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Hi Stu:
Quote ++” I also mentioned that many have personal testimonies of physical healings, I believe that these are verifiable facts. I don’t believe a single account of faith healing. All proper studies of such things demonstrate that faith and prayer have an effect equivalent to a placebo. I do, however reserve a particular dislike for those who tell people that their terminal illnesses can be healed through faith alone. The evidence says they are liars, and they prey on particularly vulnerable people.
It appears to me that you are trying find excuses not to believe the gospel. In the gospel of John, the 9th chapter, Jesus healed a man who was born blind, and even after this evidence, there were those who would not believe. One of the people that was saved through my ministry, wrote to me telling me that when I have him the trac pertaining to the gospel, he did not believe, but when his mother had a cancer behind her heart which was inoperable, he got on his knees and prayed to God to heal his mother, and he became a believer when the cancer disappeared. I guess you would have to be the doctor who was treating this person's mother to have seen the before and after, but I do believe this testimony because I know that God can and does heal.
There is alot of misunderstanding in Christendom about faith healing.
The scripture states:
Quote James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Notice that it is responsibility of the person that is sick to exercise their faith in this scripture for the healing. Secondly, the scripture states to call the elders of the church to do the praying. Through experience, I have learned that God can heal in four ways. First, he created the immune system and heal in that way. Second, he can heal a person through a doctor. Third, he can show a person what he has to do to get healed. For example, a person that has high blood pressure, would get healed through learning proper diet and exercise. If God healed this kind of sickness instanteously it would not do any good if the person did not learn to take care of his body this way. He would be right back the same way. And finally, God can heal a person instantaneously. The scripture mentioned also says that if a person has any sins when exercising their faith in God's word for a healing that their sins will be forgiven. And so, God can heal a person physically and let that person continue in this world, but sooner or later the body will die. We are not expected to live in this mortal body forever. If a person excercises their faith for a healing, according to this scripture, then dies, they are healed in that their sins are forgiven. Their body has died but their soul will be saved.
Also, in the Christian church there are different talents, and different spiritual gifts. Not every Christian has the spiritual gift of faith healing, and this is a misunderstanding that some Christians have. They believe that any Christian has this gift of healing, but this is what the scripture states:
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1 Co. 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: F41 and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, F42 but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ
Those that tell a person that they can be healed of a terminal illness mean well in that they want a person to be healed, but they lack the above knowledge.
Quote ++”Why then do I see those, who profess not to believe that there is a God, when there is a life threating event such a hurricane, all of a sudden begin praying for God to protect them? Why do masses of people turn away from their gods after such events? Do they start to see that there is no difference between the numbers of devout believers and the numbers of atheists injured or killed in such event?
Christians are not immune from physical death, but there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Quote John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. Quote ++” God made man in his own image. Does god have a navel too?
I have already in what ways man is made in God's image.
Quote ++”No, he is not unpredictable, but he has given us His Word, and is up to you to believe it or not. I did say that some of the judgments in the Old Testament were hard to understand, and that I have had to ask for understanding on many occasions, and whenever I have a question, I know that I can go to God in prayer and He will answer my prayer. I told you what the fairies in my garden tell me. You did not say what the little voice(s) say to you!
++”And so, your impression of God is not correct. He is a God of love and a God of justice.
And how do we judge this? I think you will find, looking round this forum, that scripture is everything. It must be: there is no other “evidence”. The OT shows god to be the most unspeakably monstrous character in the history of fiction. Bibles should carry warning labels.
I have told you that when you have seen the life that Jesus lived, you have seen God's character manifest through his life. A genuine Christian should also be manifesting God's character through his life.
The following is what you should see in a genuine Christian, however, not without the person being immune from making a mistake:
Quote . Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections F12 and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. The scripture is evidence true, but should be manifest through the life of the believer.
Quote Good luck with your ambitions. I would far prefer you unleash your mythology on those who choose to go and hear it in a church than on unsuspecting and undeserving bystanders in public places Thanks for the good wishes. My commision for the Lord is to share the gospel, which is good news, with whomever will hear. I will serve him out of my love for him in whatever postion he chooses to use me.
Quote Christianity shares with communism, fascism and Islam a set of doctrines that immunise against critical thinking by warning of those who are in some way untrue, or critical of the totalitarian regime. This is one such tract. The irony is that it speaks to the genuinely ignorant of the supposed ignorance of the outsiders. If you can say this of Jesus who gave his life and suffered all that he did so that you and I could be reconciled to God having all of our sins forgiven, then what you say is true. I just do not happen to agree with this assesment.
God Bless
Hi 942767
++”It appears to me that you are trying find excuses not to believe the gospel. In the gospel of John, the 9th chapter, Jesus healed a man who was born blind, and even after this evidence, there were those who would not believe.
Yes, but we have already established that there was no actual eyewitness account of this, and John has every reason to elaborate the legend of the messiah a little in order to fulfil prophecies. The gospels are the same kind of evidence you get from watching a car commercial. The only difference is that the car commercial must by law be factually reliable.
++”One of the people that was saved through my ministry, wrote to me telling me that when I have him the trac pertaining to the gospel, he did not believe, but when his mother had a cancer behind her heart which was inoperable, he got on his knees and prayed to God to heal his mother, and he became a believer when the cancer disappeared. I guess you would have to be the doctor who was treating this person's mother to have seen the before and after, but I do believe this testimony because I know that God can and does heal.
Would you go to a doctor who had learned all of his medical knowledge from his friends and extended family, telling him anecdotes of their home remedies? I think you would avoid such a medico. Medicine is not based on hearsay or anecdote, it is based on double-blind research and gives us modern treatments that work – that would have seemed miraculous to ancient people. Can you show me one single properly conducted piece of research that shows faith-based healing to be any better than a sugar pill?
You say that the immune system, doctors, good nutrition and exercise, and god are the four means of “faith” healing. The first three can be explained very well without a god, and the fourth has never been demonstrated, with any actual evidence, to have happened. I maintain that anyone who tells a cancer patient in all seriousness that they can stop the chemo and start praying, and expect a good chance of cure is one of the most despicable and parasitic characters imaginable. Even saying that prayer will help the medical treatment has been shown to be a lie.
++”We are not expected to live in this mortal body forever. If a person excercises their faith for a healing, according to this scripture, then dies, they are healed in that their sins are forgiven. Their body has died but their soul will be saved.
What is your definition of “soul”, and what evidence is there for such a thing?
++”Christians are not immune from physical death, but there will be a resurrection from the dead.
On the entire sum of human experience and observation this is wrong. Notwithstanding some drugs that can give a person the temporary appearance of being dead, no human has even been observed to live after death.
++”I have already in what ways man is made in God's image.
Did Adam have a navel?
++”The scripture is evidence true, but should be manifest through the life of the believer.
Scripture is not evidence. It is demonstrably historical fiction.
++”Thanks for the good wishes. My commision for the Lord is to share the gospel, which is good news, with whomever will hear. I will serve him out of my love for him in whatever postion he chooses to use me.
Maybe you should stay quiet about the OT. All that anger and smiting might put folks off!
++”[on the subject of christian doctrine immunising the faithful against criticism] If you can say this of Jesus who gave his life and suffered all that he did so that you and I could be reconciled to God having all of our sins forgiven, then what you say is true. I just do not happen to agree with this assesment.
You actually don’t know the first thing about Jesus as a man, except on the contradictory and very coloured accounts of the writers of the gospels. It is not Jesus who immunises you against clear thinking, but the whole machinery of the christian church since then.
Stuart
Hi Stu:
You say:
Quote You actually don’t know the first thing about Jesus as a man, except on the contradictory and very coloured accounts of the writers of the gospels. It is not Jesus who immunises you against clear thinking, but the whole machinery of the christian church since then. My knowledge of Jesus as a man comes through a personal relationship that I have with God through him, and I know that the Word of God is true through the testimony of God's Spirit within me. Obviously, you don't believe that my testimony is true, and so, I can only hope and pray that you will also will some day have a personal relationship with God through His Son and his Christ so that you will know that what I have shared with you is the truth.
Remembering that I was an agnostic at one time, I will post the following scripture. This is what the scripture states and not me.
Quote 1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. I believe that I have answered the rest of the questions that you have posted in this last post in some of my discussions with you, but if you do not feel that I have, please restate your question and I will give you my understanding.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 24 2007,11:51) I believe that I have answered the rest of the questions that you have posted in this last post in some of my discussions with you, but if you do not feel that I have, please restate your question and I will give you my understanding. God Bless
Hi 942767Would you go to a doctor who had learned all of his medical knowledge from his friends and extended family, telling him anecdotes of their home remedies?
Can you show me one single properly conducted piece of research that shows faith-based healing to be any better than a sugar pill?
What is your definition of “soul”, and what evidence is there for such a thing?
Did Adam have a navel?
Stuart
Hi Stu:
You ask:
Quote Would you go to a doctor who had learned all of his medical knowledge from his friends and extended family, telling him anecdotes of their home remedies? If I have an illness which can not be taken care of by immune system, I first exercise faith in God's word, by calling the elders of the church to pray as the scripture that I shared with indicates, then I go to a doctor if need be. I am treated at the VA Hospital by doctors from Duke Hospital. I put my faith in God for my healing and then if God chooses to use a doctor to accomplish the healing and not the doctor.
Many of the treatments that doctors provide are not healings at all. They treat the symptoms which is not a healing but a temporary measure to help you cope with the discease. I will be 65 years old next month and I am not on any medication.But your sarcasm regarding this was spurred by the fact that I told you of the healing of a cancer that the mother of an individual with whom I shared the gospel. I did not see the evidence myself. He only told me about it, but I believe that God can and does heal. I believe that he created the human body, and so if he did this, who would be the best qualified to heal it? Doctors do have equipment that would show that there was a cancer at one time, and with the same equipment they can see if it has disappeared.
You ask:
Quote Can you show me one single properly conducted piece of research that shows faith-based healing to be any better than a sugar pill? Probably not any that would satisfy you, but or any skeptic. I know what God has done in my personal life and that of others. But I will search to see if there is some research that has done on this subject that might interest you. I will get back to you and let you know what I find.
You ask:
Quote What is your definition of “soul”, and what evidence is there for such a thing? My answer:
Quote Genesis 2:7 the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being(soul). The following is what the dictionary states:
Quote 1. the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part. The evidence is you and I.
You ask:
Quote Did Adam have a navel? You asked this question because I said God made man in his own image and it has nothing to do with whether or not Adam had a navel. Adam was made in the image of God in that he as well as God are living beings. God is a spiritual being and does not in himself have a body.
Since Adam was a created being there would not have been any reason for a navel.
God Bless
Hi Stu:
I looked on the internet for research that may have been conducted on Faith Healing, and I know that I am wasting my time.
As I have said to you and showed you by scripture, that there are spiritual gifts which should be part of the church. One of these gift is the gift of healing. Some times Christians think that since they are Christians that they can operate in the same anointing as Jesus Christ. There are some who probably are deceiving people trying to make a quick dollar.
As I have indicated, I am promised through prophecy an anointing similar to the Apostle Peter, and that anointing was such that when he walked the street people would bring their sick folk so that they would be healed if even Peter's shadow fell on them.
Quote 14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into F8 the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. If this prophecy has come from God, and I do receive this anointing, I will let this website know about it. I can not heal any one. If this happens, it will be God doing the healing through me.
I also believe that there are those in Christendom who are considered to be elders because they have gone to Seminary and have received all kinds of degrees, but if God did not ordain them for the position that they claim to have, they are not the elders they claim to be.
This is the best that I can do to answer your question. I know what God has done in my personal life and that of others, and so, I know that God can and does heal, but I also know that we are not expected to live in this body forever.
God Bless
Hi 942767
From reading your posts it strikes me that you are quite an articulate and considerate person. The atheist in me wants to shake you and convince you not to waste your talents telling lies to people, but you seem determined.
On the matter of the soul, we will have to differ. I think what you call a soul is actually the illusion of a part independent of the physical body, brought about by our brain biochemistry through a lack of really considering carefully the idea of ego / id.
As a primer on faith healing, Wikipedia is worth a read (although it's not brilliant). What is clearest is that intercessory prayer has no effect – the best reports are the ones called meta studies, which collate and average the results from lots of different pieces of research. There has been no observed effect of any kind with faith healing, and there are demonstrated examples of the deceptions that faith healers use to display apparent success. I can't imagine anyone wanting to join professionally the despicable shower of parasites like Hinn, Roberts, Robertson et al who prey on those with a terminal illness while feathering their own nests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing
Stuart
Hi Stu:
No, I am not wasting my talents. What I have shared with you in my testimony is true. I wanted to correct something that I said relative to my being 65 years old and not taking any medication. I do have a problem with and enlarged prostrate which causes me to get up to use the bathroom during the night. I have chosen not to take the medication that has offered me by my physicians because of the side effects involved.
I have excercised my faith in God's Word asking for God to heal me of this problem and He has not. It may be that the healing is delayed for a reason. I used to get angry with God because I did not understand why if His Word indicated that I would be healed if I exercised my faith in His Word, I wasn't healed. One of my faults that I have overcome is getting angry with my family when after I shared the Word of God with them, they did not respond by obeying what God said to them through me. If a person obeys God it has to be because they want to obey Him and not because I get angry. If they obey because I am angry, they will be obeying for the wrong motive. Their response has comes from their own heart. If God heals me, and I believe that He will, it will not be because I am angry with Him but because He loves me.
Also, I believe that the reason that the spiritual gifts that the bible mentions should be part of the Christian church are not in the church today is because of the false doctrines that have infiltrated the church. The two main doctrines that they teach that are not true are the doctrine of “Trinity” and the doctrine of “original sin”, but there are others as well. God cannot confirm doctrines that are not true.
As I have indicated God has shown me that He will use me as a Bishop which is an overseer in the church in this last day. God will use me to correct the doctrines that are not true. The church will not listen to me unless God shows that what I am teaching is the truth, therefore, he will confirm my teaching through the promised anointing that I have already mentioned.
You mentioned that you perhaps seeing me as a considerate person. Yes, God has formed my personality and is forming my personality to be like Him. Jesus is the “express image of his person” (Hebrews 1:1-3), and when God is finished with me, I will be like him.
God Bless
I hope you never tell an insulin-dependent diabetic to give up insulin. They will get very sick within days. This is the side of televangelism you never see – the apparent miracles are all stage illusion.
You will have read in the Wikipedia article about spontaneous remission of cancer – this happens to curmugeonly atheists jsut as much as it does to the devout.I certainly understand your decision regarding your own medication, but I think the fact that you have not been healed by faith (and, by all we know, will not be) should tell you something. Most men end up with an enlarged prostate, and if we all lived to 85 we would just about all have very slowly developing prostate cancer as well. Have you considered how incompetent your designer friend god is, having put the urinary tract straight through an organ so prone to enlargement?
Many young people are told their prayers are always answered, and when it seems that it has not, the pastor/religious parent's response is “your prayer WAS answered, but the answer was no!” Those with a brain to think for themselves soon work out that this answer is indistinguishable from there being no god at all.
Stuart
Stu,
Did you know that one (1) out of every three (3) deaths in the United States were caused by properly prescribed perscriptions?I've been studying nutrition for over 15 years, most of todays diabetics got that way through “gluttony” of one sort or another. Scripture warns us against gluttony. Also there are many “safer” alternatives to overcome diadetes than perscription drugs, which “always” have negative side effects.
Natural alternatives live Co-enzyme 10, are more effective and have no side effects than their evil alternative, antibotics. CoQ10 also strengthens the heart, and destroys cancer tumors.
Elohim promised us that plants were to be used for meicine.
Scripture also warns against the drug sourcerers. Not only the illegal drug dealers, but the rug dealers under the guise of the USFDA. Government leaders are the first to know about the “newly approved” drugs, and invest in them because billions of dollars of profit come attached to these approved drugs.
Today 1 in every 165 “children” have autism. Autism is linked to mercury poisioning, and ingredient in vaccines, used as a preservative.
Doctors make us sick. Before you go shopping for an over the counter pain relief try “rest.” Before you buy a cold remedy. try a cup of hot tea mixed with 1tsp. natural honey and the juice of 1/2 an orange squeezed in.
Sin leads to death, it is obvious to a believer, that life without our Creator leads not only to emotional illness, but physical illnesses as well. That is not to say that sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and are also suseptable to illness and injury.
Stu,
94 has been amazingly patient with you. The things you say to him against our Creator are also against us. His words of patients, and care for even you an unbeliever, show just how powerful the Spirit of Elohim can be if we let Him guide our lives.So 94bishop I just want to say WOW! Somewhere someone will certainly come to know the love and mercy of our Creator because of the wrok you do.
Laurel
Hi Laurel
++”Did you know that one (1) out of every three (3) deaths in the United States were caused by properly prescribed perscriptions?
Can you please cite the research that backs up this extrordinary claim?
++”I've been studying nutrition for over 15 years, most of todays diabetics got that way through “gluttony” of one sort or another. Scripture warns us against gluttony. Also there are many “safer” alternatives to overcome diadetes than perscription drugs, which “always” have negative side effects.
If you’re insulin-dependant and stop taking it you will get very sick. Are you arguing with this fact?
++”Natural alternatives live Co-enzyme 10, are more effective and have no side effects than their evil alternative, antibotics. CoQ10 also strengthens the heart, and destroys cancer tumors.
The “evil alternative” of antibiotics has slashed previously commonplace deaths from infections. CoQ10 does not kill bacteria, it is a treatment for CoQ10 deficiency!
++” Scripture also warns against the drug sourcerers. Not only the illegal drug dealers, but the rug dealers under the guise of the USFDA.
Your scripture was written before the advent of modern medicine. It was good advice back then!
++”Today 1 in every 165 “children” have autism. Autism is linked to mercury poisioning, and ingredient in vaccines, used as a preservative.
Are you claiming that mercury causes autism? Evidence, please!
++”Doctors make us sick. Before you go shopping for an over the counter pain relief try “rest.” Before you buy a cold remedy. try a cup of hot tea mixed with 1tsp. natural honey and the juice of 1/2 an orange squeezed in.
Any honest doctor will tell you that there is no cure for the common cold (for evolutionary reasons). I am sorry for you that you do not seem to trust your doctor.
++”Sin leads to death, it is obvious to a believer, that life without our Creator leads not only to emotional illness, but physical illnesses as well. That is not to say that sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and are also suseptable to illness and injury.
So you are saying all atheists are emotionally and possibly physically unhealthy? That is far from my experience, actually more the reverse, especially in the case of Catholicism.
++”94 has been amazingly patient with you. The things you say to him against our Creator are also against us. His words of patients, and care for even you an unbeliever, show just how powerful the Spirit of Elohim can be if we let Him guide our lives.
This man is promising to bore people with his mythology inside a church instead of in public, and that is to be commended. That he is interested in faith healing is a real worry. Such people are not deserving of commendation.
I’m not medically trained, but your post is a smear on science and the medical profession.
Stuart
Hi Stu:
You say:
Quote I hope you never tell an insulin-dependent diabetic to give up insulin. They will get very sick within days. This is the side of televangelism you never see – the apparent miracles are all stage illusion. And you say:
Quote I certainly understand your decision regarding your own medication, but I think the fact that you have not been healed by faith (and, by all we know, will not be) should tell you something. I will advise whoever will listen to exercise faith in God's Word for a healing by sharing with them the scripture that I shared with you, but no, I will never advise someone not to take their medication or to stop a treatment like chemotherapy. That is a personal decision.
I cringe every time a medication is advertised on T.V. when start telling of the side effects that may occur in their particular medications. My situation with the enlarged prostrate is not intolerable, but I still believe that I will be healed even if my healing has been delayed. I know that there has to be a reason. God's Word is true, and I will continue to but my trust in what God has said.
Then you say:
Quote Most men end up with an enlarged prostate, and if we all lived to 85 we would just about all have very slowly developing prostate cancer as well. Have you considered how incompetent your designer friend god is, having put the urinary tract straight through an organ so prone to enlargement? Constructive criticism is wonderful when you yourself can provide a better solution. I believe that the human body as it was designed by my God is a work of art. As I understand it, the medical profession does not know what causes the prostate to enlarge as it does. More than likely it is because we have not taken care of our body or we have abused it in some way. I do not fault my creator nor am I going to critisize Him.
I'll share the following scripture:
Quote Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him
Reading what you also said to Laurel about my ambitions to practice Faith Healing, I await an anointing that was promised to me. Without that anointing, there will not be any Faith Healing done by me. I cannot heal anyone, but I do know that God is able to heal and even raise the dead through me if He so desires.
And Laurel commends me for being patient with you. The following scripture is what I should be exempifying:
Quote 1 Co. 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth F47 not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; F48 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. My desire and that of my God, my Lord and saviour Jeusus Christ is that all men would come to Him with a repentant heart and be saved from the consequence of sin.
God Bless
I have to say something here. If there would not have been good Doctors in America, I would have died when I was 8 years old. If there would not be Doctors I would long be dead. I would not have seen our Grandchildren grow up. It is because of modern Medication that I am still breathing. Tried all those Holistic Med. with no results. Til finally the Holistic Doctor admitted that He could not help me any more. So lets respect the Medical Profession.
Peace and Love Mrs.:(
Hi all:
Yes , the medical profession is great because God made them who they are. I too went through some great trials and I'm still alive and seeing my grandchildren grow. Many doctors are looking for the reason for unexplainable cures. They find that a miracle took place and will be the first to tell you. We should praise God for giving mankind the wisdom to heal. ……………………………thehappymanStu:Can you please cite the research that backs up this extrordinary claim?
Why would you believe a study one in the past yrear or two? You do not believe Scripture which has been around over 1500 years.
Stu:If you’re insulin-dependant and stop taking it you will get very sick. Are you arguing with this fact?
No, once they have you on their retirement plan, you better not quit or there are deadly consequences. Bend over and say goodbye to life as it was when you were healthy, you'll never get it back on their retirement plan. They need you.
Stu:The “evil alternative” of antibiotics has slashed previously commonplace deaths from infections. CoQ10 does not kill bacteria, it is a treatment for CoQ10 deficiency!
The only treatment for CoQ10 deficiency is Co Q10 replacement. Bacteria are so strong because of antibiotics, they have to keep coming up with new strains all the time. Antiobiotics can cause death because antibiotics kill the “life giving” good bacteria that lives in the intestine. Co Q10 has never killed a single person. No side efffects! Naturally found in everything that respritates.
Stu:Any honest doctor will tell you that there is no cure for the common cold (for evolutionary reasons). I am sorry for you that you do not seem to trust your doctor.
Doctor's do not cure anything. They cover symptoms. Yes there is a cure for a cold, it's called a healthy immune system. I haven't been sick in over 3 years.
Stu:So you are saying all atheists are emotionally and possibly physically unhealthy? That is far from my experience, actually more the reverse, especially in the case of Catholicism.
No. I am not a fan of Catholisim and I have no comment on it.
Stu:This man is promising to bore people with his mythology inside a church instead of in public, and that is to be commended. That he is interested in faith healing is a real worry. Such people are not deserving of commendation.
The way I see it, someone out there care more for you than you do for yourself. I guess you enjoy the boredom.
Laurel
Hi Laurel
Stu:If you’re insulin-dependant and stop taking it you will get very sick. Are you arguing with this fact?
++”No, once they have you on their retirement plan, you better not quit or there are deadly consequences. Bend over and say goodbye to life as it was when you were healthy, you'll never get it back on their retirement plan. They need you.
An increasingly common form of diabetes is autoimmune diabetes of adulthood, in which the immune system is stimulated perhaps by a virus to attack the islet cells of the pancreas, very quickly killing the part of that organ that makes insulin. Such cases require treatment with insulin from an artificial source for the rest of the patient’s life. I don’t think you can claim there is a big medical conspiracy to cause this illness in people.
++”Bacteria are so strong because of antibiotics, they have to keep coming up with new strains all the time.
I’m very glad to see you are an advocate of evolution by natural selection!
++”Antiobiotics can cause death because antibiotics kill the “life giving” good bacteria that lives in the intestine.
That’s why you eat lots of yogurt when taking antibiotics.
++”Doctor's do not cure anything. They cover symptoms. Yes there is a cure for a cold, it's called a healthy immune system. I haven't been sick in over 3 years.
If you have taken good care of yourself and have good health as a result then that is brilliant. When I had a dental infection earlier this year, the antibiotics prescribed by a doctor cured a dangerously worsening and seriously painful condition, within a day and a half. As you say above, there are many strains of bacteria, and the doctor had to select the correct antibiotic from those marketed by those (nasty!) drug companies. I am a big fan of both! They are the modern miracle workers, and their miracles actually work.
Stuart
Hi 942767
++”I will advise whoever will listen to exercise faith in God's Word for a healing by sharing with them the scripture that I shared with you, but no, I will never advise someone not to take their medication or to stop a treatment like chemotherapy. That is a personal decision.
Would you actively advise them to follow the recommendations of their doctors? What advertising would you do as part of using faith to heal – would you give the same warnings that drug companies must give? Would you be honest and tell people up from that no scientific research to date has found any benefit in using faith to heal that is better than a placebo?
++”I cringe every time a medication is advertised on T.V. when start telling of the side effects that may occur in their particular medications. My situation with the enlarged prostrate is not intolerable, but I still believe that I will be healed even if my healing has been delayed. I know that there has to be a reason. God's Word is true, and I will continue to but my trust in what God has said.
I agree, there is a lot of cringeworthy advertising on TV, and the pharmaceutical companies do make some shockers.
The pioneer discoverers/inventors of the drugs that save us are still modern-day heroes though, and their products would never make it to us without the marketing, unfortunately.++”Constructive criticism is wonderful when you yourself can provide a better solution. I believe that the human body as it was designed by my God is a work of art. As I understand it, the medical profession does not know what causes the prostate to enlarge as it does. More than likely it is because we have not taken care of our body or we have abused it in some way. I do not fault my creator nor am I going to critisize Him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate_Enlargement#Prostate_disorders has more than you need to know about prostate conditions. You should not criticise yourself for what you have – it is very common and almost certainly caused by factors outside your control. You SHOULD criticise the incompetent idiot who designed it, though.
It’s not just our poor male plumbing that is bad engineering.You probably have an appendix – a time bomb just waiting to get infected and imperil your life. There are people born without appendices who function with no deficiencies at all. Has your creator put you at such great potential risk for a reason? Even a first-year engineering student could come up with a better design for the lower back.
You have a nerve that starts in your skull, travels down into your chest, then back up into your skull before meeting the tissues that it enervates. What an utter waste of nerve tissue! You have a tailbone, and there are children born with tails. What purpose do those serve? You have a gene that codes for an enzyme that makes Vitamin C. It doesn’t work – we have to get Vitamin C from fruit, or suffer scurvy. What creator would give us stuff that would be very useful, but doesn’t work?Of course it is not poor design at all; just that our bodies are full of redundant stuff and mutations arising from our long and astonishing evolutionary history.
++”Reading what you also said to Laurel about my ambitions to practice Faith Healing, I await an anointing that was promised to me. Without that anointing, there will not be any Faith Healing done by me. I cannot heal anyone, but I do know that God is able to heal and even raise the dead through me if He so desires.
As you have read, I would prefer you left the healing to medicos. They really do know (most of them, anyway) what they are doing. Moreover, I think as a True Believer you could be in a position to do the good work of convincing other faith healers to give up their parasitic stage routines and concentrate on just preaching the mythology.
Stuart
Warning! The Old Testament verses quoted below describe the mass murder of children and may not be suitable for those of a nervous disposition.
Lev. 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Deu. 20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.So saith the loving and forgiving deity.
What age rating should censors give the OT?Stuart
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