'. For those who advocate that a little or even 'moderate' [who defines that? and for whom?] use is ok, should also perhaps consider the “health benefits” and results of other such “intoxicants”/”drugs”: caffeine [ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012&#8230;.55.html ], nicotine/tobacco [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning ], cannabis [ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health&#8230;.ar.html ], etc – all destructive.

This should be sufficient in demonstrating the first half of the “Yes.”, but now let us consider in greater detail the second half of the “Yes.” answer.

[Anonymous]

“…The English word “wine” comes from the Proto-Germanic *winam, an early borrowing from the Latin vinum, “wine” or “(grape) vine”, itself derived from the Proto-Indo-European stem *win-o- (cf. Hittite: wiyana; Lycian: oino; Ancient Greek: οἶνος oinos; Aeolic Greek: ϝοῖνος woinos).[5][6]…” [Wikipedia, Wine], and therefore, simply means anything 'of the vine', without reference to anything of alcoholic or fermentation content, although it may include such in one of its definitions.

“Wines” The Biblical Definitions and Uses

Now let us consider the second half of that “Yes.”  There is indeed a dual use of the word “Wine” in scripture, and once this is shown, we can begin to look at the two 'kinds'.

So, to be as open as possible, and completely true to the scriptures, there will now be listed every known reference of the terminology and even a few associated terms

Let us look at the words used in scripture for “wine” and other such items:

The English word “wine” is found 231 times in 212 verses in the King James Version [other versions/translations/etc are not here in consulted, though that would be quite 'interesting', to see what they have done in this aspect]:

Genesis 9:21,24, 14:18, 19:32,33,34,35, 27:25,28,37, 49:11,12;

Exodus 29:40;

Leviticus 10:9, 23:13;

Numbers 6:3,20, 15:5,7,10, 18:12, 28:7,14;

Deuteronomy 7:13, 11:14, 12:17, 14:23,26, 16:13, 18:4, 28:39,51, 29:6, 32:33,38, 33:28;

Joshua 9:4,13;

Judges 9:13, 13:4,7,14, 19:19;

1 Samuel 1:14,15,24, 10:3, 16:20, 25:18,37;

2 Samuel 6:19, 13:28, 16:1,2;

2 Kings 18:32;

1 Chronicles 9:29, 12:40, 16:3, 27:27;

2 Chronicles 2:10,15, 11:11, 31:5, 32:28;

Ezra 6:9, 7:22;

Nehemiah 2:1, 5:11,15,18, 10:37,39, 13:5,12,15;

Esther 1:7,10, 5:6, 7:2,7,8;

Job 1:13,18, 32:19;

Psalms 4:7, 60:3, 75:8, 78:65, 104:15;

Proverbs 3:10, 4:17, 9:2,5, 20:1, 21:17, 23:30,31, 31:4,6;

Ecclesiastes 2:3, 9:7, 10:19;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 1:2,4, 4:10, 5:1, 7:9, 8:2;

Isaiah 1:22, 5:11,12,22, 16:10, 22:13, 24:7,9,11, 27:2, 28:1,7, 29:9, 36:17, 49:26, 51:21, 55:1, 56:12, 62:8, 65:8;

Jeremiah 13:12, 23:9, 25:15, 31:12, 35:2,5,6,8,14, 40:10,12, 48:33, 51:7;

Lamentations 2:12;

Ezekiel 27:18, 44:21;

Daniel 1:5,8,16, 5:1,2,4,23, 10:3;

Hosea 2:8,9,22, 3:1, 4:11, 7:5,14, 9:2,4, 14:7;

Joel 1:5,10, 2:19,24, 3:3,18;

Amos 2:8,12, 5:11, 6:6, 9:13,14;

Micah 2:11, 6:15;

Habakkuk 2:5;

Zephaniah 1:13;

Haggai 1:11, 2:12;

Zechariah 9:15,17, 10:7;

Matthew 9:17;

Mark 2:22, 15:23;

Luke 1:15, 5:37,38,39, 7:33, 10:34;

John 2:3,9,10, 4:46;

Acts 2:13;

Romans 14:21;

Ephesians 5:18;

1 Timothy 3:3,8, 5:23;

Titus 1:7, 2:3;

1 Peter 4:3;

Revelation 6:6, 14:8,10, 16:19, 17:2, 18:3,13.

Now let us also look at the more specific uses of certain words and also of others found in the scripture and afterward we can begin to study these out in more detail.
 
Wine [ Strong's H3196 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: yayin; Hebrew: יַיִן – the common word translated into the English: “wine”. “From an unused root meaning to effervesce” 138 times “wine”, 1 times “banqueting”, 1 times “winebibbers” [ +05433 ]

Genesis 9:21,24, 14:18, 19:32,33,34,35, 27:25, 49:11,12;

Exodus 29:40;

Leviticus 10:9, 23:13;

Numbers 6:3,4,20, 15:5,7,10, 28:14;

Deuteronomy 14:26, 28:39, 29:6, 32:33,38;

Joshua 9:4,13;

Judges 13:4,7,14, 19:19;

1 Samuel 1:14,15,24, 10:3, 16:20, 25:18,37;

2 Samuel 13:28, 16:1,2;

1 Chronicles 9:29, 12:40, 27:27;

2 Chronicles 2:10,15, 11:11;

Nehemiah 2:1, 5:15,18, 13:15;

Esther 1:7,10, 5:6, 7:2,7,8;

Job 1:13,18, 32:19;

Psalms 60:3, 75:8, 78:65, 104:15;

Proverbs 4:17, 9:2,5, 20:1, 21:17, 23:20,30,31, 31:4,6;

Ecclesiastes 2:3, 9:7, 10:19;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 1:2,4, 2:4, 4:10, 5:1, 7:9, 8:2;

Isaiah 5:11,12,22, 16:10, 22:13, 24:9,11, 28:1,7, 29:9, 51:21, 55:1, 56:12;

Jeremiah 13:12, 23:9, 25:15, 35:2,5,6,8,14, 40:10,12, 48:33, 51:7;

Lamentations 2:12;

Ezekiel 27:18, 44:21;

Daniel 1:5,8,16, 10:3;

Hosea 4:11, 7:5, 9:4, 14:7;

Joel 1:5, 3:3;

Amos 2:8,12, 5:11, 6:6, 9:14;

Micah 2:11, 6:15;

Habakkuk 2:5;

Zephaniah 1:13;

Haggai 2:12;

Zechariah 9:15, 10:7.

Wine [ Strong's H8492 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: tiyrowsh; Hebrew: תִּירוֹשׁ – commonly translated into the English: “wine” [ or New Wine ]. “From H3423 [ yarash יָרַשׁ to seize, dispossess, take possession of, inherit, disinherit, occupy, impoverish, an heir ] in the sense of expulsion” 38 times “wine”. “Wine, fresh or new wine, must, freshly pressed wine”

Genesis 27:28,37;

Numbers 18:12;

Deuteronomy 7:13, 11:14, 12:17, 14:23, 18:4, 28:51, 33:28;

Judges 9:13;

2 Kings 18:32;

2 Chronicles 31:5, 32:28;

Nehemiah 5:11, 10:37,39, 13:5,12;

Psalms 4:7;

Proverbs 3:10;

Isaiah 24:7, 36:17, 62:8, 65:8;

Jeremiah 31:12;

Hosea 2:8,9,22, 4:11, 7:14, 9:2;

Joel 1:10, 2:19,24;

Micah 6:15;

Haggai 1:11;

Zechariah 9:17.

Strong Wine, Strong Drink [ Strong's H7941 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: shekar; Hebrew: שֵׁכָר – commonly translated into the English: “strong drink”. “From H7937 [ shakar שָׁכַר to be, or to become drunken, be intoxicated]” 21 times “strong drink”, 1 times “strong wine”, 1 times “drunkard” [could be made from fruit of the vine, grapes, dates, honey, etc.]

Leviticus 10:9;

Numbers 6:3, 28:7;

Deuteronomy 14:26, 29:6;

Judges 13:4,7,14;

1 Samuel 1:15;

Psalms 69:12;

Proverbs 20:1, 31:4,6;

Isaiah 5:11,22, 24:9, 28:7, 29:9, 56:12;

Micah 2:11.

Wine, Winepresses, Press, Fats, Pressfat [ Strong's H3342 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: yeqeb; Hebrew: יֶקֶב – commonly translated into the English: “winepresses”. “From an unused root meaning to e
xcavate” [winevat dug into the earth] 10 times “winepresses”, 2 times “press”, 2 times “fats”, 1 times “pressfat”, 1 times “wine”

Numbers 18:27,30;

Deuteronomy 15:14, 16:13;

Judges 7:25;

2 Kings 6:27;

Job 24:11;

Proverbs 3:10;

Isaiah 5:2, 16:10;

Jeremiah 48:33;

Hosea 9:2;

Joel 2:24, 3:13;

Haggai 2:16;

Zechariah 14:10.

Lees, Dregs [ Strong's H8105 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: shemer; Hebrew: שֶׁמֶר – commonly translated into the English: “Lees”. “From H8104 [ shamar שָׁמַר to keep, guard, observe, give heed]” 4 times “lees”, 1 times “dregs”

Psalms 78:5;

Isaiah 25:6;

Jeremiah 48:11;

Zephaniah 1:12.

Grape, Wine [ Strong's H6025 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: `enab; Hebrew: עֵנָב – commonly translated into the English: “grape”. “From an unused root probably meaning to bear fruit” 18 times “grape”, 1 times “wine”

Genesis 40:10,11, 49:11;

Leviticus 25:5;

Numbers 6:3, 13:20,23;

Deuteronomy 23:24, 32:14,32;

Nehemiah 13:15;

Isaiah 5:2,4;

Jeremiah 8:3;

Hosea 3:1, 9:10;

Amos 9:13.
 
Wine [ Strong's H2562 ]: Aramaic Transliterated: chamar (Aramaic); Aramaic: חֲמַר – commonly translated into the English: “wine”. “Corresponding to H2561 [ chemer חֶמֶר wine, from H2560 chamar to boil, foam, foam up, ferment]” 6 times “wine”

Ezra 6:9, 7:22;

Daniel 5:1,2,4,23.

Wine [ Strong's H2561 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: chemer; Hebrew: חֶמֶר – commonly translated into the English: “wine”. “From H2560 [ chamar חָמַר to boil, foam, foam up, ferment ]” 1 times “pure”, 1 times “wine”

Deuteronomy 32:14;

Isaiah 27:2.

Sweet Wine, New Wine, Juice [ Strong's H6071 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: `aciyc; Hebrew: עָסִיס – commonly translated into the English: “sweet wine, new wine, juice”. “From H6072 [ `acac עָסַס to press, crush, press by treading, tread down or out” 2 times “new wine”, 2 times “sweet wine”, 1 times “juice”

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 8:2;

Isaiah 49:26;

Joel 1:5, 3:18;

Amos 9:13.

Liquor [ Strong's H4952 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mishrah; Hebrew: מִשְׁרָה – commonly translated into the English: “liquor” [juice]. “From H8281 [ sharah> שָׁרָה to let loose, set free ] in the sense of loosening” 1 times “liquor” [juice of steeped grapes]

Numbers 6:3.

Liquor [ Strong's H4197 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mezeg; Hebrew: מֶזֶג – commonly translated into the English: “liquor” [mixture, mixed wine]. “From an unused root meaning to mingle (water with wine)” 1 times “liquor”

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 7:2.

Mixed Wine, Drink Offering [ Strong's H4469 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mamcak; Hebrew: מִמְסָךְ – commonly translated into the English: “mixed wine, drink offering”. “From H4537 [ macak מָסַךְ to mix, mingle, produce by mixing]” 1 times “mixed wine”, 1 times “drink offering”

Proverbs 23:30;

Isaiah 65:11.

Flagon [of wine] [ Strong's H809 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: 'ashiyshah; Hebrew: אֲשִׁישָׁה – commonly translated into the English: “flagon [of wine]” [ actually “dried/moist [raisin] grape cakes, pressed into a form” ]. “From H808 [ 'ashiysh אֲשִׁישׁ with the sense of pressing down, foundation ]” 4 times “flagon”

2 Samuel 6:19;

1 Chronicles 16:3;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 2:5;

Hosea 3:1.

Wine, Drink, Drunken [ Strong's H5435 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: cobe'; Hebrew: סֹבֶא – commonly translated into the English: “wine, drink, drunken”. “From H5433 [ caba' סָבָא to drink heavily or largely, imbibe]” 1 times “wine”, 1 times “drink”, 1 times “drunken”

Isaiah 1:22;

Hosea 4:18;

Nahum 1:10.

Drunkard, Winebibbers, Fill, Drunken, [variant] [ Strong's H5433 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: caba'; Hebrew: סָבָא – commonly translated into the English: “drunkard, winebibbers, fill, drunken, [variant]”. “A primitive root” 2 times “drunkard”, 1 times “winebibbers”, 1 times “fill”, 1 times “drunken”, 1 times [variant]

Deuteronomy 21:20;

Proverbs 23:30,31;

Isaiah 56:12;

Ezekiel 23:42;

Nahum 1:10.

Spiced [ Strong's H7544 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: reqach; Hebrew: רֶקַח – commonly translated into the English: “spiced”. “From H7543 [ raqach רָקַח to mix, compound ]” 1 times “spiced” wine

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 8:2.

Vinegar [ Strong's H2558 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: chomets; Hebrew: חֹמֶץ- commonly translated into the English: “vinegar”. “From H2556 [ chamets חָמֵץto be leavened, sour ]” 6 times “vinegar”

Numbers 6:3;

Ruth 2:14;

Psalms 69:21;

Proverbs 10:26, 25:20.
 
Gall, Venom, Poison, Hemlock [ Strong's H7219 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: ro'sh; Hebrew: רֹאשׁ – commonly translated into the English: “Gall, Venom, Poison, Hemlock” 9 times “gall”, 1 times “venom”, 1 times “poison”, 1 times “hemlock”

Deuteronomy 29:18, 32:32,33;

Job 20:16;

Psalms 69:21;

Jeremiah 8:14, 9:15, 23:15;

Lamentations 3:5,19;

Hosea 10:4;

Amos 6:12.

Mingle [ Strong's H4537 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: macak; Hebrew: מָסַךְ- commonly translated into the English:“mingle”. “A Primitive root” 5 times “mingle”

Psalms 102:9;

Proverbs 9:2,5;

Isaiah 5:22, 19:14.

Mixture [ Strong's H4538 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mecek; Hebrew: מֶסֶךְ – commonly translated into the English: “mixture”. “From H4537 [ macak מָסַךְto mix, mingle, produce by mixing ]” 1 times “mixture”

Psalms 75:8.

Drink Offering, Libation, Molten Image, Something Poured Out [ Strong's H5262 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: necek; Hebrew: נֶסֶךְ – commonly translated into the English: “offering”. “From H5258 [ nacak נָסַךְto pour out, pour, offer, cast ]” 59 times “offering”, 4 times “image”, 1 times “cover withal”

Genesis 35:14;

Exodus 29:40,41, 30:9;

Leviticus 23:13,18,37;

Numbers 4:7, 6:15,17, 15:5,7,10,24, 28:7,8,9,10,14,15,24,31, 29:6,11,16,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,30,31,33,34,37,38,39;

2 Kings 16:13,15;

1 Chronicles 29:21;

2 Chronicles 29:35;

Psalms 16:4;

Isaiah 41:29, 48:5, 57:6;

Jeremiah 7:18, 10:14, 19:13, 32:29, 44:17,18,19,25, 51:17;

Ezekiel 20:28, 45:17;

Joel 1:9,13, 2:14.

Mixed [ Strong's H4107 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mahal; Hebrew: מָהַל – commonly translated into the English: “mixed”. Meaning to “circumcise, cut down, weaken”, “A Primitive Root” 1 times “mixed” [wine mixed with water]

Isaiah 1:22.

Honey [ Strong's H1706 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: dĕbash; Hebrew: דְּבַשׁ – commonly translated into the English: “honey”. “From an unused root meaning to be gummy” 52 times “honey”, 1 times “honeycomb” [+03295], 1 times “honeycomb” [+06688]

Genesis 43:11;

Exodus 3:8,17, 13:5, 16:31, 33:3;

Leviticus 2:11, 20:24;

Numbers 13:27, 14:8, 16:13,14;

Deuteronomy 6:3, 8:8, 11:9, 26:9,15, 27:3, 31:20, 32:13;

Joshua 5:6;

Judges 14:8,9,18;

1 Samuel 14:25,26,27,29,43;

2 Samuel 17:29;

1 Kings 14:3;

2 Kings 18:32;

2 Chronicles 31:5;

Job 20:17;

Psalms 19:10, 81:16, 119:103;

Proverbs 16:24, 24:13, 25:16,27;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 4:11, 5:1;

Isaiah 7:15,22;

Jeremiah 11:5, 32:22, 41:8;

Ezekiel 3:3, 16:13,19, 20:6,15, 27:17.

Wine [ Strong's G3631 ]: Greek Transliterated: oinos; Greek: οἶνος – commonly translated into the English: “wine”. “A primary word or perhaps from H3196 [ yayin יַיִן wine ]” 32 times “wine”, 1 times “winepress” [+ 3125]

Matthew 9:17;

Mark 2:22, 15:23;

Luke 1:15, 5:37,38, 7:33, 10:34;

John 2:3,9,10, 4:46;

Romans 14:21;

Ephesians 5:18;

1 Timothy 3:8, 5:23;

Titus 2:3;

Revelation 6:6, 14:8,10, 16:19, 17:2, 18:3,13, 19:15.

New Wine [ Strong's G1098 ]: Greek Transliterated: gleukos; Greek: γλεῦκος – commonly translated into the English: “new wine” [ sweet wine ]. “Akin to G1099 [ glykys γλυκύς sweet ]” 1 times “new wine”

Acts 2:13.

Vine [of the; Fruit] [ Strong's G288 ]: Greek Transliterated: ampelos; Greek: ἄμπελος – commonly translated into the English: “vine” [ of the; Fruit ]. “From G297 [amphoteroi ἀμφότεροι both] and G257 [halōnἅλων a ground plot or threshing floor]” 9 times “vine”

Matthew 26:29;

Mark 14:25;

Luke 22:18;

John 15:1,4,5;

James 3:12;

Revelation 14:18,19.

Vinegar [ Strong's G3690 ]: Greek Transliterated: oxos; Greek: ὄξος – commonly translated into the English: “vinegar”. “From G3691 [ oxys ὀξύς sharp, swift, quick ]” 7 times “vinegar”

Matthew 27:34,48;

Mark 15:36;

Luke 23:36;

John 19:29,30.

Excess of wine [ Strong's G3632 ] Greek Transliterated: oinophlygia; Greek: οἰνοφλυγία – commonly translated into the English: “excess of wine”. “From G3631 [oinos οἶνος wine ] and G5397 [ phlyaros φλύαρος persons uttering or doing silly things, babbling ]” 1 times “excess
of wine”

1 Peter 4:3.

Given To Wine [ Strong's G3943 ]: Greek Transliterated: paroinos; Greek: πάροινος – commonly translated into the English: “given to wine, drunken”. “From G3844 [ para παρά from, of, at, by, besides, near ] and G3631 [ oinos> οἶνος wine ]” 2 times “given to wine”

1 Timothy 3:3; Titus 1:7.

Winebibber [ Strong's G3630 ]: Greek Transliterated: oinopotēs; Greek οἰνοπότης – commonly translated into the English: “winebibber”. “From G3631 [ oinos οἶνος wine ] and G4095 [ pin&#333; πίνω to drink ]” 2 times “winebibber”

Matthew 11:19;

Luke 7:34.

Have Well Drunk, Be Drunken, Be Made Drunk [ Strong's G3184 ]: Greek Transliterated: methyō; Greek: μεθύω – commonly translated into the English: “Be Drunken, Have well Drunk, Be Made Drunk”. “From G3178 [ meth&#275; μέθη intoxication, drunkenness]” 5 times “Be Drunken”, 1 times “Have Well Drunk”, 1 times “Be Made Drunk”

Mathew 24:49;

John 2:10;

Acts 2:15;

1 Corinthians 11:21;

1 Thessalonians 5:7;

Revelation 17:2,6.

Drunkenness [ Strong's G3178 ]: Greek Transliterated: methē; Greek: μέθη – commonly translated into the English: “drunkenness”. “Apparently a root word” 3 times “drunkenness”

Luke 21:34;

Romans 13:13;

Galatians 5:21.

With these words now listed and referenced, we can look to see if there is a dual use of the word “wine” in the scriptures in evidence of the “Yes.” answer to the second half of the question previously asked.

In the Mouth of Two or Three Witnesses, let everything be established… for remember, all we are looking to do at this point is to establish that the Bible does indeed have a multiple use for the word “wine”, and that it does not have ot always mean the fermented alcoholic variety of the term.

Good Wine, Unalcoholic, Unfermented Wine:

[1] Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. Isaiah 65:8

[2] Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. Nehemiah 13:12

[3] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Proverbs 3:10

These 3 simple texts reveal that the word “wine” is also meant of the simple juice of the Grapes, even ripe from the harvest, right off of the vine, right fresh and invigorating from the press vats, the very firstfruits of the harvest increase even.

Now let us begin to look deeper, and at specific texts, and we will also begin to consider the very “nature” of the two 'kinds' of “wine”.

[Stu]

…hic!

Stuart

[Anonymous]

The “Nature” of the “Wine”

The Bible over and over warns against alcoholic content, to stay away from it… and why?  Because of its very “nature”…  it is from corruption, destruction, decay and death… and there are several examples which we may consider in the scriptures in the lives of those which partook of it and also of the sinful and sad effects and consequences which were the fruit of it…

Please notice with me the following text…

Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Proverbs 20:1

Take special notice that this text is clear, in that it does not mention anything about “quantity” here, but rather its inherent “nature”.

It merely states the very nature of the thing, that this alcoholic “wine” is,

Wine = mocker
Strong Drink = Raging

Classic Hebrew Definition, even Chiastic in structure and paralellism.

And it mentions those who are “deceived” by them, thinking they are the masters over them [“Wine” [alcholic] and “Strong Drink”], are simply, and without equivocation, “not wise”.

Therefore, as it is written: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” Galatians 6:7

…continuing looking at the very “nature” of the “wines”, we can see further still, the clear and dire warnings given to us from God to stay well clear of the alcoholic content:

Of alcoholic “wine” it is stated that … it “stingeth like an adder” [Proverbs 23:32], “biteth like a serpent” [Proverbs 23:32], “poison of dragons” [Deuteronomy 32:33], “cruel venom of asps” [Deuteronomy 32:33], “mocker” [Proverbs 20:1], “raging” [Proverbs 20:1], “wounds without cause” [Proverbs 23:29], etc… also causing the forgetting of the Law and His Ten Commandments, and causing wrong judgment…and the Bible says “woe unto them”…

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; thatput darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and <u.men of strength to mingle strong drink: Isaiah 5:22

…again, notice the very “nature” described, even without any mention of “amount”.  Is there a “blessing” or a “Woe” pronounced?

…and so I now ask a few more questions, based upon what we have gathered in just this small section; in so looking at the terminiology above, with whom are the terms associated with, Christ or Satan?

Who is the “adder”?
Who is the “serpent”?
Who is the “asp”?
Who is the “Dragon”?
Who is the one who is like a “raging” beast and lion?
Who is the one which “mocks”?
Who is the one which has given “wounds without cause”?
Who is the one who is “cruel”?
Notice the word associated with it is “poisons” and “venom”, the very word linked to “intoxicating”.
Notice the word “deceived” is associated with it, and who is the “deceiver”, the root of all “deception”?
Does “life” “sting” or does rather “death” “sting”?

[Dear reader, brother or sister, think of the very Person whom we love, Christ Jesus, and how He was wounded without cause, for He is innocent, Lamb without spot, and who was the one which did that to Him?  Who mocked Him upon the Cross, “Come down…”?  Who Bit His Heel like a Serpent, Asp, Adder, Dragon?  Who rages even now?  What had the devil even then tried to get Jesus to do?  Christ Jesus poured out His life, the pure sweet blood [the prefect anti-type/reality of the pure juice of the grape] of His humanity, and the enemy sought to give him corrupted and sour/bitter wine…, but even then Jesus refused, even unto the end.  Holy, Harmless, Undefiled.]

All of these terms are associated with alcoholic “wine” and even far more, and so can True Christians partake of it?  No, brothers and sisters, we cannot, must not, lest we be destroyed of it.

We are Christians, and of us it is said, that we are called to be “Kings and Priests”, “a Royal Priesthood”, even an “Holy Nation” with even “Christ Jesus”, Himself, being the Anointed “King of Kings” and Great “High Priest” over all:

“…an holy priesthood…” [1 Peter 2:5;p]

“…a royal priesthood, an holy nation…” [1 Peter 2:9;p]

“…kings and priests unto God and his Father…” [Revelation 1:6;p]

“…unto our God kings and priests…” [Revelation 5:10;p]

…all of which are referencing the Old Testament uses: “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” [Exodus 19:6], and “For I [am] the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I [am] holy.” [Leviticus 11:45], etc

Alcohol is especially not for Kings, for they are to ever keep True Judgment in their heart:

“…not for kings…not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:” [Proverbs 31:4;p]

…again, “quantity” is not mentioned, but simply the inherent “nature” itself, for it is a danger that it will cause the forgetting of God and His Laws.

“Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.” [Proverbs 31:5]

Alcohol is especially not for Priests, for they are to be ever Holy [Holiness] unto the the Lord:

“Do not drink wine nor strong drink…” [Leviticus 10:9]

[Some will say I have taken this passage out of context for it only deals with not drinking when entered into the Sanctaury, but they do not know the basics of scripture , but rather if one will consider yet further the Book of Hebrews [where in Paul is quite clear], etc, it will be seen that I have placed it exactly within its proper context for Christians, who are, even now supposed to be by faith, entered into the True Tabernacle of Heaven work; Thus being that we are entered in with
Him [Christ Jesus] by Faith, even now into the Most Holy in Heaven, the Anti-typical Day of Atonement; see Daniel and Revelation, Leviticus 16 and 23.  More detail may be said of this later.]

…the example of Nadab and Abihu are given as examples of what happens in transgression…therefore…

“…put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;” [Leviticus 10:10]

Our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. God calls us to be Holy as He is Holy and to make a difference:

“…it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” [1 Peter 1:16; See also Leviticus 20:7]

Alcohol is especially not for the pregnant, and not for those to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God and whom are given a comission from God:

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou [art] barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. Judges 13:3

Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean [thing]: Judges 13:4

Now, let us turn briefly for a moment to consider the other “nature” of the “wine” that is verily the “fruit of the vine”, the unfermented pure juice of the grape, symbolic of the very Pure and Undefiled Blood and Doctrine of Christ Jesus.

In the Bible, they, of Christ's day, did not have the same preservation methods that we have today regarding anything that was harvested, and pressed and stored [though there were certain historical preservation methods available, and worked well, but were not perfect, hence that which was “new”, “good” and “better” and normally served first [as it was refreshing and revitalizing], and that which was served last, “that which is worse”, beginning to turn].  With this in mind, consider the following…

Jesus makes a parallel of His New Doctrines [the New “wine”] to those clinging to the Older and corrupted [leavened] Doctrines of the Pharisees [Luke 5:39], which were not based upon scripture, but rather on the traditions and teachings of men which were breaking the commandments of God.

Anything [like the grape], once taken from the “vine” [which is where the word “wine” comes from – simply meaning “of the vine”] would eventually, after a period of time, begin to rotten, to decay, and to ferment, so becoming bitter, useless to all but drunkards.

The “New Wine” [that which was just taken from harvest or vine] would last several days, possibly weeks, months [depending upon preservation method available, which they did have historically] and eventually begin to ferment on its own, so beginning to cause expansion.

This is why it could not be placed into “old bottles”, for this process would then burst asunder those older bottles [see Job 32:19; Joshua 9:13], so it had to be placed into “new bottles” [wherein there was strength and room for stretching.] Jesus mentions this very thing [Matthew 9:17; Mark 2:22; Luke 5:37-38].

The “New Wine” was indeed pure juice of the grape [unfermented, unleavened], and as scripture has said of it:

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. Isaiah 65:8

This is how the Bible uses the term “New Wine” [see also Isaiah 16:10, Proverbs 3:10], and further by saying that which is “found in the cluster”, pure grape juice, meant for “joy” and “gladness” [Psalms 104:15; Ecclesiastes 9:7, etc].

So, that which is “found in the cluster” [Isaiah 65:8], pure grape juice, is meant for joy and gladness [Zechariah 10:7], such as a wedding [John 2:1-11, 4:46] [which we will consider Cana, etc in a bit] or feast [Psalms 104:15; Ecclesiastes 9:7, etc].

Thus it is, that this “wine” was the New “wine”, the Juice of Harvest, joy and blessing, that Jesus drank of and made and taught, the very “fruit of the vine”:

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. Matthew 26:29

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. Mark 14:25

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. Luke 22:18

It is obvious from scripture that there are two 'kinds' of “wine”, but we are going to look even further and make sure. There is one of Blessing and another of cursing, one of life and joy, and one of death and sorrow.

Also, in the matter of “amount” it is even especially spoken of in the Bible, and it reveals the very real and serious dangers of those who are drunkards, constantly imbibbing, unable to cease, a slave to alcohol.

Many people say that they can stop when they want, but without Christ we cannot do so [John 15:5], but through Christ Jesus all things [Matthew 19:26; Philippians 4:13] and by Him we can be overcomers”:

Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: Proverbs 23:20;

For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe [a man] with rags. Proverbs 23:21

Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? Proverbs 23:29

They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Proverbs 23:30

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright. Proverbs 23:31

…notice that text says to plainly stay away from it, as soon as it takes on that “nature”, regardless of “quantity”.

At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Proverbs 23:32

Thine eyes shall behold strange women,
and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. Proverbs 23:34

They have stricken me, [shalt thou say, and] I was not sick; they have beaten me, [and] I felt [it] not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. Proverbs 23:35

Now, let us look at some specific examples and scriptural persons…

[Stu]

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Christ Jesus – The True and Pure Vine

Just as we are to abide in the True Vine, Christ Jesus, God from which all purity, holiness, blessings and goodness comes, and in Him there is only Life, and no corruption, no falseness, no poison:

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. John 15:1

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:4

We, as Christians, are not to be drinkers of any alcohol, but we are instead to be drink of that healthful and pure juice of the Grape, an even partake of the New Wine, that excellent Doctrine of Jesus Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit [Luke 1:15], and not an unclean spirit, which comes of those who drink of the alcohol, the very sons and “daughter of Belial” [1 Samuel 1:15-16], worshippers of falsehood, of that great erroneous religious system of Babylon:

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:4

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Revelation 18:2

We know that the “fruit of the vine”, which is poured into the “cup of blessing” [Deuteronomy 7:13; Isaiah 65:8] which was at the passover meal, was to be unleavened, unfermented:

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 12:15

Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Exodus 12:19

Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. Exodus 13:7

Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. Exodus 34:25

Christians are to be followers of Jesus Christ and should never drink “fermented wine”. The Word of God has plainly warned us to stay away from it in many, many places, even giving us perfect examples of what happens to those who choose to disregard the wise counsel… [a few: Genesis 9:21, 19:32; Leviticus 10:9-11; Isaiah 5:11-12, 19:14, 28:7; Ezekiel 44:23; Psalms 60:3; Proverbs 23:20-21,33, 31:4-5; Hosea 7:5; Habakkuk 2:15; 1 Timothy 3:2-3; Titus 1:7-8]

The Wedding At Cana – Jesus And The Miracle Of Water To Wine

What is the example of Christ Jesus? What of the wedding of Cana, that Jesus attended? What was that wine which He Himself had made?

And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: John 2:1

And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. John 2:2

And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. John 2:3

And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. John 2:6

Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. John 2:7

When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, John 2:9

And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now. John 2:10

This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him. John 2:11

So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum. John 4:46

Did not the “governor of the feast” declare that the “wine” that Jesus made was the “best” by saying “…Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now.”, and does not this mean it was of perfect alcoholic content, and perfectly 'aged'?  Those are two separate questions, of which the answer to the First is “Yes, it was the best 'wine'.” and the answer to the Second is “No, it had nothing to do with an 'aged' alcholic 'wine'.”  What do the scriptures mean then?  Consider that the preservation methods of that time period were not perfect, and any “wine” [Grape Juice] that was held for long periods of time would lose its flavor and by syrupy and have to have water added to make it more palatable, and therefore, in any given celebration, that which was usually done, is to serve the most freshest juice of the grape at the beginning, anything that had been closer to the most recent harvest, and afterwards they would serve that which was sitting longer in preservation.  However, Jesus instead, being the Creator Himself, turns the water, into the perfect juice of the grape, as if it were freshly harvested [for He doth not need to first plant a seed and wait until it grows, for like Adam, He can bring it to full and perfect unblemished fruition instantly, for He speaks and it is so].  It was the very symbol and perfect gift of His own life and doctrine, for His Bride.  People that read backwards into the text their own preconceived ideas about what the 'best wine [alcoholic]', they [incorrectly] think, is today, being some 'aged' bottle of corruption and dissipation, make a serious error in so doing.  Additionally, the word for “good”, is the from Greek “Kalos”, meaning “honourable, noble, praiseworthy, morally good, etc” [Strong's Concordance]

Are we to [wrongly] suppose that Christ Jesus, made 90-150 gallons of alcohol to consume at a wedding feast, a place of celebration, blessing, rejoicing and joy, being not one of drunkeness, cursing, licentiousness and revelry?

Notice that the event was a Wedding. Now in the Bible, a Wedding was not a place for getting intoxicated, but rather was a joyous celebration and new life together.

This [marriage] event is a symbol of the very pure Wedding of Christ Jesus to His own Church Bride, in fact the entire Second Advent is in the context of a Wedding, and even utilizes that language in numerous places.

Jesus, called the “Bridegroom” by John the Baptist, comes to see His Betrothed [Church], then after many events, He ascends and goes to “prepare a place” for “her” [He ascends to Heaven], just as the Bridegroom would go back to the Father's house [where there are many Mansions] and prepare one of the rooms [a place in New Jerusalem], and would then after a time when asll is ready, and in the timing of the Father, He would then “come again” and “receive” “her” unto himself in the Wedding [Jesus Second Advent].

Notice, that where it was asked for wine in the Gospels at the Wedding of Cana, the wedding had already taken place.  This then would point to the time when we will actually be with Jesus Christ.  Jesus then goes to where there are “six” waterpots of stone which contained “two or three firkins apiece”. That is actually a little less than 9 English Gallons or 40 Litres for each Firkin, est. That is a tremendous amount of “wine”, and if any of that were actually fermented [alcoholic], then Jesus just advocated liscentiousness, dissipation and revelry, which of course would be sin – for remember they had already consumed all of the previous amount, but since it was the juice of the Grape, given for Celebration, it was the perfect gift, and symbol and represtnation of His own selflessness, His own Blood, and His own Doctrine.

Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to [him], and makest [him] drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! Habakkuk 2:5

“Thou art filled with shame for glory…” [Habakkuk 2:6;p]

Jesus is the pure vine [John 15:5], and so then He is the 7th Jar, that vessel of the pure, which eternally pours forth and from which all blessings flow, and so He pours into the 6 other empty jars. His “doctrine” is Pure and His “Wine” is pure, just as He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens” [Hebrews 7:26], unfermented, and fills us, bringing great joy.

For in Scripture, “wine” is a symbol for “doctrine”, whether Pure or Corrupted, and fermented “wine” always represented sin, apostacy, corruption, cursing, and the unfermented [pure juice of the grape, “…thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.” Deuteronomy 32:14, see also Genesis 49:11] representing joy, life, newness, blessing.

Fermented grape [alcoholic content], represented sin, wickedness, rebellion, and corrupted doctrines:

Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Jeremiah 51:7

Notice that fermented wine causes madness and drunkeness, and symbolizes false doctrines and hypocrisy which lead to false ideologies, practices and ways.

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:8

JESUS also spoke of the corrupt spiritual Leaven [fermentation]:

Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:6

Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:12

And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod. Mark 8:15

In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Luke 12:1

… and even by Paul, “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:” 1 Corinthians 5:7, did we notice again the context of Passover and no leavening?  For it represented primarily sin, and Christ is sinless, as we are to be in Him.

Let us continue to look at further examples and texts in/of scripture…

[Anonymous]

John the Baptist, The Elijah Message, The First Advent

…And the Greater Anti-Type Fulfillment of the Last Elijah Message

…The Herald of the Second Advent – 3 Angels Messages of Revelation 14:6-12

“John The Baptist” [that man who came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah for the 1st Advent of Christ Jesus, so too then, there is to be the end-time greater anti-type Elijah Message bearers, and these are they who are to proclaim the 2nd Advent of Christ Jesus, those who preach the 3 Angels Messages of Revelation 14:6-12 and soon to come Revelation 18:1-24, etc… https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin&#8230;.;t=4444 ] was to drink neither wine nor strong drink, and so too we:

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Luke 1:15

…those which refuse to heed the consels of God, will not be filled with the Holy Spirit, for they will instead be filled with error and dissipation, even hatred and anger, as were the Pharisees of old which refused the message of John, sent unto them by God.  The message to prepare themselves to meet their God, and would turn the hearts of the Fathers unto the Children and unto God, but they would not…

And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. Luke 1:16

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17

…thie first Advent happend as Prophesied, and we are to be crying aloud that the Second Advent is “near”, “even at the doors”, and closer than most have realized…

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Romans 11:2

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 11:5

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Matthew 17:11

Notice, that there were two indicators, for a first fulfillment and then for a final and great second fulfillment, notice the tenses of the words and the terminiology used and the contexts:

John the Baptist, giving that Elijah Messenge…of the First Advent, like unto us which give the Elijah Message of the 3 Angels to prepare for the Second…

“my messenger”:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:1

Shall we not know that we are the Temple of God, even in this our day, and Christ Jesus is soon coming again?  Will there not be such a messenger heralding it, coming from out of the “wilderness” [Revelation 12:6,14]?

“voice in the wilderness”:

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3

For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mark 1:3

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:23

”Elijah” [“Elias”]:

Matthew 11:11, 17:10,11 [future tense, Herald of the Second Advent [Rev. 14:6-12; 3 Angels Messages]],12 [present/past tense, Herald of the First Advent];
Mark 9:11,12 [future tense, Herald of the Second Advent [Rev. 14:6-12; 3 Angels Messages]],13 [present/past tense Herald of the First Advent];
Luke 1:17;
John 1:21,25.

Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the statutes and judgments. Malachi 4:4

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: Malachi 4:5

And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Malachi 4:6

…the context of those statements are in the day of the Lord's coming, with all power and glory…

“friend of the bridegroom [Christ Jesus]”:

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. John 3:29

Let us open to the scriptures of Matthew 11:13 and Luke 16:16, first, since they are somewhat related to one another:

Let us look at the scriptures [together] upon this subject:

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth
into it.Luke 16:16[the word “were” is added by translators and not in the Greek, which is why it is in [brackets], follow after Matthew 11:13]

There are a great many passages in scripture, which is called the “law and the prophets”; that prophesied about Christ Jesus in His First coming/Advent…

…yet there are a great many that Prophesy even now about His Second Coming/Advent…

…which is drawing more and more nigh…

Do these passages say that there are no more prophets, no more law [hence no more Bible; the law and the testimony; Isaiah 8:20, etc]? No.

Let us see what further scripture has to say:

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:Malachi 4:5

You might consider this brief study here, [but let us continue]: The Last Elijah Message

Jesus indeed did come the First time and John the Baptist did preach in the “spirit and power of Elijah”[Luke 1:17] and Jesus did say that John the Baptist was an Elijah to come [Matthew 11:14, 17:12; Mark 9:12-13], but Malachi 4:5 clearly says that there would be an end-time “Elijah” message and scripture also says that the Great and Dreadful Day of the LORD [His Second Coming/Advent] is yet to come…

Jesus, even warned against the many false prophets to come, as did Peter and John… [Matthew 7:15, 24:11,24, Mark 13:22, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 John 4:1]

The question then to ask is, “Why bother to warn about false prophets if there were to be no more True Prophets?” [Acts 13:6; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1; Revelation 16:13, 19:20, 20:10]

Why, would He not instead warn against all prophets that were to come?, yet we can know by scripture that there would be more True Prophets to continue until the end of time…

And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. Acts 2:17

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy. Acts 2:18

Jesus Himself was also a Prophet [Deuteronomy 18:15,18; John 4:44, 6:14, 9:17; Acts 3:22-23, 7:37]

There were Prophets in the Church even after Jesus ascended into Heaven:

Agabus [Acts 11:28, 21:10]

Philips Four Daughters [Acts 21:9]

Peter who saw vision [Acts 10]

Paul who saw visions [Acts; 2 Corinthians 12:2]

Church members:

Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith; Romans 12:6 [Acts 19:6; 1 Corinthians 13:9, 14:1,5,24,31,37,39]

John [the Apostle] in [Revelation 1:1,4]

Those in the latter days with the endtime Three Angels Messages [Revelation 14]and Elijah Message [And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Revelation 10:11]

Scripture says that Prophets were to continue to be a manifested gift in the church:

… And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Acts 11:26;p

And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.Acts 11:27

Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets…Acts 13:1;p

And Judas and Silas, being prophets alsothemselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them].Acts 15:32

For God hath set the Prophets in the Church:

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracl
es, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:28

[Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles? 1 Corinthians 12:29

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 1 Corinthians 14:29

And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Corinthians 14:32

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];Ephesians 2:20

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; Ephesians 3:5

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Ephesians 4:11

… thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,….Revelation 11:18;p

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. Revelation 16:6

Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. Revelation 18:20

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Revelation 18:24

And so that the Church would come behind in no gift, including Prophets:

So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Corinthians 1:7

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:Ephesians 4:12

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Ephesians 4:13

…there is an endtime Elijah message, that is going before the Lord, and soon He shall come…

Now if we may go back to Matthew 11 and Luke 16 [and gather some more context]:

Matthew:

And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?Matthew 11:7

But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft [clothing] are in kings' houses.Matthew 11:8

But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. Matthew 11:9

For this is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Matthew 11:10

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Matthew 11:11

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.Matthew 11:12

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.Matthew 11:13

And if ye will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come. Matthew 11:14

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:15

…notice further that the context of Matthew 11, is in the scene of repentance and the “day of judgment”.

…and so we continue in Matthew[also Luke, even Mark] and see in Matthew 17, the transfiguration of Christ Jesus upon the Mount [as He had said, “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”Matthew 16:28

and “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which sh
all not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”Matthew 16:29

and “And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.”Mark 9:1

and “But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.”Luke 9:27

; notice in each that after 6 days [being on the 7th Day; and so after 6,000 years, then the Millennium [1,000 years]], they then saw Jesus Glorified between Moses and Elijah, representing the Law and the Prophets, to whom both point to], where He spake with the actual Living and resurrected Moses, and the Living and translated Elijah [the two, which are types of the end time events, Those who will be resurrected at the Second Coming, and those who will be translated alive and changed in an instant at that event, and Peter speaks of this very event in His Epistle, 2 Peter 1:15-21].

The disciples that were with Him, then were greatly perplexed about this, for they had some knowledge about the Second Coming from the prophecies and so asked Jesus:

And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.Matthew 17:9

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?Matthew 17:10

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.Matthew 17:11

…Notice… “Shall first come, and restore all things.” [FUTURE TENSE]…speaking of the Second Coming Herald…But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Matthew 17:12

….Notice… “That Elias is come already, and they knew him not…” [PAST TENSE, PRESENT TENSE]…speaking of the First Coming Herald…

…so the “is come” [First Advent] is John the Baptist…
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.Matthew 17:13

Notice also the same in Mark 9:

And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.Mark 9:9

And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. Mark 9:10

And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?Mark 9:11

And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.Mark 9:12

…Notice… “Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things” [FUTURE TENSE]…speaking of the Second Coming Herald…But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. Mark 9:13….Notice… “That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him…” [PAST TENSE, PRESENT TENSE]…speaking of the First Coming Herald…

…so the “is indeed come” [First Advent] is John the Baptist…For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Mark 1:3

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:7

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:23

As Prophesied in the Old Testament of the First Coming/Advent…

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3

…the Second Coming, “Prophesy again”, for Lo, He comes; Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly pu
rge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.Matthew 3:12[also Luke 3:17]…:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.Revelation 10:7

And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.Revelation 10:11

…the “little book” is now “open”[Revelation 10:2][which are the Parts of Daniel that were sealed; “shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end“Daniel 12:4]

…see Revelation 14:6-12, the Three Angels Messages, which are even now going forth… and Revelation 18, soon to come…

…and so what of any of it may be asked, has any of it to do with the cessation of drinking that intoxicating and poisonous alcohol?

Dear brothers and sisters, did you not know that you are called of God to be the last Elijah Message bearers to the whole world?  You are called to be Elijah, the anti-typical John the Baptist, heralding, not the first Advent, but the Glorious Second Advent!  What privilege!

Any of those which refuse the counsel of God upon this subject, will not receive of the latter rain which is coming, being the Holy Spirit poured out as it was in the days of Pentecost, being the early rains, but will instead receive another false and lying spirit, wherein is dissipation, drunkeness, confusion, corruption and false doctrines…

…please do not refuse the Elijah Message, as the Pharisees of old did.

[Anonymous]

Paul To Timothy, Drink No Longer Water, But Use A Little Wine…

Let us continue to look at further examples and texts in/of scripture…

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 1 Timothy 5:23

Before continuing with the verse, let us also ask, what is the context of this verse, in the immediate [local, chapter], surrounding [regional, book] and even wider perspective [global, Bible], and what does Paul mean by this? Let us look at all of 1 Timothy and also consider 2 Timothy and elsewhere of Scripture to see together what Paul says to Timothy, so that we will not misunderstand or misuse the text to our own destruction, even as Peter hast said of Paul's epistles:

As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16

It would be very dangerous to assume in this instance that Paul advocated to Timothy to drink fermented [alcoholic]“wine”. We need to be most cautious and careful, lest we advocate sin and rebellion towards the Word of God. We are warned in the Epistles to Timothy by the Holy Spirit Himself that such dangers would come, even from those professing Christianity and having a “form of godliness” but are rather “deceived” and “speaking lies in hypocrisy”:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Timothy 4:2

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 Timothy 3:1

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2 Timothy 3:2

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2 Timothy 3:3

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2 Timothy 3:4

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:5

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 2 Timothy 3:8

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was. 2 Timothy 3:9

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2 Timothy 4:3

And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:4

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 1 Timothy 1:6

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 1 Timothy 1:7

[This very time that has come in our day, of “perilous times” when many “evil men” and “seducers” are waxing “worse and worse”, “deceiving and being deceived”, and are not enduring “sound doctrine” and have begun to “turn away [their] ears from the truth”, even “unto fables” and they withstand the truth and “resist the truth”, preaching to be “unholy” and “incontinent”, even as “Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses” or as Alexander who has, “greatly withstood our words” [2 Timothy 4:5]. Let not one of us be among that number of those who have departed “from the faith”, “having swerved aside unto vain jangling” and “desiring to be teachers of the law” but yet “understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm”, and so let us not be counted as one who resists Him [who first loved us], blaspheming the Holy Spirit.]

We are to be as Paul has exhorted Timothy, to “keep thyself pure”, and to be “sober”, “grave”, “blameless”, an “example of the believers…in conversation…in purity”, doing “nothing by partiality”, exercising ourselves unto “godliness”, nourished up unto “good doctrine”, and “good works”, being “not given to wine”, but to rather be most “vigiliant”, continuing in “holiness with sobriety”, with “shamefacedness”, being of “good report”, so that we may “lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty”, doing that which “is good and acceptable before God”, departing “from iniquity” and not “giving heed to fables”, having
“made shipwreck” of the faith by “seducers” and “evil men”, and not to be “turned aside after satan” doing, teaching and partaking of other “men's sins” and of those things which are “contrary to sound doctrine” which gives the devil “occasion…to speak reproachfully”. Please read and look for those words:

1 Timothy 1:1 –> 1 Timothy 6:21
2 Timothy 1:1 –> 2 Timothy 4:22

For our doctrine of food must be according to the clear and pure Word of God, it must first be “sanctified by the Word of God” and we must by “prayer” ask Him in faith to know the truth, and so “rightly dividing the Word of Truth” and have our “instruction in righteousness” and “thoroughly furnished unto all good works” having been called with “an holy calling” and so not to drink of the fermented wine, the very symbol of corrupted doctrine, rebellion, confusion and hypocrisy, that “cruel” venomous beverage of “Belial”[1 Samuel 1:15-16] that “biteth like a serpent” and “stingeth like an adder” and of those who teach that it is acceptable to partake of it, scripture says that they “concerning the truth have erred … and overthrow the faith of some” and who, unless they repent and turn, will “increase unto more ungodliness”.

So, when Paul, after exhorting for so long about those things of “godliness”, “sobriety”, “vigiliance” and “truth” and the stark contrast of “ungodliness”, “evil”, “sin” and “error”, etc, when then of the text at hand?

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 1 Timothy 5:23

Let us look closer at each individual part:

“Drink no longer water, but…”

“…use a little wine for…”

“…thy stomach's sake and…”

“…thine often infirmaties.”

Let us consider as we shall, that many times Luke [“Only Luke is with me. …”2 Timothy 4:11;p], the beloved physician, was with Paul on his journeyings, and so could help with medical advice about health concerning “infirmaties” which Timothy seemed to have and that concering his “stomach's sake”. Let us begin to consider what is being said by Paul to Timothy, by what we have learned in those Epistles and shall yet learn from the “scriptures” on the subject of “wine”, for far be it from us to build a doctrine from scripture to advocate the drinking of alcohol from such a text as this when all of the context itself goes against such an idea to begin with.

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 1 Timothy 5:23

“Drink no longer water, but…”
“…use a little wine for…”
“…thy stomach's sake and…”
“…thine often infirmaties.”

Other translations also help to bring out what Paul is saying to Timothy:

Bible in Basic English
5:23Do not take only water as your drink, but take a little wine for the good of your stomach, and because you are frequently ill.

World English Bible
5:23 Be no longer a drinker of water only, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.

Young's Literal Translation
5:23 no longer be drinking water, but a little wine be using, because of thy stomach and of thine often infirmities;

etc…

We see that Timothy was only a “water drinker” and was refusing to accept any “wine”[pure grape juice]. Why should this be so? For Timothy was very strict in his duty toward God, in that he understood “that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way” [Romans 14:13;p], “take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak”[1 Corinthians 8:9;p], he being exhorted to be an “example of the believers” and was making sure that he ate or drank nothing that would by outward appearance cause the downfall of another:

Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22,

… for it was obvious to “abstain from all evil” and yet also better still to even “abstain from all appearance of evil”, for some in the scripture have not that knowledge of the difference between “wine”[unfermented; grape juice] and “wine”[fermented; alcohol], and from this second, many were taken by its evil, while others still were to even place blame upon those partaking of the first, just as had been done at Pentecost by the unbelievers [“mocking”; Acts 2:13] and also of those concerning the meats and idols.

“Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge:…” 1 Corinthians 8:7;p

“… to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual und
erstanding;” Colossians 1:9;p

And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.1 Corintians 13:2

Timothy, just as Paul, would rather “drink water only” in Christian “charity”[love] than cause anyone to stumble even over that which is perfectly fine to partake of according to the Word of God [in this case, the grape juice]. He was placing himself in more of a “nazarite” position, “sober”, “grave”, “sobriety”, “pure”, “holy”, etc, by conscious choice, without actually taking any such vow. However, it seemed he was doing so even at the cost of his own health, which was unsafe, in his condition, to do.

Paul then gives advice [likely by the aid of Luke the physician and Holy Spirit] on this condition of Timothy, in letting him know that he could relax on the severe strictness of his current position [which was to partake not even of the pure fruit of the vine], without compromise to integrity and conscience, in saying to Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but…” so that he may “…use a little wine…” [grape juice]“…for…” his particular “stomach” ailments and “often infirmaties”.

It is well known of the powerful antioxidants and curative properties of the pure grape juice, especially in stomach ailments and other infirmaties, for it is truly a “revitalizing” drink, full of flavonoids, vitamins, etc. Medical research is confirming even the scriptures here.

However, to recommend alcoholic beverage to someone constantly ill and suffering from stomach ailments would cause them greater harm and suffering.

In fact, Timothy could mix the two [water and grapejuice] even reducing the strength of the grape juice by cutting it or mixing it with water, in case others may yet complain that Timothy had become a “winebibber” and “drunkard”[as the Pharisees had falsely accused and so done to Jesus]:

“…thy wine mixed with water.”Isaiah 1:22;p

The disciples could drink the juice of the grape [that “fruit of the vine” or “new wine”, being unfermented], as had been done at the Wedding in Cana, the Passover [wave sheaf and “first-fruits”, the time of the “first ripe grapes”, even that which came directly from “the vine” and “branches”, “the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes”, “took the grapes, and pressed them into … cup”, or from the “winepresses” which are “burst out with new wine”, being the thanks giving of “joy and gladness” of the “blessing” from God of the great harvest to come, etc] and at Pentecost, etc.

However, even as Paul has said elsewhere, that even that which is normally good [pure juice of the grape], may not be immediately expedient or edifying in certain situations [just as was the [clean] meats]:

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.1 Corinthians 6:12

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.1 Corinthians 10:23

It would be the same as someone personally abstaining from Carob [perfectly fine to eat, even healthy] from people who may have health issues and dietary problems with their choice of chocolate. Or like eating almond/soy/oat “ice cream” in front of them which have issues in their own diet [perhaps they cannot yet cease from sweets or even dangerous sugars, thus becoming diabetics].

Paul would never advocate or recommend to Timothy an action which could lead to his downfall, stumbling, causing others to stumble, into sin, or to a practice which could lead away from Christ Jesus and/or “cause one to forget” His Law and Word.

Alcohol is an intoxicant, a posion and causes one to not be in full control of their senses or reasoning.

Yet the pure Juice of the Grape and unfermented was revitalizing and refreshing, excellent for health and restoration, quickening the mind and body:

And what the land [is], whether it [be] fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time [was] the time of the firstripe grapes.Numbers 13:20

And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee. Deuteronomy 7:13

And when David was a little past the top [of the hill], behold, Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred [loaves] of bread, and an hundred bunches of raisins, and an hundred of summer fruits, and a bottle of wine. 2 Samuel 16:1

And the king said unto Ziba, What meanest thou by these? And Ziba said, The asses [be] for the king's household to ride on; and the bread and summer fruit for the young men to eat; and the wine, that such as be faint in the wilderness may drink.2 Samuel 16:2

Who would give alcohol [known to cause dehydration], to someone “faint in the wilderness”? What physician or Apostle would give advice to Timothy to drink alcohol for his illness? “Foolishness” and “folly” of those who try to turn the “blessing” and “gift of God” and His judgment into “gall” and of His righteousness into “hemlock”[Amos 6:12].

[Anonymous]

The Nazarite, Old and New Testament

A “Nazarite”[either man/woman] could not partake of anything “made of the vine tree, from kernels even to the husk” while under the days of his/her “vow of a Nazarite”, in his/her “separation”.

Any Hebrew/Jew, not under such a vow [or some other special occurance or vow], could partake of the “wine” [unfermented, pure juice of the grape] in joyous celebrations, such as at the harvest feasts, weddings, sabbaths, etc., however, the Nazarite vow was to also even exclude even this grapejuice drink and all else that came from “the vine tree” [“wine” [unfermented or fermented], “strong drink”, “vinegar of wine”, “vinegar of strong drink”, “liquor of grapes”, “moist grapes”, or “dried”, etc.]:

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate [themselves] to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate [themselves] unto the LORD: Numbers 6:2

He shall separate [himself] from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. Numbers 6:3

All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. Numbers 6:4

It was only after the “days of his separation” “unto the LORD” were completed, and the person brought to the “door of the Tabernacle of the congregation “[Temple/church] with “a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings” and then the Priest was to “take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put [them] upon the hands of the Nazarite, after [the hair of] his separation is shaven“.

So once the Nazarite vow was over, he/she could then go back to being able to partake of the “wine” of “joy”, “rejoicing” and “blessing”, the unleavened pure juice of the grape, as other Hebrew/Jews could [that were not under vows, etc]. But, as it is said, in many places of God's Holy Word [some of which has already been listed previously], the fermented “wine” of “sorrow”, “woe” and “cursing” was to be avoided afterwards, even if it had not been before the vow. The whole point of the Nazarite vow was to “to separate [themselves] unto the LORD” in a special manner, and at the end to be presented before the “door of the Tabernacle of the congregation”, which was the Temple/Church, with that which was unleavened, symbol of purity.

And the priest shall wave them [for] a wave offering before the LORD: this [is] holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. Numbers 6:20

All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth [himself] unto the LORD, he shall be holy, [and] shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow. Numbers 6:5

All the days that he separateth [himself] unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body. Numbers 6:6

He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God [is] upon his head. Numbers 6:7

All the days of his separation he [is] holy unto the LORD. Numbers 6:8
…
And this [is] the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: Numbers 6:13

And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, Numbers 6:14

And a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. Numbers 6:15
And the priest shall bring [them] before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: Numbers 6:16

And he shall offer the ram [for] a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. Numbers 6:17
And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation [at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put [it] in the fire which [is] under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. Numbers 6:18

And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put [them] upon the hands of the Nazarite, after [the hair of] his separation is shaven: Numbers 6:19

And the priest shall wave them [for] a wave offering before the LORD: this [is] holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. Numbers 6:20

This [is] the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, [and of] his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside [that] that his hand shall get: according
to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation. Numbers 6:21

Another example of the Nazarite vow can be found in Judges 13 – Manoah, his wife and her child, Samson. She was told that even her actions and choices were to affect the child. She was told not to eat anything “unclean” either, even as the Nazarites and any Hebrew/Jew truly following God from their heart were also not to do. We can know by the Word of God, that even after she had weened Samson, and Samson was grown, still neither were to eat of the “unclean”:

But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean [thing]: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death. Judges 13:7

This same principle applies to the fermented “wine”. For the laws of God on this subject of the fermented “wine” have not changed:

And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; Leviticus 10:10.

That a Nazarite vow ended and ritual accomplished, and the scripture says, “after that the Nazarite may drink wine”. “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD,” and ask, “Which of the two “wine“ [unfermented or fermented] does God [the very God who loves us and created us and redeemed us, and the very same God of our Health and body Temples] mean is again allowable for them of His “chosen” people [Exodus 6:7; etc.], His “peculiar treasure”[Exodus 19:5; etc.] which had accomplished their Nazarite vow?”

Shall we begin to think that God actually means that they which completed their Nazarite vow could now freely partake of that fermented “wine”, that “wine” of “sorrow”, “woe”, “contentions”, “wounds”, “babbling”, that “biteth like a serpent”, “stingeth like an adder”, the “cruel venom of asps” and the “poison of dragons” [all symbols of the serpent, the devil and satan], and wherein “thine heart shall utter perverse things”?

Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Proverbs 31:5

Is “…Christ [Jesus] the minister of sin? God forbid!” [Galatians 2:17;p]

Is God Holy or no? Does He not declare that we also should be Holy?

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 1 Peter 1:15

Scripture is clear, God is clear:

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright.Proverbs 23:31

When sin entered into this world, things of the natural world changed. Weeds, thorns and unconsumable things entered in, along with Death and corruption.

“Ye shall know them by their fruits. …” Matthew 7:16;p [see also Matthew 7:20]

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.Matthew 12:13 [see also Luke 6:44]

Though the passages are speaking about people, it can also be applied to any number of things. Alcohol produces what kind of “fruit”/results in any amount? Wickedness, sloth, depravity, disease, wounds, death and sin [“…the fruit of the wicked to sin.” [Proverbs 10:16;p]]. There is a reason that it is in many places called “spirits”, “unclean spirits” associate themsleves with it and their worship.

Even in the New Testament we find that there were many having discussions over such vows and the drinking even of the “wine” – grape juice [which was perfectly fine to drink, except for those which were under such Nazarite vows] [Romans 14, etc].  Many were saying that once Christ Jesus came that those which took the Nazarite vow no longer needed to consider the vow valid, and so were saying that the vow was now annulled.  However, just because Christ Jesus came, does not negate the vows that these had made unto God, and many which were under Nazarite vows were becoming Christians.  Therefore, there was a bit of discussion over these things, over even the drinking of the good wine [the pure juice of the grape].  We shall look at what Paul had to say about such good “wine” – grape juice, in Romans 14 [and entire context], in a bit, namely: “[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.” Romans 14:21.

Jesus knew that there was to be a time of transition, and that such issues would arise, and so gave us much counsel.

[Anonymous]

The Corinthian Church, their example???…

In 1 and 2 Corinthians we are given several examples of how bad a church can become when they leave off of true doctrine and from following Christ Jesus. Paul is constantly trying to set to rights the happenings in this particular church.

In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul begins by again setting forth a true example:

Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1

Paul then, after again reprimanding the church for indecent behavior, continues with events even more serious, namely that of the communion of the saints in the “Lord's Supper”:

Now in this that I declare [unto you] I praise [you] not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 1 Corinthians 11:17

It was not that Paul advocated anything that they were doing, for they were obviously doing everything wrong and in the wrong spirit, and it was truly a fallen condition, for there were “divisions”, and worse still, “heresies”:

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 1 Corinthians 11:18

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Corinthians 11:19

When this poor church gathered together for this occasion, they came together in haphazard and chaotic fashion, eating and drinking what they would, a bacchanal feast of drunkeness and gluttony, rather than the sober meal of remembrance of the love of Christ Jesus and His death for us/them [Luke 22:19]:

When ye come together therefore into one place, [this] is not to eat the Lord's supper. 1 Corinthians 11:20

For in eating every one taketh before [other] his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 1 Corinthians 11:21

This fallen church was bringing their own food to eat and their own concoctions to drink [fermented beverages]. This was in no way approved by Paul in any manner, and in fact is part of the “heresies” he spake of that were “manifested”. So, they did not come together in the manner as Christ Jesus commanded, but rather in their own way and manner. They were not worshipping God, and so Paul says, if you do not want to worship the true God in spirit and in truth and come together in communion, go home and “not worship” God there, rather than parade such licentiousness in the church of the Living God…,

What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise [you] not. 1 Corinthians 11:22

As is plain, Paul in no way “praise“ them [“I praise [you] not”], but rather rebukes their iniquity and foolishness, that they could so openly “despise … the church of God”.

Paul gives in the clearest language how the “Lord's Supper” was to be rightly conducted in all reverence and holiness and purity and in soberness:

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the [same] night in which he was betrayed took bread: 1 Corinthians 11:23

And when he had given thanks, he brake [it], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:24

What kind of “bread” was this to be? “Unleavened”, for in the “[same] night” was the reference to the night of the Passover meal, in which absolutely no “leaven” was to be anywhere in the house. Then Paul follows with:

After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:25

What “cup” was this to be? The “cup of blessing which we bless”, the very “cup” of the “unleaven” of the Passover meal, which afterward becomes the “Lord's Supper”, and the “cup” was filled with the “fruit of the vine”, as at the Lord's table, the pure juice of the grape – the pure “blood” of the “New Testament”.

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 1 Corinthians 10:6

Scripture is clear that the “wine” of the “cup” was to be a “blessing”, unfermented “wine”, for it represents the pure blood and sinlessness of Christ Jesus:

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 1 Corinthians 11:26

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 11:27

And each person was to “examine” themselves, and ask God to search their hearts, and to have partaken of an alcoholic beverage, would not have allowed this to happen, as the fermented drink would becloud the mind, distort the memory, impair judgment and allow the influence of satan to gain a greater advantage, and thus they would be “guilty” of the “blood of the Lord”:

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. 1 Corinthians 11:28

For he that ea
teth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 1 Corinthians 11:29

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2 Corinthians 13:5

Those who failed to do so and “eateth” and “drinketh” “unworthily” [such as fermented “wine” would be, unworthy], and still continue in their wickedness:

For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 1 Corinthians 11:30

An acoholic beverage causes one to not have clear judgment or discernment and cannot honor God rightly, for these were “weak”, “sickly” and many “sleep” [fermented stupor, even as a symbol of darkness and death], thus being impossible to reverence God for His “so great salvation” and “love” or give to Him pure and true worship:

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:31

But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 1 Corinthians 11:32

Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 1 Corinthians 11:33

Those who had made such a wreck of the “Lord's Supper” were coming together “unto condemnation”. Paul no where approves of the uses of alcohol that were present in this church gathering, but even sterner still, “and the rest will I set in order when I come”, and would cast them out of the church who would not cease from their evil ways:

And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. 1 Corinthians 11:34

Advocating alcoholic “wine” for consumption from these texts is extremely dangerous to do to one's salvation, as it would present the Lord Jesus Christ in such a manner so as to make Him the dispenser of corruption and disorder.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5

[Anonymous]

Romans 14, the aspect of the “Wine”…

Romans 14, so often abused, “wrested” and misused by all manner and walks to justify the breaking of God's Laws [antinomian], not only of the very Ten Commandments [the 4th Commandment in particular, the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God] and also of the Health laws [from self-sanctifying the “unclean” for consumption to the drinking and consumption of alcohol], etc.

“Unclean”, God's Word clearly says,“Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.” [Deuteronomy 14:3]

The 7th Day “the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”, God's Word is clearly spoken in awesome majesty in Ex 20:8-11.

Beginning in Romans 14:

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations. Romans 14:1

We are dealing not with the abolition or setting aside of Gods Commandments or Laws, but rather we are dealing with Christians [followers of God in His Commandments and ways] that are “weak in the faith”, but not to “doubtful disputations”. The “weak in faith” were to be “receive[d]” [Romans 15:7] and helped.

The 4th Commandment and the Health Laws of Clean and Unclean, and that between Holy and unholy were never ever “doubtful” [Ex 20:8-11; Deuteronomy; Leviticus and Isaiah 66:17, etc].

In Romans 14:5 we see even further that we are still dealing with what “man esteemeth”[that which is allowable in following after Christ Jesus] and not what God esteems as permanent, right and so.

Fermented “wine” was always associated with false worship [1 Sam 1:15-16; “belial”]:

And they lay [themselves] down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned [in] the house of their god. Amos 2:8

Fermented “wine” was always associated with wickedness, transgression and lawlessness:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Isaiah 5:22

Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Isaiah 5:23

Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:24

Who is it that drinks when the “wine is red” and “full of mixture”? The “wicked of the earth” and they shall “drink” the “dregs thereof”.

In Romans 14:7, Paul makes it clear that we are to live unto Christ Jesus [who Created and Redeemed us, purchased us by His own blood] and that no man is an island unto himself, and that our choices affect not only ourselves, but also those around us:

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. Romans 14:7

For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. Romans 14:8

In Romans 14:10, we also see that dealing with incorrect judging and judgment of/by other Christians, over such personal matters of “fasting”, “vows”, “feasting/mourning” [“days” associated with “eating” or not “eating”] practices and also the matter of what to do with that which had been, or possibly was at one point in close connection with or associated with an idol [which is nothing, but some have not the knowledge, and all things edify not]:

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Romans 14:12

Therefore, the matter was Christian “charity”[love] not being expressed as it ought:

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way. Romans 14:13

In order to understand the context of Romans 14:14-23, and to not “wrest” the scriptures, other texts should also be consid
ered:

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean. Romans 14:14

[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Romans 14:21

“…being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,…” 1 Corinthians 9:21;p

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:15

Read also 1 Corinthians 8 and 10, for that which was not “unclean of itself” is given there.

Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1 Corinthians 8:7

So, we see that Pauls use of “all things” is limited to that which was permissible within the clear Laws and Instruction of God. The unfermented “wine” was fine to drink normally, but it could still be a problem, isssue or stumbling block with somone under a Nazarite vow, or some other such vow [fasting, etc], or with one who was “weak” in faith and “doubting”, not understanding. Paul would not therefore even drink of such or eat of something that might have been at one point associated with an idol [though an idol is nothing], if it meant that it would cause another to offend in their conscience. This is the Christian love and “charity”, considerate of others.

Paul does not advocate the use of fermented “wine” by anyone, anymore than he would advocate the eating of swine. For it would be an offense to God, transgression and to all other brethren, including Paul himself, who was not “weak in the faith”, but rather “strong” [Romans 15:1].

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19

Would God ever allow an “unclean”, impure and “unholy” sacrifice?

The fermented cup of “wine” and the abominations of such a “cup of devils”[see Isaiah 65:4; etc], deals with idolatry, and false worship [Daniel 1:8, 5:1-2,4, etc]:

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21

For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter: Deuteronomy 32:32

Let us “serveth Christ” aright:

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.Romans 13:10

Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to [him], and makest [him] drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! Habakkuk 2:5

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. Romans 14:19

We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Romans 15:1

Let every one of us please [his] neighbour for [his] good to edification. Romans 15:2

“For even Christ pleased not himself …” Romans 15:3;p

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31

Fermented “wine” cannot make for “peace”, for it is the very “bitter” “wine of violence” and “shame for glory”.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Romans 13:12

…we will come back to Romans 14 in a bit [dealing with foods and days, pure things, unclean, etc], to fully open up this chapter and the context of Romans…

[princess]

Who are you talking to there Awhn?

[Anonymous]

Quote (princess @ Nov. 05 2012,10:10)

Who are you talking to there Awhn?

Those which are “filled with wine” [drunken on dissipation and drunken on false doctrines], and those which are “sleeping” [sleeping due to alcohol, and unawake to spiritual and very real perils and dangers they are in]… and to anyone who is willing to actually study and learn.

[Anonymous]

Social Use of Alcohol Given In The Proverbs???

Other texts commonly quoted are from Proverbs 31:6-7 for the advocation of alcohol consumption, but in so doing the context is always ruined:

Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings. Proverbs 31:3

[It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Proverbs 31:4

Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Proverbs 31:5

We immediately see the wise counsel and burden of a mother for the instruction of her son [verse 1] in the ways of God being remembered. We should see that the fermented “wine”[that which causes one to “forget the law” and also that which “perverts the judgement … of the afflicted”] belongs to the “ways to that which destroyeth kings”, therefore “not for kings to drink wine”“nor for princes strong drink”.

As has been previously noted from the scriptures, Christians are all “kings” and “priests” of the Most High God:

So, already knowing this, what do the following passages reveal?

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Proverbs 31:6

Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Proverbs 31:7

Do these passages advocate the consumption of alcohol in an everyday use, as many would like them to say? Far be it.

We see that this fermented “wine” and “strong drink” does not bring life, vitality, alertness or health, but rather death, sleep, forgetting and decay.

The words themselves in the following verses [6-7] reveal to whom it [the fermented] may “benefit” [and this term is used loosely], that is to say, those that are already dying, and in agony and perishing [“ready to perish”, being “heavy [bitterness [of death], in pain, agony in dying] of heart”], so that they may not be in “misery”[travail or anguish of soul] any more.

Why? For it [fermented wine] benumbs the senses, clouds and darkens the mind, causes a hazy warmness in the physical body and dulls the pain it is in, it aids in the process of one who is suffering in misery while dying and as such heavy of heart and mournful [even unto death].

[This is why they offered the thieves and Jesus Christ upon the Cross [Matthew 27:34; Mark 15:23], vinegar/wine mixed with gall, yet He would not drink it even then, for His mind had to be clear until the very end.] Christ Jesus offers to man His pure unfermented “wine”, while mankind offered to Him in return, fermented and “sour”.

The texts do not advocate alcohol for social drinking in the least for anyone living, nor for “transgression by wine”, but these texts rather speak on the subject of [fermented] “wine” to be given as a last resort to those who are in a critical, miserable and unrecoverable way – “ready to perish” and soon to pass into the forgetful sleep of death [Psalms 88:12] – that is to those that were already dying in death in a miserable way, easing into the sleep of death [Proverbs 13:3].

The punishment for the wicked will be the same, in that they will “drink the wine of the wrath of God”[Revelation 14:8,10, also 16:19 and Psalms 75:8] so that they would “drink down”, and become as though they “had not been” [Obadiah 1:16], “destruction to the wicked” and a “strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity” [Job 31:3; also Isaiah 28:21].

Let us also take heed to the counsel of God and His Word and avoid fermented “wine” and do not even “look” “upon it” when “it moveth itself aright”, that we may live, “sober” and “holy” lives unto God and “be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and … shall be filled with the Holy Ghost”[Luke 1:15;p] who is “given to them that obey Him” [Acts 5:32;p] and “shall not want a man to stand before me for ever” [Jeremiah 35:19;p].

[Anonymous]

Deuteronomy 14:22-26 and More, – Drink Whatever Is Desired???

Let us now look at Deuteronomy 14:22-26 [and context]:

Ye shall not eat [of] any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that [is] in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk. Deuteronomy 14:21

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Deuteronomy 14:22

And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. Deuteronomy 14:23

And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Deuteronomy 14:24

Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: Deuteronomy 14:25

And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, Deuteronomy 14:26

Let us now consider the texts and their context, which is the second Tithe [for the first being already given unto the Levites, Numbers 18:21-24] and some of this tithe [the tenth, the best] was to be given unto strangers, orphans and widows [Deuteronomy 14:29; 26:12-15].

However, there were things to be offered “unto the LORD”. So, those who had a far distance to travel to get to the designated spot itself, instead of carrying with or taking with them many items, harvest, livestock, they could at their earliest convenience trade those things in for money [vs 24] and then once arrived at the designated location, chosen by God [vs 23, where ever the Tabernacle had been moved to], purchase again “whatsoever thy soul desireth” [vs 26], not only to offer unto the LORD first:

And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: Deuteronomy 12:6 [See also vs 5-8]

Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD: Deuteronomy 12:11

…but also to then celebrate with rejoicing for their having been blessed by GOD:

And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that [is] within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you. Deuteronomy 12:12

The “strong drink” [should they purchase any] was not to be consumed by any of the people, but rather it was to be poured out upon the ground “unto the LORD” as HE commands be done:

And the drink offering thereof [shall be] the fourth [part] of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy [place] shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD [for] a drink offering. Numbers 28:7 [See Deuteronomy 29:6 and see again also Leviticus 10:9]

God, has not changed, neither His word:

Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Proverbs 20:1

There were also restrictions of what could be offered unto God and what they themselves could eat [even as today]:

Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. Deuteronomy 14:3 [and the Blood was also to be poured upon the ground], yet both the ceremonially “unclean and the clean” persons could partake of the bountiful feast in eating that which was “clean” [roebuck/hart, etc as previously given by God]

This text of Deuteronomy 14 does not advocate drinking alcohol.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

Yet some have said that, “the tithe was consumed by the practitioner in the place where the Lord's name is”.

Looking at the context of passages again, let us consider the first part of the statement. What does the text say concerning this?:

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Deuteronomy 14:22

And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choo
se to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. Deuteronomy 14:23

Notice that each of the items is the firstfruits/firstlings of the harvest or herds/flocks and for the Levites especially that which was “first ripe” [Numbers 18:12].

“Strong drink” and [fermented] “wine” is not a “firstfruit” of the “seed”, nor “field”, nor herds/flocks, nor is it that which comes from treading out the presses [which would be pure fresh grape juice [new wine]], it is rather something that comes from the processes of time, distillation and fermentation/decay [Proverbs 23:31].  As we can see by the text, the “tithe” was to be of the “corn” [anything of the grain, representing the Bread of Life], “wine” [being the “fruit of the vine”, “new wine”, pure “blood of the grape” or known as pure juice, representing the pure blood of Christ Jesus, from the “press”; Genesis 40:9-11; Joel 3:13; Haggai 2:16 also that which was from the “tread[ing] out”; Nehemiah 13:15; Proverbs 3:10; Isaiah 16:10; Job 24:10-11; Micah 6:15] and “oil” [that which specifically came of the “increase of thy seed”, a symbol of the Holy Spirit] and also of the “firstlings” of the “herds” and “flocks”.

Anything of this “seed” “tithe” was to specifically be of the “increase” “of the field” that cometh forth “year by year”. This also rules out the “strong drink” and [fermented] “wine” from that which they might “eat”.  The word “eat” [while it does/may denote consuming by the mouth/digestion] it also means to “consume by fire, burn up” [see Numbers 28].  Also, as was shown earlier, and according to the texts, the “strong drink” [which could be bought with the travel “tithe” money gained by the sale of the original “tithe” earlier, if the distance to the designated spot of the LORD was too far away for them to carry or take with them], once purchased, was to be poured out unto the LORD [Numbers 28:7].

Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD: Deuteronomy 12:11

Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. Deuteronomy 12:15

They could kill and eat “flesh” [which is what the phrase “whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee” is pertaining to, and with obvious restrictions and limits for God had already declared to eat only that which was of the clean animals: Roebuck/hart/etc [Deuteronomy 14:4-6,9,11,20], and to eat nothing of the blood [Deuteronomy 12:16], nor which died on its own [Deuteronomy 14:21], nor of the unclean/abomination: Deuteronomy 14:3] and is not anywhere condoning the drinking of “strong drink” at all.  This and the drink offering were to be poured out “unto the LORD”.

When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after. Deuteronomy 12:21

The people could not simply eat and feast where they wanted with these items either, they had to do so in the specific and designated spot chosen by God [Deuteronomy 12:18; 14:23], with the given exception, though still allowed/commanded by God; Deuteronomy 12:21 and they were especially not to follow after any of the customs of the heathen nations [which were notorious for drinking strong drink unto their gods and having drunken festivals; Daniel 5:1,4,23; Hosea 3:1 or Dagon and others like Bacchus, etc.]:

Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Deuteronomy 12:30

The Bible over and over warns against alcoholic content, to stay away from it…

…it “stingeth like an adder”, “biteth like a serpent”, “poison of dragons”, “cruel venom of asps”, “mocker”, “raging”, “wounds without cause”, etc… also causing the forgetting of the Commandments and the Law, and causing wrong judgment…and the Bible says “woe unto them”…

[Anonymous]

Melchizedek

More Old Testament, Melchizedek, that Type Of Christ:

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.Genesis 14:18

Let us look at some scriptures and the context of this verse:

Melchizedek was a type of Christ:

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. Psalms 110:4

As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 5:6Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 5:10

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 6:20

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Hebrews 7:11

For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 7:17

(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec: ) Hebrews 7:21

The “Bread” and “Wine”, though real, were also symbolic of the Lord's broken body and shed blood for us.  They were offered without Leaven [without fermentation], pure, holy, undefiled, harmless.

Looking at the text itself and comparing scripture with scripture, Melchizedek was “a priest of the Most High God” , so even Christ Jesus, “our Great High Priest” of the “Heavenly” of the “true Tabernacle” “which the LORD pitched and not man” and they were not to err through drinking any amount of alcoholic and intoxicating “wine”, and most especially when entered into the Tabernacle work and service of God [Leviticus 10:9; Isaiah 28:7; Ezekiel 44:21].

We can also look at further examples of those priests who disobeyed the command.  Aarons' sons had disobeyed through such and they brought “strange fire” before God and then reaped the results, they perished.

Additionally, this “Bread and Wine” was for rejoicing and joyful celebration [Psalms 104:15] for having obtained all of the goods and peoples back from captivity [Genesis 14:16], being the very symbol of God's victory He shall win for His own people, taking them unto Himself in the 2nd Advent and bringing them Back with Him to those Mansions, and Great Heavenly City and so it was not a time for debauchery, nor drunken feasting and revelry, nor looseness, nor lewdness and intoxication.

Melchizedek [was also King/Priest [vs. 18] of Salem [which was pre- Jerusalem; meaning “peace”]]:

“[It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:” Proverbs 31:4

Abraham having come back [notice, not taken back to Sodom/Gomorah!] victorious with all of the substance and captives [as Jesus will also] with great gladness and thanksgiving unto God is the complete opposite of the example of Proverbs 31:6 and the Bible also declares woe unto the Mighty who drink fermented “wine”[Isaiah 5:22].
Christ Jesus, as was Abraham, is the Mighty Victorious.

[Anonymous]

2 Choices, 2 “Wines”, 2 Destinies…

The good unfermented “wine”, the pure Juice of the Grape, “fruit of the vine”:

And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? Judges 9:13

And wine [that] maketh glad the heart of man, [and] oil to make [his] face to shine, and bread [which] strengtheneth man's heart. Psalms 104:15

[for notice it speaks of those things of the field which when harvested, is pure, refreshing, vitalizing, that which makes “glad”, and to “shine” and “strengtheneth”]

The bad fermented alcoholic intoxicating “wine”, the “cup of devils”:

And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I [am] a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD. 1 Samuel 1:15

Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial: for out of the abundance of my complaint and grief have I spoken hitherto. 1 Samuel 1:16

[and see also the example of Nabal, who was “this man of Belial”, “the man [was] churlish and evil in his doings” and “the wine” that was in him; in 1 Samuel 25]For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. Proverbs 4:17

Choose ye this day whom ye will serve…

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Even the Roman Catholic theology admits that their [fermented] “wine” is indeed “intoxicating” [and we will come back to this again, and the theological error of “Transubstantiation”, and the eating of dead flesh and the drinking of dead blood.]:

“The “Transubstantiation” of the “Eucharist”:

” … when the priest consecrates bread and wine, so that they become Christ's body and Christ's blood. …

… But in these two instances, the bread and wine of the Eucharist, the mind is not left to itself. By the revelation of Christ it knows that the substance has been changed, in the one case into the substance of his body, in the other into the substance of his blood. …

… The accidents remain in their totality-for example, that which was wine and is now Christ's blood still has the smell of wine, the intoxicating power of wine. …

… All we shall say here is that his body is wholly present … “ [EWTN online; Frank J. Sheed; Taken from Theology for Beginners  1981 by Frank J. Sheed, Chapter 18.] – http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/eucha4.htm

…it is poison, in more ways than one.

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…now let us move onto the doctrines of the “Clean and Unclean”…

[Anonymous]

The “Clean” and “UnClean”, and the Diet and Health Plan of Scripture

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Mark 7 and Matthew 15

There are many Christians which do not abide by the very Commandments of God in Scripture concerning the Laws of Health and Diet.  They say that the God given rules of delineation between “Clean” and “Unclean” is an old, done away with set of stipulations, merely for the Jew/Israelite to have adhered to [and this claim will be looked at in detail].  Additionally, they even say that they uphold a New Testament diet, and yet even here it wiill be shown to be a false claim, for they eat the blood of animals, even the fat, and know not whether the animals were strangled or properly slaughtered or died of itself, or whether it was diseases, and eat them anyway.  They continue to quote “moderation in all things”, and this mantra is killing the very ones raising it, and their children.  Weep O House of Israel…  will you yet turn from your multitude of sins?  Will you desire your children to live?  There is an attempt to set these aside by several texts, but in so doing, they are bringing disease and misery upon themselves, unhealth and early death, pain and sufferings which need not be.  For Christ Jesus, has given in His Word great light upon Health and Happiness, Peace and Joy in the Lord.  He loves us and desires for all of us to be healthy.  Consider what He had done for the Israelites of Old…  today there are many turning back to the scriptures and studying apart from what they have been “officially” taught and are finding the Truth… the Jews know, even the muslims know, and even certain atheists understand these things, and there are some Christians which are heralding these messages of life…

Let us look at the standard texts raised…

Many will quote Mark Chapter 7 especially the ASV [and other related translations] on the subject of “Clean and Unclean”:7:19 because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean. Mark 7:19 ASV

But the latter portion of the text “This he said, making all meats clean.” is a gross distortion to the Greek, as it separates the thought and adds the Words “This he said” between, which is nowhere found in any of the Greek manuscripts.

Here is the Greek:

oti ouk eisporeuetai autou eiV thn kardian all eiV thn koilian kai eiV ton afedrwna ekporeuetai kaqarizon panta ta brwmata Mark 7:19 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

oti ouk eisporeuetai autou eiV thn kardian all eiV thn koilian kai eiV ton afedrwna ekporeuetai kaqarizon panta ta brwmata Mark 7:19 Byzantine Majority

oti ouk eisporeuetai autou eiV thn kardian all eiV thn koilian kai eiV ton afedrwna ekporeuetai kaqarizwn panta ta brwmata Mark 7:19 Alexandrian

“brwmata” simply means food.

Let's look at the texts of Mark 7 and Matthew 15:

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Matthew 15:11

There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. Mark 7:15

Context [Parable]: “Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.” Matthew 15:15 [See also Mark 7:17]

The disciples did not understand, and were confusing what Jesus had said. The disciples knew what God teaches on the matter of Clean and Unclean, and knew by Jesus very own example of obedience to the Father in them, yet they could not understand His reply to the accusation of the Pharisees. This would not be their first time in misunderstanding the Words of Christ Jesus in His sayings. They were also confused later about the “leaven of Herod and the Pharisees” that Jesus spake of.

Going back a bit, to Verse 1, it was the “scribes and the Pharisees” who were asking Jesus about his disciples, who were transgressing the “tradition of the elders” [which are manmade rules, not commanded of by God] being about “washing of hands” [vs 2] [not from mere dirt, but rather from coming from the Market Place where there were Gentiles, it was a ceremonial uncleaness they were concerned about; Mark 7:2-5].

Jesus then speaks unto them and tells them [scribes/pharisees] that they are the ones who are nullifying God's Word by their “tradition”[vs 3] and the vanity of the “doctrines of men”[vs 9].

This means that Jesus is specifically upholding what God Commands and teaches. Take careful note of this.

Jesus declares that it is the thoughts of the heart [inner disobedience] which defiles.

Anyone who is disobeying the Word of the LORD is defiling him/herself, and this would include disregarding His clear commandments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy on
what may or may not be eaten, for it is inward rebellion and leads to sin [transgression of the law; 1 John 3:4].

Afterall, sin of mankind involved eating something God said expressly not to eat…

However, the whole sum of this is found here:

These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Matthew 15:20

So, the Disciples at the time had been eating a perfectly clean food, bread, with unwashen hands and they were being called “unclean”, for not washing before they had eaten, after coming from an area of Gentiles and/or Markets, by the Pharisees.

Jesus declares to the Pharisees at that point, that it is the thoughts from the heart and the inner disobedience toward God and HIS Commandments that truly defile a person, and that “unwashen” hands after coming from Gentiles is not what makes a person “unclean”.

The entirety of Mark Chapter 7, along with Matthew Chapter 15, is not in any way, shape or form speaking about an elimination or lifting of the Levitical and Deuteronomic Food Laws, but is rather speaking about contact with Gentiles and the Pharisaical avoidance of all “uncleaness” that they thought they attracted from dealing with the Gentiles or the things they used, being pots, pans, tables, etc. To eat with “unwashen hands” after coming from those places of Gentiles did not “defile” them as the Pharisees taught.

The Pharisees would literally wash all of their items and themselves afterward and/or beforehand when dealing with the Gentile peoples.

The Pharisees had come to the man-made conclusion and thought that by mere contact and touch with the Gentiles, or their items, that they would somehow contract their “uncleaness”, “impurity” and/or “heatheness” when in reality they were already disrespecting and disobeying the commandments of God for their own traditions and superstitions by creating a wall of “traditions” separating them from the very peoples they were to be the Light to, thus nullifying the very “Commandments” of God.

The Jews were supposed to be the Light to the Gentiles, but instead they cut themselves off, distanced themselves and hoarded the Truth, until finally, they had become blinded in darkness, “…a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof…” [2 Timothy 3:5].

Look at the texts themselves in what Jesus said about the Parable:

And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him; Mark 7:18

Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Mark 7:19

And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. Mark 7:20

For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Mark 7:21

Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: Mark 7:22

All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Mark 7:23

The whole passage does not even mention the Commandments of God on the “unclean” at all and is not the point of the Parable. However, the texts do mention “evil thoughts” “from within” that lead to rebellion and disobedience to the clear commandments of God on this subject.Let us ask, “Did Jesus sin?” “Did Jesus teach others to transgress the law of God?”

As will be shown by further texts, Christians [the Apostles and Disciples even] continued to obey God in the Commandments, long after Jesus ascended into Heaven.

Mark 7 and Matthew 15, do not abolish, remove, negate, alter even a single one the Health Laws of God, known even since the Beginning…

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