Why is it impossible for God to be or do evil

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,05:58)

Adam and Eve did not learn “evil” by eating the fruit of the tree but learn what was acting wrongly towards God and it's  consequence

You Just get a boost of adrenaline everytime
you contradict the scriptures.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest **freely eat**:

THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE WAS THERE ALSO IN THE MIDS OF THE GARDEN. BEFORE EVE ATE THE FRUIT THEREOF.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou **shalt not eat of it**: for in the day that thou **eatest** thereof thou shalt surely die.

EATEST=EAT.BRAEKING THE LAW BY EATING OF THE FRUIT.
BREAKING THE LAW BY EATING STRANGE FLESH.

wakeup.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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you contradict the scriptures.

no I am not, the scriptures says that it is KNOWLEDGE THAT WILL BE KNOWN ; BUT WITH CONSEQUENCES

[Wakeup]

T.

Joseph is not perfect,for no man is.

God saw before hand; before He created lucifer.
But He did not refrain from creating Him.
God carried on: despite his fore knowledge that lucifer will become the greatest evil on earth.

God saw before hand, that Eve is going to take the fruit
of knowledge. But He: knowingly puts it there in the mids of the garden.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

what Eve is gone

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 02 2014,01:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 01 2014,23:01) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 01 2014,05:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 01 2014,05:00) T. No need to beat about the bush. Going around circles to answer a simple question. Was the tree of GOOD and EVIL put there before EVE sinned? Y/N? wakeup. Hi Wakeup: I have already answered this question in the other thread that you made this statement. The answer to your question is No, it was not, not as you stated it.  That is not what the scripture states. God back and read it, and quote it correctly, and you will see that what you are stating is not correct. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Genesis 2:16   And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:  Genesis 2:17   But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Those scriptures tell us that the tree of good and evil was there;and Eve took it and ate it.She put forth her hand,and touched it. It had to be there unless you can explain it otherwise. Was the tree of life put there or not? Why would the angel have to protect it from Adam and Eve; eating it? wakeup. Hi Wakeup: You are leaving the word “knowledge” out when you state that the tree of “good and evil” was there. And that word is very important to the scripture otherwise it would have been left out as you are trying to do. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. OK,the tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the garden before Eve touched it. The knowledge of good and evil was put in the garden For Adam and Eve to *discover* good and evil. Eve nor the serpent, put the tree in the garden;but God did. The serpent was there before Eve sinned. The tree was there before Eve sinned. wakeup.

Yes, He did put that tree in the garden, but he also put “the tree of life” in the garden, did He not?

He also told Adam what what happen if they ate of the tree, and so, He rightly, taught Eve what God said, and she sinned, and instead of Adam correcting her, he ate also, and so, they found that good was to obey God and evil was to disobey, and it still is the case, is it not?

God does know what is good and what is evil, but no, HE did not create evil.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

Who was the one that placed the tree of GOOD and EVIL?
GOOD and EVIL.meaning.
To obey God is good; and to disobey God is evil.
I can see where you are coming from.

But lucifer was there with bad intensions.
The father of evil was hanging around,with evil intensions
waiting for the opportunity to act.

Lucifer had already sinned *in his heart*,and he has one third of the angels in heaven on his side.
Actually; the serpent was the angel named GADRI'EL;
acting on lucifer's behalf. According to Enoch.

This makes things more clear.
The serpent was not lucifer;but one of his angels.(GADRI'EL).
He and many other chief angels are put in chain up to now.
But lucifer, now satan, is free to do his job,up to now.

As one is teaching;one is also learning.
Lucifer is not just an angel;but a highly positioned cherub.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

the tree of KNOWLEDGE of wright and wrong ;

only brings knowledge of what is wright and wrong

[942767]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 04 2014,09:50)

Marty. Who was the one that placed the tree of GOOD and EVIL? GOOD and EVIL.meaning. To obey God is good; and to disobey God is evil. I can see where you are coming from. But lucifer was there with bad intensions. The father of evil was hanging around,with evil intensions waiting for the opportunity to act. Lucifer had already sinned *in his heart*,and he has one third of the angels in heaven on his side. Actually; the serpent was the angel named GADRI'EL; acting on lucifer's behalf. According to Enoch. This makes things more clear. The serpent was not lucifer;but one of his angels.(GADRI'EL). He and many other chief angels are put in chain up to now. But lucifer, now satan, is free to do his job,up to now. As one is teaching;one is also learning. Lucifer is not just an angel;but a highly positioned cherub. wakeup.

Wakeup:

To whom is God referring in Isaiah 14 in referring to Lucifer?

If you will read the whole chapter, you will understand that He is speaking of the King of Babylon.

It seems that you are trying to bring in something that you have heard from some other source, Islam, relative to Lucifer and what they say that he was prior to “falling from heaven”.  But this is nowhere in the scriptures.  When God is speaking of Lucifer falling from heaven, He is speaking of the King of Babylon falling from his exalted state.  God knows how to humble someone. The book of Enoch is not part of the scriptures that have been shown as part of the canon. 

Read the chapter and then give me your understanding of what you have read.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Hi Wakeup:

Why would God put some angels who have sinned in chains awaiting judgment, and allow Lucifer who is not satan to go free? That doesn't even make sense. I have never heard of that angel “Gadri'el. It isn't in the scriptures.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 04 2014,13:01)

Hi Wakeup: Why would God put some angels who have sinned in chains awaiting judgment, and allow Lucifer who is not satan to go free?  That doesn't even make sense.  I have never heard of that angel “Gadri'el.  It isn't in the scriptures. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty.

In the book of Enoch it says that it was the angel gadre'el
that temped eve.
Lucifer must be his title;the light bearer.
His real name must be gadre'el.
I believe Enoch was a true witness to the old world before the flood.

Isaiah 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled** the nations in anger**, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isaiah 14:7 **The whole earth is at rest**, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isaiah 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, **Since thou art laid down**, no feller is come up against us.

Isaiah 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, **even all the chief ones of the earth**; it hath raised up from their thrones **all the kings of the nations**.

Isaiah 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Isaiah 14:12 **How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer**, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken **the nations**!

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; **I will be like the most High**.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou **shalt** be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

wakeup.

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 04 2014,13:01) Hi Wakeup: Why would God put some angels who have sinned in chains awaiting judgment, and allow Lucifer who is not satan to go free?  That doesn't even make sense.  I have never heard of that angel “Gadri'el.  It isn't in the scriptures. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. In the book of Enoch it says that it was the angel gadre'el that temped eve. Lucifer must be his title;the light bearer. His real name must be gadre'el. I believe Enoch was  a true witness to the old world before the flood.  Isaiah 14:6   He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled** the nations in anger**, is persecuted, and none hindereth.  Isaiah 14:7   **The whole earth is at rest**, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.  Isaiah 14:8   Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, **Since thou art laid down**, no feller is come up against us.  Isaiah 14:9   Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, **even all the chief ones of the earth**; it hath raised up from their thrones **all the kings of the nations**.  Isaiah 14:10   All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?  Isaiah 14:11   Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.  Isaiah 14:12   **How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer**, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken **the nations**!  Isaiah 14:13   For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  Isaiah 14:14   I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; **I will be like the most High**.  Isaiah 14:15   Yet thou **shalt** be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.  wakeup.

Hi wakeup:

My bible states that it was the serpent that tempted Eve. Therefore, I do not believe that the book of Enoch is inspired by God.

And you are not posting the whole of the scriptures in Isaiah 14, and so I will post the verse to whom the scriptures that you posted are speaking.

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Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

And the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, not good and evil itself.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

The king of Babylon is satan.
He is the god of this world.
His name was mentioned.(lucifer).
King Nebuchadnezzar has never been in eden,
nor the king of Tyrus.
Ezekiel 28.

wakeup.

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Marty. The king of Babylon is satan. He is the god of this world. His name was mentioned.(lucifer). King Nebuchadnezzar has never been in eden, nor the king of Tyrus. Ezekiel 28. wakeup.

Yes, they were never in the garden of Eden, but Adam was and he brought that spirit that they now posses into the world.

And and this was what God said about Nebu:

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Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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And about the Prince of Tyrus God said this: Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

And so, that about being in the garden of Eden relates symbolically to their self-exalted postion and living as if they were in paradise. And to Adam who brought that spirit into the world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

it is a fact that God did not create evil ,in any way ,even if you bible version tells you so it is wrongly translated ,

the one who is love cannot be the source of evil ;

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 05 2014,07:08) Marty. The king of Babylon is satan. He is the god of this world. His name was mentioned.(lucifer). King Nebuchadnezzar has never been in eden, nor the king of Tyrus. Ezekiel 28. wakeup. Yes, they were never in the garden of Eden, but Adam was and he brought that spirit that they now posses into the world. And and this was what God said about Nebu: Quote Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Quote And about the Prince of Tyrus God said this: Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. And so, that about being in the garden of Eden relates symbolically to their self-exalted postion and living as if they were in paradise.  And to Adam who brought that spirit into the world. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

1.WHO IS LUCIFER,SON OF THE MORNING?
2. WEAKEN *THE NATIONS*(WORLD NATIONS).

Isa 14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will ***exalt my throne above the stars of God***: I will sit also upon the **mount of the congregation**, in the sides of the north:

1.I *WILL* ASCEND TO HEAVEN.
2.EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD(ANGELS OF
GOD)
3. SIT UPON THE MOUNT OF CONGREGATION.(RELIGIONS)
WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATES.
4.MOUNT=(KINGDOM) OF CONGREGATIONS.

Isa 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; ***I will be like the most High.***[/quote]

1.I WILL BE LIKE GOD.SITTING IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD.
2. *I* = LUCIFER: KING OF BABYLON THE GREAT.
3.IF YOU KNOW PROPHESY; YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT TYRE.
4. TYRE IS THE WORLD OF TRADE AND COMMERCE, OF
BABYLON THE GREAT.SHE IS ALSO CALLED THE HARLOT.

wakeup.

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