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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2014,10:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2014,11:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2014,05:57) T. Yes,Ezekiel is a chosen prophet send to israel to prophecy.
wakeup.
SO IS JESUS
T.So is isaiah.
So is Jeremiah.
So is John.etc,etc.What is your point?
wakeup.
wwhat was yours
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2014,20:12) That was good Besee. God created light and the absence of light.
The absence of light makes one walk in the dark.
And to stumble and fall.
How art thou fallen from heaven, o' son of the morning?
The light was take from him.
Now he is the god of this world, which leads all in the path of darkness.We can reach to God to have some of that light.wakeup.
W,Yes.
So God did not CREATE evil,
God ALLOWED evil.
God has every right to do what He wants to.
It's His world.
Who are we to question?
If God wants to wipe us out,
then He can.
Who can stop Him?
Fear God!
But do not say that God created or was behind EVIL.Here is what it says…
'If anyone is doing evil,
don't let Him say that GOD has tempted Him with evil,
because God cannot be tempted with evil,
nor tempts anyone.
Instead,
each man is being tempted and carried away by HIS OWN evil desires'
God gave us a way out.
But we have CHOICE.
You choose good,
or you choose bad.
But God is ONLY Good.
and Man is made less than God.Evil is just a word,
for the absence of God in a person.Example,
I sent my Son (8) to a holiday program (day trip),
not Christian.
I felt uneasy,
him going.
I prayed “Father, please look after Him,
and keep evil away from Him”.
By evil,
I meant bad people,
who may get at his mind,
or something.
We can't really define evil.
But it is definitely the absence of God in another,
I would say.
Because God is good.Excuse my post layout,
Just easier to correct on a phone.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 29 2014,10:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2014,20:12) That was good Besee. God created light and the absence of light.
The absence of light makes one walk in the dark.
And to stumble and fall.
How art thou fallen from heaven, o' son of the morning?
The light was take from him.
Now he is the god of this world, which leads all in the path of darkness.We can reach to God to have some of that light.wakeup.
W,Yes.
So God did not CREATE evil,
God ALLOWED evil.
God has every right to do what He wants to.
It's His world.
Who are we to question?
If God wants to wipe us out,
then He can.
Who can stop Him?
Fear God!
But do not say that God created or was behind EVIL.Here is what it says…
'If anyone is doing evil,
don't let Him say that GOD has tempted Him with evil,
because God cannot be tempted with evil,
nor tempts anyone.
Instead,
each man is being tempted and carried away by HIS OWN evil desires'
God gave us a way out.
But we have CHOICE.
You choose good,
or you choose bad.
But God is ONLY Good.
and Man is made less than God.Evil is just a word,
for the absence of God in a person.Example,
I sent my Son (8) to a holiday program (day trip),
not Christian.
I felt uneasy,
him going.
I prayed “Father, please look after Him,
and keep evil away from Him”.
By evil,
I meant bad people,
who may get at his mind,
or something.
We can't really define evil.
But it is definitely the absence of God in another,
I would say.
Because God is good.Excuse my post layout,
Just easier to correct on a phone.
2Besee.Who created lucifer?
wakeup.
W,
Good question.
Here is a good answer, imo.
Quoted from:
http://support.amazingdiscoveries.org/index.p….il]httpSomebody asked:
“Why did God create Lucifer if he knew Lucifer would be evil?
If he can't err then why is there Lucifer?? Surely he is a mistake, and all God had to do was think him away and he would cease to exist. All creation was from His Word, God's word. I am totally confused as the creation of Lucifer has brought nothing but pain and suffering. God could not have wanted this, as he is a loving God – not spiteful, and wishing suffering on his children. Yet it is happening everyday all over the world. Living in a Third World Country a child dies every second from starvation. I as a person would never let this happen if I had his Power. I find it extremely confusing, but then I believe Man has altered everything to his own Greed and Satisfaction and that huge chunks of the Bible are missing. Thank goodness my time on Earth is now limited as I would like to ask him face to face, or Jesus Why?? It tears me apart to see such inhumanity on this Planet.”Answer:
“Lucifer's self-focused rebellion in the very presence of God is called the “mystery of iniquity.” He was the most privileged of all God's heavenly creation, one of the covering cherubs, “full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.” He was seen to be such among the angels, and that fact must have been one reason why he was able to draw so many into iniquity with him. He was also extremely visually appealing to all: “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” Ezek 28:12-19.
Be assured God did not err in His creation of Lucifer. All of His thinking creation is given free will. Obedience rendered out of fear, or in robotic mindsets, has no meaning to Him. “God is love” (1 John 4:16). He exemplifies the highest, purest heart motive possible, and it is what He wants in our response to Him and others. That can come only through willing hearts, not from fear. God, by His very nature, can use only love and only truth. Satan can use every shade of untruth and force that history has already revealed. When Satan worked to deceive his fellow angels, some believed him.
If God had destroyed Lucifer immediately, before the angels fully understood what Satan was all about, their loyalty would have been love tempered with fear. Therefore, in His perfect wisdom, God must allow Satan's character to be fully manifested. Even Christ's painful life and ultimate death on the cross was not enough to expose the full malignancy of sin. That will come during Jacob's time of trouble. God must have it so that sin can be seen in its ultimate character, because He works today, for “he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.” Nahum 1:9. Sin will be seen for what it is, and hated so much that never will it arise again in all of Creation.
Is it a painful process to endure and witness? Absolutely, and more so for God, but it must be done.We must trust in His wisdom, because His character must be vindicated before the universe.”
2Besee.
I agree with that,but it does not answer the question.
Can God teach us, and show us, what is good and evil
without creating good and evil first?Would you not teach your son what is good and what is bad,
and also show him what they are?
How can you teach him if you can not show him any examples?Another example.
To teach your son colours;first *YOU* must go and get those colours: so you can show it to him.
*YOU* have to bring into existence those colours,to show
him.wakeup.
W, I don't know. It's not something we should entertain the idea of. Remember, God is good. Every good thing comes from God. God is love. Maybe you should just stop thinking about this.
ALL
Quote God must have it so that sin can be seen in its ultimate character, this is a part of 2bee quotation ;and I call this false ;for the reason if this was true then GOD WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT DOWN THE FLOOD ,NOR DESTROYED ;SODOM AND GOMORRAH
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 30 2014,08:05) W, I don't know. It's not something we should entertain the idea of. Remember, God is good. Every good thing comes from God. God is love. Maybe you should just stop thinking about this.
2Besee.So are you good to your son,and therefore you must show him what is good and what is bad,and chastise him if he does not listen.
Show him what to touch, and what not to touch.God had to create lucifer first,and then man.
The perfectly created Cherub that *became* the father of evil.
And God knew this from the beginning.
God also knew from the beginning that Eve is going to listen to the serpent. God also knew that satan will become the god of this world.God knew the end from the beginning.
God does not make mistakes.wakeup.
W,
Quote therefore you must show him what is good and what is bad I try to keep Him away from Bad. If he sees bad, then he knows it's bad. But if I had a choice, He would only know what is good. But unless we lived in a Dessert somewhere, that cannot be.
However, I can PROTECT Him as much as I can, and train Him up right, to know the difference, and do what is right.
God offers us protection too, as a Heavenly Father.
Things I would have fallen to pieces over in the past, I am stronger now. Because God strengthens us.
But that doesn't mean that the Heavenly Father is the CAUSE of what is evil and bad.
No.
Wakeup, move on!Evil will be finished soon.
2Besee.
Do you know the meaning of the word chastise?
Well; the scripture says: God chastises them he loves.If you dont love your son ,you would let him do his own thing,and even reward him for doing bad.
Hard times is because God loves you,not to punish.
Rejoice through hard times,for this we know that God loves us.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Yes I know.So what has this got to do with God, as you say, causing evil?
I've never heard that before, and I don't believe it.To say God creates evil is to imply that God IS evil, or God has evil in Him.
That's not true.Give it up Wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 31 2014,19:44) W, Chastising and discipline is not evil.
2Besee.I never said God is evil.
He created evil *for us* to know evil.
He created light and darkness also.
Without any darkness we will never know what darkness is.
There is no night in heaven.There will be no night in the new earth.
All that; is past. His children have seen, and experienced,
Light and darkness. Good and evil.
They have chosen the good,and have rejected evil.There is only one reason why the churches are hiding these scriptures from the flock.
1.They dont know the answer to it.
2.They like to preach smooth things,to have them back every
sunday.
3.To make them feel good for a while.We should go for the truth only.God chastises because he loves us all. He wants us all to be saved,and not touch
the unclean thing,but the spirit of the flesh(lust and greed) is in the way big time.wakeup.
W,
Churches DON'T preach 'smooth things' they preach eternal conscious torment!
All except the SDA's and a few others.I leave you alone to your thoughts here.
See you later :o)Wakeup,
Sometimes when I don't know, I go to those that do know.
SDA's and Eastern Orthodox.
Humility is knowing we don't have all the answers and sometimes NEED to go to someone else.See you around here.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 31 2014,20:31) Wakeup,
Sometimes when I don't know, I go to those that do know.
SDA's and Eastern Orthodox.
Humility is knowing we don't have all the answers and sometimes NEED to go to someone else.See you around here.
2Besee.Isaiah 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
wakeup.
all
if it is impossible for God to lie IT IS FOR THAT SAME REASON THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO HAVE CREATED EVIL .
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2014,10:05) all if it is impossible for God to lie IT IS FOR THAT SAME REASON THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO HAVE CREATED EVIL .
T.This is your own composition.
Which the scriptures disagree with.
God CAN lie if he wanted to,but does not lie.
God CAN create evil,and He did create lucifer.
All for us to know evil and good,so we can choose.wakeup.
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