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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,07:27) Hi Ed,
No he did not.
Your point is?
Hi Nick,Then how does Jesus baptize us?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Jesus baptises in the Holy Spirit.
That blessing is reserved for those who repent and are baptised in his name.[acts 2.38]Many will try to enter the kingdom by other ways but he calls them thieves and robbers.[Jn10]
Evene doing miracles in his name does not cut the mustard.[mt 7.22]
Hi Nick,
There are your two baptisms:
John baptized in water.
Jesus baptizes with God's holySpirit.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi,
The reason men are given the Spirit is to enable them to be saved and be useful to God and the body.Hi Ed,
The head of the Body, Jesus Christ, is in heaven directing the function of all the appointed parts of his body on earth.Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2012,15:28) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,19:31) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 16 2011,14:06) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,09:25) Hi Pierre: You say:
Quote born again ,believers say that they receive the holy spirit after there baptism ,I have ask many how do they know and what is it ,?none could answer me. When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost.
But this is what the scriptures state:
Quote Romans 8:8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Quote 1 John 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Quote 1 John 2:3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Quote John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Quote 1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. so the new baptized believe in there own mind what others have told them?
I totally agree with your statement to what it means to be born again ,and it is impossible to be born again without knowledge of the one in witch they have faith.
Pierre
Hi TFaith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they
have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyRo 10:7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Ro 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
Ro 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ro 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Ro 10:11 As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
Ro 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Ro 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Ro 10:14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
Ro 10:15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Ro 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”
Ro 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
Ro 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”it is not baptism but the responding action to the words of God and his son that we are saved and so receive there spirit of truth,
if you believe that baptism is compulsory for a Christian then we are also have to be circumcised in the flesh ,
BUT IT IS NOT THE DIP IN WATER THAT SAVES ,NEITHER DID MAKE CIRCUMCISION, THE JEWS TRUE WORSHIPERS,
UNLESS YOU LET GODS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND ACT ACCORDINGLY AND BELIEVE IN IT WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH,
YOU,HAVE NO FAITH, AT THE LEAST NOT AN STRONG ONE
Hi T:We are saved by faith, and not by water baptism, but water baptism is an action showing that we have believed and have come to God with a repentant heart.
Water baptism is symbolic of a person's union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection, but if a person has not believed with a repentant heart and is baptised, he goes into the baptismal a dry sinner and comes up a wet sinner, there has been no change.
I do believe that if we are believers, we should be baptised in water, but you don't have do do anything you do not want to do, Pierre. Whatever we do as Christians must be done freely because we love God and want to obey Him.
Here is what the Apostle Peter stated to the first gentile converts, Cornelius and those who came with him to see Peter:
Quote Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote Hi T: We are saved by faith, and not by water baptism, but water baptism is an action showing that we have believed and have come to God with a repentant heart.
Water baptism is symbolic of a person's union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection, but if a person has not believed with a repentant heart and is baptised, he goes into the baptismal a dry sinner and comes up a wet sinner, there has been no change.
I do believe that if we are believers, we should be baptised in water, but you don't have do do anything you do not want to do, Pierre. Whatever we do as Christians must be done freely because we love God and want to obey Him.
Here is what the Apostle Peter stated to the first gentile converts, Cornelius and those who came with him to see Peter:
read you loud and clear;
but the water baptism is your interpretation ,and from Jesus baptism by the spirit of truth,become less important ,this is wrong ,
water baptism is a men ritual,and as created division more than unity,even in Paul's time ,all is between you and your God ,
you say that it should be done ,but you can not answer witch of the denomination we have to go to right
?this is were all division start.on the other hand the true circumcision in the heart and baptism in the words of God will not divide you between true believer only the sectarian ones ,it also will not alienates you from your own God and faith.
T;
Quote but the water baptism is your interpretation ,and from Jesus baptism by the spirit of truth,become less important ,this is wrong , Acts 8:36
King James Version (KJV)36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Should we hinder believers to be immersed in water?
Acts 10:47
King James Version (KJV)47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Can we forbid water baptism to believers?
That is two witnesses.
Hi t
You say
“but the water baptism is your interpretation ,and from Jesus baptism by the spirit of truth,become less important ,this is wrong ,”You are greater than Peter in Acts 2 or Jesus in Jn3 to take on yourself changing of the commands??
Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,10:40) Marty Quote Hi T: We are saved by faith, and not by water baptism, but water baptism is an action showing that we have believed and have come to God with a repentant heart.
Water baptism is symbolic of a person's union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection, but if a person has not believed with a repentant heart and is baptised, he goes into the baptismal a dry sinner and comes up a wet sinner, there has been no change.
I do believe that if we are believers, we should be baptised in water, but you don't have do do anything you do not want to do, Pierre. Whatever we do as Christians must be done freely because we love God and want to obey Him.
Here is what the Apostle Peter stated to the first gentile converts, Cornelius and those who came with him to see Peter:
read you loud and clear;
but the water baptism is your interpretation ,and from Jesus baptism by the spirit of truth,become less important ,this is wrong ,
water baptism is a men ritual,and as created division more than unity,even in Paul's time ,all is between you and your God ,
you say that it should be done ,but you can not answer witch of the denomination we have to go to right
?this is were all division start.on the other hand the true circumcision in the heart and baptism in the words of God will not divide you between true believer only the sectarian ones ,it also will not alienates you from your own God and faith.
Hi T:I gave you scripture showing that the Apostle Peter commanded the gentile converts who had received the Holy Ghost to be baptised in water, and he asks the question:
Quote t 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? The answer to the question is answered by him commanding Cornelius and those with him who had received the Holy Ghost to be baptised in water.
And so, how do you see this as my interpretation? I have given you the scripture.
It may be a ritual if someone has not genuinely believed, or if they have not repented.
And yes, your salvation and relationship with God and the Lord is between you and your God, and so, it does not matter about what denomination. You are baptised in water because you have believed and you have repented. It is a personal matter between you and your God.
I do acknowledge and agree with you about the division in the church, and I am praying that God will bring all Christians in to unity. Jesus prayed that we would be one:
Quote Jhn 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Water baptism is similar to circumcision in that it is an action showing that you have believed and have repented, but yes, true circuscision is of the heart. Faith without works is dead It is through your works of love that you demonstrate your faith,
Love in Christ,
MartyHi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Baptism in his name “IS” necessary, who says it isn't?
It is your 'spin' that is unnecessary. BIG DIFFERENCE!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick,
You remind me of Mike, when he's telling others they are
disagreeing with scripture when they disagree with his 'spin'.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
To allWhen John the baptist came the holy spirit was not given out then as it was only given out after Christ's death and resurrection. So baptism by water was the only way for them. No other way. The Jews had to acknowledge that their messiah had come. This is what would separate the believers from the non believers. It had to start somewhere.
So the Jews witnessed John the Baptist paving the way, then they witnessed their messiah in the flesh, performing all his miracles, and they saw with their eyes, and heard with their ears and they believed, but still could not fully understand Jesus' speech for the holy spirit was not given out yet.
That was over 2000 years ago. We do not have this opportunity now. We believe that the holy bible is the written word of God, and although we have not met our Lord, we have faith that the testament left for us is true, and that Christ is the Son of God, sent not only to them, but also to us to give life if we want it. Through the scriptures we get to know our God, and Lord Jesus Christ on a personal level, and this seeking, and feeding on every word that God has given us with a pure heart and hunger to understand what he is telling us, is what it will take to be baptised with the holy spirit, the spirit of truth. This baptism comes from Christ, not man. It is not something you demand or place your booking order through the church, but it is a gift and a promise for those who diligently seek him. It is for those who continue in the journey, who follow the lamb wherever he goes through good and bad, and continually feed on his word allowing the holy spirit, spirit of truth to grow and mature.
So is water baptism necessary? It was for them back then, but for us now there is a better way. The holy spirit comes in the name of Jesus Christ, because it is given from him and all those who have it belong to him for he knows he are his.
Hi Georgie,
Amen!
I missed you. Nice to see you back posting again!
“That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word” (Eph 5:26)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
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