Who received the holy spirit

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Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,08:31)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi , It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary. Hi Nick, Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J.,

Jesus is Lord and not the servant.  The immersion is done is done in his name and not in the name of his student.  

Why do you get in the way of those who in faith seek to be immersed in water by the power of God?

Have you not read the account of the Ethiopian Enoch who asked Phillip why he hindered him to be immersed in water? Haven't you also heard Peter ask if anyone could forbid the Gentiles approved of God from being immersed in water.

Shouldn't you instead do as Phillip, Peter, and those that heard Peter did?

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Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,12:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,17:05) Hi ED, Man has never before been born of water. If he had scripture would say so. Did it? Hi Nick, In case you didn't know, water baptism symbolizes death. The flesh (ego) can be starved to death. (see Gal.5:24) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J.;

Those are hearsay that the devil has inserted into the church to destroy the faith of some.

Anyone who sins is bound to sin.  Jesus came to dissolve those bindings and form new ones to righteousness.  You must believe that the old bindings have been dissolved and new bindings formed.  It is the old man that is bound to sin and the new man is bound to righteousness.

These things are necessary to believe in order to be truly set free from sin.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Quite so.
As the one we follow died and was buried so we do in water baptism.[rom6]
Would you say we do not need to follow him?
He said “follow me”

Whom should we believe?
He has the words of eternal life[Jn6.68]
But your words have far less to offer it seems.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
You say
“The flesh (ego) can be starved to death. (see Gal.5:24)”

Gal 5.24
“Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with it's passions and desires”

BELONGING TO CHRIST JESUS only applies to those who have entered through the DOOR.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Jesus also said to Nicodemus.

“Are you the TEACHER of Israel and do not understand these things?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,00:05)

Hi ED, Man has never before been born of water. If he had scripture would say so. Did it?

did all creation was not water Baptiste in the flood ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No.
The fathers of the Jewish people were.[1Cor 10]

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
You say
“We believe that the holy bible is the written word of God, and although we have not met our Lord, we have faith that the testament left for us is true, and that Christ is the Son of God, sent not only to them, but also to us to give life if we want it. Through the scriptures we get to know our God, and Lord Jesus Christ on a personal level, and this seeking, and feeding on every word that God has given us with a pure heart and hunger to understand what he is telling us, is what it will take to be baptised with the holy spirit, the spirit of truth.”

The problem is no men have pure hearts.
What is written is to bring us to repentance.
Unless you repent you will all likewise perish[lk13.3]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,23:13)

Hi Ed, Anyone who has yet to obey the command to be reborn of water and the Spirit and teaches it can be an obstacle to those who are ready to enter.

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follow the flesh I will follow the spirit ,

stay with John the baptist ,I will go with Christ

and do not forget that the word baptists = emerged ,but scriptures are saying to be emerged but on the inside with the knowledge of God and his son ,in the heart,and so do Gods work,

bring people to Christ and his father NOT TO RELIGION AND THEIR CEREMONIAL ACTS

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,14:40)

Hi J42, You say “We believe that the holy bible is the written word of God, and although we have not met our Lord, we have faith that the testament left for us is true, and that Christ is the Son of God, sent not only to them, but also to us to give life if we want it.  Through the scriptures we get to know our God, and Lord Jesus Christ on a personal level, and this seeking, and feeding on every word that God has given us with a pure heart and hunger to understand what he is telling us, is what it will take to be baptised with the holy spirit, the spirit of truth.”   The problem is no men have pure hearts. What is written is to bring us to repentance. Unless you repent you will all likewise perish[lk13.3]

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The problem is no men have pure hearts. What is written is to bring us to repentance. Unless you repent you will all likewise perish[lk13.3]

WHAT DO YOU THINK REPENTANCE MEAN

you read the scriptures ,but your mind and eyes are not seeing what is written ,and you interpret the words as you see fit ,with your views in your heart you can not go to God in a pure heart because it is full of your own views and interpretation ,Not Gods

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So you say.
And you boasted of your pure heart?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,11:52)

Hi T, No. The fathers of the Jewish people were.[1Cor 10]

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EZE 14:14 even though these three men, Noah, Daniel and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves,” declares the Lord GOD.
EZE 14:20 even though Noah, Daniel and Job were in its midst, as I live,” declares the Lord GOD, “they could not deliver either their son or their daughter. They would deliver only themselves by their righteousness.”
MT 24:37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
MT 24:38 “For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
LK 3:36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
LK 17:26 “ And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
LK 17:27 they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
HEB 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
1PE 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

it seems a rerun of the old ,but righteousness is obtained not by water dip,but by water take in new water ,pure water from God ,water that brings live that produces fruits that gives live to those that drink it and eat it ,

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
See how few were found righteous in those generations?
The view of God and men differs as to their righteousness.

Thos that are THIRSTY come to Jesus and enter the kingdom by the door.
Those that try to enter by other ways are thieves and robbers.[jn10]
Then from their bellies can flow that living water- for others.[jn7]

[terraricca]

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1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
There will always be a division between those in Christ and those of the world.
Paul was specially equipped to be a preacher and teacher.
And any neophyte can baptise

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:25)

Hi T, There will always be a division between those in Christ and those of the world. Paul was specially equipped to be a preacher and teacher. And any neophyte can baptise

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any scripture

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Yes
1.1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2.2 Timothy 1:11
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:19)

Hi t, See how few were found righteous in those generations? The view of God and men differs as to their righteousness. Thos that are THIRSTY come to Jesus and enter the kingdom by the door. Those that try to enter by other ways are thieves and robbers.[jn10] Then from their bellies can flow that living water- for others.[jn7]

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you still do not get it ;

many that says that they believe will not enter the kingdom ,

and yet have done many works ,and produced fruits ;

you still did not find the door ,because you do not believe all of Gods words as it is written

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:34)

Hi T, Yes 1.1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 2.2 Timothy 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

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this I knew

I was talking more about ; any neophyte can baptise

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Are you thinking it was only for the generation of the apostles and done by them?
So you think another gospel arose that superceded those teachings?
All new gospels are more popular than the only one of God

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