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This was PM to me. It has NO NAME so I don't consider it a “personnal message”.
I would like to know who PM me?
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Quote (,Sep. 24 2007 @ 12:19) You have been warned by a staff member. Your warning level has been increased, and this will be viewable to all members. Once you have reached the maximum warning level, your posting permissions will be revoked.
You have been warned from the following post: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….ry76390Ken, I ask you to not harrass or judge people with regards to dates and other things like that.
I have had some complaints about you judging or attacking others.
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.I have raised the warning level to 1. If it reaches 5, you will not be able to post.
I did.
It is my duty as a moderator. I thought about this for a while before doing it.
Most people are of the mind that you have some good things to contribute, but your style of putting this forward includes insulting, judging, or attacking others.
Although you haven't attacked or judged me personally, (that I can remember) as a moderator it is my job to make sure that people keep within the guidelines explained in the rules.
If you feel this was not warranted, then you are free to express your opinion here.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 26 2007,13:09) I did. It is my duty as a moderator. I thought about this for a while before doing it.
Most people are of the mind that you have some good things to contribute, but your style of putting this forward includes insulting, judging, or attacking others.
Although you haven't attacked or judged me personally, (that I can remember) as a moderator it is my job to make sure that people keep within the guidelines explained in the rules.
If you feel this was not warranted, then you are free to express your opinion here.
No t8 I don't agree with you. Everything I have said to my knowledge including the judgments of the scripture IS scriptural. If Not then I apologize!Harsh, I see no difference between the Sabbath thread and the Trinity thread.
I do NOT find it “amazing” that an Atheist can spread his garbage but I am condemned for teaching we should keep the commandments of God. Satan won't attack an atheist, will he?
I believe I have a right to defend the commandments of my Father and I'm sorry you don't think I do. You know I will continue to defend the Commandments “no matter what”
I just want to thank you for giving me an opportunity to witness to all of you.
As always May HIS Will Be done,
Ken
But Ken, it is written in Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.How can you say that you are not doing this?
It is easy to slip into the law, but I just ask that you show some grace.
Yes atheists come here and do much worse, but then we shouldn't expect much or even ethical conduct from such, but as a brother we do.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.Hebrews 12:6
because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”As a son, we are disciplined and as sons we should watch our conduct toward others. I agree that you can rebuke those who teach falsely, but we shouldn't judge our brothers and sisters over sabbaths, food, musical tastes, etc. These things are personal and are a matter of conscience between each person and God.
As always you are free to express your opinions and back them up with scripture, but we are not free to judge people or harass people over such things.
We should also be courteous and not try and weaken a persons faith. After all, I could make the argument that we can and should eat meat. It wouldn't be a problem supplying scriptures to prove that point, but then what profit is there if I offend a vegetarian of whom Christ died for?
Quote But Ken, it is written in Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.Keep verse 16 with the other verses and you will find that the Sabbath in verse 16 are annual SabbathS that go along with food, drink, moons etc.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross.
Col 2:15 And despoiling the principalities and powers, he hath exposed them confidently in open shew, triumphing over them in himself.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of a festival day or of the new moon or of the sabbaths,If Paul is speaking of the Seventh day weekly Sabbath then why does He say there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Sabbath in Christianity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWhile a clear mandate is given for the Sabbath in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, the closest passage to a command for Sabbath-keeping in the New Testament is found in Hebrews 4:9, which describes the Sabbath not as a day, but instead as a state of being, the context and grammar of the passage indicate otherwise. In that passage is found the word “sabbatismos.” The Authorized Version (King James Version of 1611) and New King James Version and several others render that word as “rest.” The American Standard Version of 1901, New American Standard Bible 1995 Updated Edition and several other translations somewhat more correctly render that word as “Sabbath rest.” A few, such as the Darby translation, transliterate the word as “Sabbatism.” However, its literal translation is “Sabbath observance,” and The Scriptures, translated by The Institute For Scripture Research, render it as such, while The Bible in Basic English gives the equally literal “Sabbath keeping.” In regard to taking Sabbatismos literally, Professor Andrew T. Lincoln, on page 213 in his symposium From Sabbath to Lord's Day, states “The use of sabbatismos elsewhere in extant Greek literature gives an indication of its more exact shade of meaning. It is used in Plutarch, De Superstitione 3 (Moralia166A) of Sabbath observance. There are also four occurrences in post canonical literature that are independent of Hebrews 4:9. They are Justin, Dialogue with Trypho 23:3; Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses 30:2:2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitutions 2:36:2. In each of these places the term denotes the observance or celebration of the Sabbath. This usage corresponds to the Septuagint usage of the cognate verb sabbatizo (cf. Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32; 26:34; 2 Chron. 36:21
Thus the writer to the Hebrews is saying that since the time of Joshua an observance of the Sabbath rest has been outstanding.” The literal translation then of Hebrews 4:9 is “Therefore a Sabbath observance has been left behind for the people of God.” Further, the internal evidence of the preceding verses would indicate that the Sabbath observance mentioned in this verse is indeed the seventh day Sabbath and not the Lord's Day Sabbath. In verse 8, the Hebrew writer states, “For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have afterward spoken of another day.” On first glance in our English translations, that word “another” would give the appearance of a different day. However, in the Greek, there are two words that mean “another”. “Heteros” means “another of a different kind”, while “allos” means “another of the same kind”. The word used in Hebrews 4:8 is “allos”, indicating a Sabbath day of the same kind as referred to in Hebrews 4:8-5, that is, the seventh-day Sabbath. In verse 7, the Hebrews writer uses the term “certain day”. The Greek word for “certain” is “tis”. It is clearly referencing a specific day, and not the general thought of an eternal rest. The force of Hebrews 3:11-4:11 then seems to be saying that because Christians look toward the eternal rest of heaven, the type or shadow of the earthly Sabbath rest still remains, or is “left behind”, literally, for Christians to observe.
God bless,
Ken
The point Ken is not whether there are 2 Sabbaths or whether we are to keep it or not. It is about judging other brothers or sisters with regards to it.
We shouldn't judge or harass others who don't agree or who rest at a different time to you. It ultimately only creates unnecessary division.
By all means you can teach what you know and show it from scripture, it's the judging and harassment that is the problem.
I am sure that you can teach without having to do that.
Ken Because the People of God who are the Jewish people never entered that rest ,because Moses disobeyed God and therefore they were not allowed to enter there rest, Or go into the promised Land. Hebrew is a Covenant that is still to come for the people of God ,the Jewish People. They will be grafted back in . Romans talks about that. If you would do a study on the Covenants you would maybe understand all, but you refuse to do that. If you look at those Covenants all have their commands attached.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Knock it off ken!! your beginning to sound like a like a continuous woman, a dripping tap, willfully determent for own way, starting threads over ever little upset emotion you feel, I think t8 has been very patient, God bless you t8 and Kejonn, blessing Mrs truth.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2007,10:07) Yes atheists come here and do much worse, but then we shouldn't expect much or even ethical conduct from such, but as a brother we do. Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Notwithstanding this CHARMING biblical insult, I think you should expect the highest ethical standards from atheists who post here.Stuart
He he.
Good one Stu.
Many atheists or people who care naught about God come here to spam. Some other atheists just look for someone's faith to beat up on so they can feel good about themselves and it also makes them feel intelligent. I guess we don't get many eithical atheists here, although I am not saying that it is not possible.
But yes you have remained in the rules and that is certainly to your credit.
But as an atheist, I wonder how you classify ethics because right and wrong are usually dictated by the conscience and conscience means “with knowledge” i.e., con=with + science=knowledge.
It is assumed that ethics and conscience are concepts that are associated with God or at least a god. But surely if there is no God, then right or wrong is only society deep in order to keep it working.
If you do not believe in God, and ethics are the result of evolution, then you have to admit that they don't always prove to be a survival instinct. In fact to lay your life down or die for others for example means that you do not get to reproduce your DNA and hence could be seen as a bad thing in a carnal survival of the fittest world.
Adolph Hitler was an evolutionist for example. And he justified killing of so-called lesser races in favour of the Aryan race. He certainly didn't go down in history as an ethical man, yet he played out the philosophy of survival of the fittest to the letter.
The ironic part was he lost.
But it is somewhat baffling that one can be ethical and at the same time say that God doesn't exist. If there is no God, judgement, and ultimately no right and wrong, then how can there be ethics?
If you wish to talk about it, I will start up a discussion for it.
Let me know if you are interested.
Quote But Ken, it is written in Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.Gees
All I did was answer your post 
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2007,16:40) The point Ken is not whether there are 2 Sabbaths or whether we are to keep it or not. It is about judging other brothers or sisters with regards to it. We shouldn't judge or harass others who don't agree or who rest at a different time to you. It ultimately only creates unnecessary division.
By all means you can teach what you know and show it from scripture, it's the judging and harassment that is the problem.
I am sure that you can teach without having to do that.
If you break the commandment it is you who that law judges. Not Ken the very law you break judges you.I'm just pointing to the commandment that you are breaking, and that's all but instead of reconizing your sin and repenting you choose to throw stones. Now that is the truth
Yes IF we sin (1 John 3:4) and we REPENT then we are forgiven.
Again even though some have acknowledged that the Sabbath is the seventh day; and that Jesus was NOT resurrected on Sunday; AND that the definition of Heb. 4:9 States that the Sabbath points to an eternal Sabbath; AND ALL the scriptures that say Keep God's Commandments.
They would rather throw stones than repent.
You are NOT finding fault with me, you are finding fault with GOD and His Commadments. You are angry with God's forth commandment.
Hey don't keep it and stop bringing the matter up AND I will stop responding, peroid. Or are the heaping coals on your head starting to get to you?
Let's just leave it But if you attack I will defend, OK?
IHN,
Ken
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 27 2007,16:55) Ken Because the People of God who are the Jewish people never entered that rest ,because Moses disobeyed God and therefore they were not allowed to enter there rest, Or go into the promised Land. Hebrew is a Covenant that is still to come for the people of God ,the Jewish People. They will be grafted back in . Romans talks about that. If you would do a study on the Covenants you would maybe understand all, but you refuse to do that. If you look at those Covenants all have their commands attached. Peace and Love Mrs.
The Father sent His Son to die and pay for our sins so we would inherit eternal life.So now that the price for our sin has been paid: 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law…..We have the right to sin again. Unless sin is NOT trangression of the law…anymore
Is not the forth commandment part of the Ten that you Keep?
The only commandment you can break and it NOT be sin is the forth commandment?
This is the New Covenant?
The new covenant is that we have forgiveness of our sins NOT a right to sin.
Mrs are you saying you will not keep God's forth commandment?
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2007,23:37) Hi t8 But as an atheist, I wonder how you classify ethics because right and wrong are usually dictated by the conscience and conscience means “with knowledge” i.e., con=with + science=knowledge.
It is assumed that ethics and conscience are concepts that are associated with God or at least a god. But surely if there is no God, then right or wrong is only society deep in order to keep it working.
If you do not believe in God, and ethics are the result of evolution, then you have to admit that they don't always prove to be a survival instinct. In fact to lay your life down or die for others for example means that you do not get to reproduce your DNA and hence could be seen as a bad thing in a carnal survival of the fittest world.
But it is somewhat baffling that one can be ethical and at the same time say that God doesn't exist. If there is no God, judgement, and ultimately no right and wrong, then how can there be ethics?
If you wish to talk about it, I will start up a discussion for it.
Let me know if you are interested.
Yes, if you want to kick it off, your questions do have interesting answers, I think.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2007,10:07) But Ken, it is written in Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.How can you say that you are not doing this?
It is easy to slip into the law, but I just ask that you show some grace.
Yes atheists come here and do much worse, but then we shouldn't expect much or even ethical conduct from such, but as a brother we do.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.Hebrews 12:6
because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”As a son, we are disciplined and as sons we should watch our conduct toward others. I agree that you can rebuke those who teach falsely, but we shouldn't judge our brothers and sisters over sabbaths, food, musical tastes, etc. These things are personal and are a matter of conscience between each person and God.
As always you are free to express your opinions and back them up with scripture, but we are not free to judge people or harass people over such things.
We should also be courteous and not try and weaken a persons faith. After all, I could make the argument that we can and should eat meat. It wouldn't be a problem supplying scriptures to prove that point, but then what profit is there if I offend a vegetarian of whom Christ died for?
In “light” of the Scripture T8 posted, let no man judge you…
That was written to those who kept the Sabbath and followed the Cteator's calendar. It was not written to athiests, sun-god worshippers who kept another day.This verse speaks as a warning to the “faithful” that there will be those who scoff at us for keeping the Sabbaths and the New Moon as the first day of the real calendar. We who will not eat foods offered to idols, we who do not eat animal blood, we who do eat the Passover bread and wine which represent the body and blood of Messiah.
I will not be mocked for keeping His “appointed” Sabbaths and Feasts.
Laurel
IF a Mans beast be caught in ditch, while he struggle alone to save it’s life, redemption unto salvation, even on the Sabbath day , my friend love your neighbour, go to him, with help, tell him he must wait this suffering time is not long, for we must suffer unjust treatments, and its dirty rags, as the dirt is shovelled on to our heads and on our oxen’s, back, tell him this, my Neighbour, the more that is shovelled from those dwelling vainly above, praise God with all your heart, shake the dirt from offer your beasts back, and purify your mind, grace is enough, tell him my friend and neighbour, the layers of dirt become as steps, unto level ground there is no Limits to Gods mercy,love and power
charity
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