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Hi,
The Spirit is given to those in the body of Christ to serve the Head of that body
and in so doing please his God.Quote (Ed J @ May 16 2012,01:51) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,05:58) Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2012,22:18) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,19:20) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,08:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Jesus is Lord and not the servant. The immersion is done is done in his name and not in the name of his student.
Why do you get in the way of those who in faith seek to be immersed in water by the power of God?
Have you not read the account of the Ethiopian Enoch who asked Phillip why he hindered him to be immersed in water? Haven't you also heard Peter ask if anyone could forbid the Gentiles approved of God from being immersed in water.
Shouldn't you instead do as Phillip, Peter, and those that heard Peter did?
Hi Kerwin,I Have gotten in no ones way,
and I have told no one not to; OK.
Try and keep your facts straight; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.;If you teach that immersion in water is not a principle of the gospel then you do get in the way.
Hi Kerwin,I teach no such thing.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.Then I misunderstood your points. Thank you for clearing that up.
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,13:01) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,21:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.
T;I have read that Scripture and considered it in my previous post. Do you see something you believed I missed?
Kjust read the comment you send me then what I reply and think what you say is wrong in it
?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,15:07) Hi,
Thepromise of the Spirit[acts 2.39] is to those who have obeyed acts 2.38
nAc 10:28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.
Ac 10:29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
Ac 10:30 Cornelius answered: “Four days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me
Ac 10:31 and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor.
Ac 10:32 Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’
Ac 10:33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
Ac 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Ac 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
Ac 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
Ac 10:37 You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Ac 10:39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,
Ac 10:40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.
Ac 10:41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
Ac 10:42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Ac 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
Ac 10:45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
Ac 10:46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said,
Ac 10:47 “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
Ac 10:48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.now read this very carefully and you may learn something if not ;well I try to make you see it
Quote (terraricca @ May 16 2012,04:04) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,13:01) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,21:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.
T;I have read that Scripture and considered it in my previous post. Do you see something you believed I missed?
Kjust read the comment you send me then what I reply and think what you say is wrong in it
?
T;How do you consider my words are wrong?
Hi T,
Yes God decided to give the Spirit first as a sign that they were His
and Peter water baptised them out of obedience to the Spirit of Christ.Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,20:00) Quote (terraricca @ May 16 2012,04:04) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,13:01) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,21:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.
T;I have read that Scripture and considered it in my previous post. Do you see something you believed I missed?
Kjust read the comment you send me then what I reply and think what you say is wrong in it
?
T;How do you consider my words are wrong?
Kread it ;if you can not see it ,it is that there is some vail of a sort
but Cornelius was well instructed
Hi T,
If you were unsure of the importance of water baptism you should ask youself
why
Peter water baptised them even though the Spirit had been givenQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,21:11) Hi T,
If you were unsure of the importance of water baptism you should ask youself
why
Peter water baptised them even though the Spirit had been given
NSo according to you now with your logic ,water baptism is more importante than the receiving of the holy spirit
Quote (terraricca @ May 16 2012,08:42) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,20:00) Quote (terraricca @ May 16 2012,04:04) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,13:01) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,21:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.
T;I have read that Scripture and considered it in my previous post. Do you see something you believed I missed?
Kjust read the comment you send me then what I reply and think what you say is wrong in it
?
T;How do you consider my words are wrong?
Kread it ;if you can not see it ,it is that there is some vail of a sort
but Cornelius was well instructed
T;I must conclude since you choose to remain silent that you see nothing wrong with what I stated but never the less you cannot except it.
Quote (terraricca @ May 16 2012,13:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,21:11) Hi T,
If you were unsure of the importance of water baptism you should ask youself
why
Peter water baptised them even though the Spirit had been given
NSo according to you now with your logic ,water baptism is more importante than the receiving of the holy spirit
T;I do not know about Nick; but I can confidently assure you that putting the old man to death and giving life to the new is more important than any lesser gift of the Spirit.
That is what faith combined with immersion in water under the authority of King Jesus accomplishes.
Hi t,
If God changes the order once in Acts does that show you relative importance?
It certainly does not mean water baptism is no longer required.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,03:52) Hi t,
If God changes the order once in Acts does that show you relative importance?
It certainly does not mean water baptism is no longer required.
N and K1PE 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
1PE 3:19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
1PE 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
1PE 3:21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you— not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1PE 3:22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to HimQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,15:52) Hi t,
If God changes the order once in Acts does that show you relative importance?
It certainly does not mean water baptism is no longer required.
Nick,Are tongues and prophecy gifts of the Spirit?
Can you have those gifts without having Yahweh's law written on your heart and put in your inwards being?
According to Scripture the answer to both questions is yes. Do you know what passages I speak of?
What does Scripture teach us the purpose of tongues is?
Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2012,11:39) T; Why did Peter write “not the removal of dirt from the flesh”?
kbecause it is not an outside ritual but an inside change that has to take place;
but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
HIS A APPEAL EQUAL TO A WATER BAPTISM
??Hi KW,
Yes the gifts are given as an downpayment of the Spirit.[eph 1.14]Yes the inner changing of men by the Spirit is a slow process usually according to how much they resist the Spirit. Dogmas cause stumbling and sometimes stillbirth.
The gift of tongues is to edify the saved beyond their understanding [jude20]and to pray for needs they are unaware of.[Rom8] It is also used in gatherings where there are some to decipher it.[1cor12]
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