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Hi ED,
Then you will explain what you have believed about angels becoming men to us all?
Unless they are just speculative opinions that a true teacher of scripture would not promote.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,08:25) Hi ED,
Then you will explain what you have believed about angels becoming men to us all?
Unless they are just speculative opinions that a true teacher of scripture would not promote.
Hi Nick,Here's the link YOU started to discuss this with me. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 16 2011,14:06) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,09:25) Hi Pierre: You say:
Quote born again ,believers say that they receive the holy spirit after there baptism ,I have ask many how do they know and what is it ,?none could answer me. When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost.
But this is what the scriptures state:
Quote Romans 8:8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Quote 1 John 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Quote 1 John 2:3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Quote John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Quote 1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. so the new baptized believe in there own mind what others have told them?
I totally agree with your statement to what it means to be born again ,and it is impossible to be born again without knowledge of the one in witch they have faith.
Pierre
Hi TFaith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,10:22) Hi Ed,
So it cannot be shown from Scripture?
Then I doubt any TEACHER worth his salt would offer it.
Hi Nick,I do not consider the topic of preexistence to be critical.
So I refuse to argue over your rudimentary assumptions.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,14:53) Hi Ed,
Critical or not we serve a Lord who expects faithfulness to his teachings.
Hi Nick,Yes, this is what I do.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Then I am sure you will want to show us all how your belief that angels become men is true to scripture.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,14:59) Hi ED,
Then I am sure you will want to show us all how your belief that angels become men is true to scripture.
Hi Nick,So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing. Defining the terms…Reincarnation: The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
comes back to earth in another body or form.Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.
I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick,
We are seeking clarity
of God's word, are we not?
Assumptions lead to confusion.Where there are disagreements,
there cannot be assumptions.
(See the free-will thread)The terms must be clearly understood!
I avoid arguing over assumptions.
See the “For Jammin” thread.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
I agree you stumble easily and cannot move on.
Does that stop you explaining to others where scripture says angels become men?Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,19:31) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 16 2011,14:06) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,09:25) Hi Pierre: You say:
Quote born again ,believers say that they receive the holy spirit after there baptism ,I have ask many how do they know and what is it ,?none could answer me. When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost.
But this is what the scriptures state:
Quote Romans 8:8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Quote 1 John 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Quote 1 John 2:3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Quote John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Quote 1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote When one is born again, God becomes the Father of our spirit. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. We know that we have received the Holy Spirit because we are at peace with God and with ourselves. Our guilt is gone because our sins have been forgiven and washed away by the blood of the Lord. And we know, because we have a changed life. We have genuine love for God and for our fellow man. Some speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. so the new baptized believe in there own mind what others have told them?
I totally agree with your statement to what it means to be born again ,and it is impossible to be born again without knowledge of the one in witch they have faith.
Pierre
Hi TFaith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyRo 10:7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Ro 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
Ro 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ro 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Ro 10:11 As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
Ro 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Ro 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Ro 10:14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
Ro 10:15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Ro 10:16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”
Ro 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
Ro 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”it is not baptism but the responding action to the words of God and his son that we are saved and so receive there spirit of truth,
if you believe that baptism is compulsory for a Christian then we are also have to be circumcised in the flesh ,
BUT IT IS NOT THE DIP IN WATER THAT SAVES ,NEITHER DID MAKE CIRCUMCISION, THE JEWS TRUE WORSHIPERS,
UNLESS YOU LET GODS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND ACT ACCORDINGLY AND BELIEVE IN IT WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH,
YOU,HAVE NO FAITH, AT THE LEAST NOT AN STRONG ONE
Hi t,z
Really?
No the law and the prophets were in force UNTIL the time of John.[Lk16.16]Indeed we still must be circumcised.
Col 2.11-12
That circumcision now IS baptism.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,10:39) Hi t,z
Really?
No the law and the prophets were in force UNTIL the time of John.[Lk16.16]Indeed we still must be circumcised.
Col 2.11-12
That circumcision now IS baptism.
Nick'Matthew 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
The correct word is “prophesied” not “in force”. “In force” will cause a conflict with other of Jesus' teachings.
Nick said to Ed:
Quote
I agree you stumble easily
Hi Nick,Agree with who?
Stumble easy?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,15:39) Hi t,z
Really?
No the law and the prophets were in force UNTIL the time of John.[Lk16.16]Indeed we still must be circumcised.
Col 2.11-12
That circumcision now IS baptism.
Hi Nick, John's baptism was water baptism, Jesus baptism was spirit baptism (of the “HolySpirit”). (see John 3:6)John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
“Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance,
saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him,
that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:3-5)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,22:39) Hi t,z
Really?
No the law and the prophets were in force UNTIL the time of John.[Lk16.16]Indeed we still must be circumcised.
Col 2.11-12
That circumcision now IS baptism.
Nyou really can not see ,still with the old law of rituals,
yes there is baptism but not in water but in the spirit ,mean return to God by accepting Christ redemption and so Gods grace ,by putting on the new personality ,the one that pleases God ,
step out of men made salvation
Hi Ed,
I note you did not address coll 2.11finstead you offer Acts 19
“Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance,
saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him,
that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:3-5)So the word BAPTISED used thrice in this scripture has TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS to you?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,06:03) Hi Ed,
I note you did not address coll 2.11finstead you offer Acts 19
“Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance,
saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him,
that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:3-5)So the word BAPTISED used thrice in this scripture has TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS to you?
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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