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Hi T,
Jesus taught of the way and lived it.
Folks refuse to enter by the door and look for some other way in.[Jn10]Quote (terraricca @ May 27 2012,22:32) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2012,09:53) T; It is not a sect you are immersed into; but the true teaching of Jesus Anointed. If you do not yet know the true teachings of Christ but believe in Jehovah; then you are only immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. Apollos and the other disciples of John are examples of this.
Kanswer my question ,and stop running away ,
if you can not answer my questions then you have no knowledge ,so what I ask Marty you also can answer ,do it
T;I did answer what I believed you meant. Here is some words that may add understanding to what I meant.
Acts 2:41
King James Version (KJV)41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
and
Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
A person receives the true Word and are immersed in the authority of Jesus; just as occurred in these two cases. Heretics add and/or subtract from the true word and so receiving their teachings does not lead to the creation of the new man on being immersed.
So let me know in what way I am not answering your question.
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2012,15:31) Quote (terraricca @ May 27 2012,22:32) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2012,09:53) T; It is not a sect you are immersed into; but the true teaching of Jesus Anointed. If you do not yet know the true teachings of Christ but believe in Jehovah; then you are only immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. Apollos and the other disciples of John are examples of this.
Kanswer my question ,and stop running away ,
if you can not answer my questions then you have no knowledge ,so what I ask Marty you also can answer ,do it
T;I did answer what I believed you meant. Here is some words that may add understanding to what I meant.
Acts 2:41
King James Version (KJV)41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
and
Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
A person receives the true Word and are immersed in the authority of Jesus; just as occurred in these two cases. Heretics add and/or subtract from the true word and so receiving their teachings does not lead to the creation of the new man on being immersed.
So let me know in what way I am not answering your question.
Kthose are my questions;;
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
tell me MARTY ,how do you baptize with the holy spirit
Mt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
were does it says that Christ made it necessary
and why would Christ teach the past until John the baptist he Christ his the the good news that brings live trough the baptism by the holy spirit
Jhn 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
and what are those commandments ?
how are believers separated by water baptism ? or by believing and practice in the knowledge of God and father of Christ ,that God has send his son into the world to save it
does God or Christ benefit from water baptism or is men the only benefactor ? and as used it to create separation within the believers
please answer them individualy
Hi T:
You ask:
Quote if Mat 28;19 was an order why so few of the disciples are found not to practice water baptism except on Jews ,for a Jew that knows his God (or should) baptism mean repentance of what he know he should have done and did not , Matthew 28;19 states:
Quote Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost He says: “ALL NATIONS”.
I do not know how you are arriving at your conclusion relative to few Jews being baptized. The Apostles in the Acts of the Apostles baptized believers in water both Jews and gentiles.
Salvation is by “faith” so that it might be by grace. It is true that the Jews were under the Law of Moses, but the scriptures state that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness to all who believe in Jesus. There is neither Jew or gentile in the Lord, but the body is of Christ.
And you ask:
Quote how are believers separated by water baptism ? or by believing and practice in the knowledge of God and father of Christ ,that God has send his son into the world to save it I have already told you that salvation is by “faith” and so no, it is not by water baptism but believing and practicing or putting into practice the Word of God. Water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented. It is a part of the Word of God that we put into practice. It an outward expression to the world showing that you are united with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus said:
Quote Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
By being baptized in water you are confessing him as your Lord before men. Of course, we do not stop at water baptism but obey all his Word before men.
Love in Christ,
MartyT;
I do not like going over the same ground and yet here I am once more pointing out that Jesus instructed the Eleven to immerse those that received the Word and teach them to obey all things. He is clearly not speaking of immersing them in the Spirit as he does that, not them, and it clearly is not optional as it is one of the group of “all teachings” he taught them and instructed them to teach believers to obey.
Jesus’ teachings are fairly extensive but they contain a promise of the righteousness that is created like God’s and which comes by faith from first to last.
Jesus was immersed into the priesthood. God is God and is the source of righteousness as well as the priesthood.
Quote (942767 @ May 28 2012,18:26) Hi T: You ask:
Quote if Mat 28;19 was an order why so few of the disciples are found not to practice water baptism except on Jews ,for a Jew that knows his God (or should) baptism mean repentance of what he know he should have done and did not , Matthew 28;19 states:
Quote Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost He says: “ALL NATIONS”.
I do not know how you are arriving at your conclusion relative to few Jews being baptized. The Apostles in the Acts of the Apostles baptized believers in water both Jews and gentiles.
Salvation is by “faith” so that it might be by grace. It is true that the Jews were under the Law of Moses, but the scriptures state that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness to all who believe in Jesus. There is neither Jew or gentile in the Lord, but the body is of Christ.
And you ask:
Quote how are believers separated by water baptism ? or by believing and practice in the knowledge of God and father of Christ ,that God has send his son into the world to save it I have already told you that salvation is by “faith” and so no, it is not by water baptism but believing and practicing or putting into practice the Word of God. Water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented. It is a part of the Word of God that we put into practice. It an outward expression to the world showing that you are united with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus said:
Quote Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
By being baptized in water you are confessing him as your Lord before men. Of course, we do not stop at water baptism but obey all his Word before men.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martysinse you seem to know more scriptures than some others here ,tell me how many Jews were baptized and that are reccorded in scriptures :: ??
and how man gentiles were baptized in their ignorance of God almithy and the knowledge of his son Jesus Christ ;;
then tell me to whom should someone go to get baptized
?and you never answered my question but just push trough your religion opinions,so answer first my question and then you can trow your religion opinions it would make more sense that way.
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2012,18:52) T; I do not like going over the same ground and yet here I am once more pointing out that Jesus instructed the Eleven to immerse those that received the Word and teach them to obey all things. He is clearly not speaking of immersing them in the Spirit as he does that, not them, and it clearly is not optional as it is one of the group of “all teachings” he taught them and instructed them to teach believers to obey.
Jesus’ teachings are fairly extensive but they contain a promise of the righteousness that is created like God’s and which comes by faith from first to last.
Jesus was immersed into the priesthood. God is God and is the source of righteousness as well as the priesthood.
Kyes immerge them but it does not say IN WATER does it
Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2012,08:18) K yes immerge them but it does not say IN WATER does it
Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
T;The Eleven are like John the Baptist and do not have the authority to send the Spirit of the Son. Only Jesus was given that authority. For that reason immerse means immersion in water. They were instructed to immerse in water and Jesus immerses in the Spirit of the Son. It is through that Spirit he is with his followers always.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,01:30) Hi,
Eusebius showed that this verse[mt 28.19] had been corrupted.
Nick;Who is Eusebius? Does he speak the Word of God?
Hi KW,
Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28.
“baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinityQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,02:53) Hi KW,
Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28.
“baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinity
Nick;That makes it hearsay evidence since we do not have the manuscript itself.
I do not see as it is a major issue as the authority of both Jesus and the Spirit comes from God. It is not what I am pointing out to Pierre as I am pointing out that Jesus taught the Eleven to immerse students in water as they do not have the authority to immerse in the Spirit of God.
Hi KW,
Maybe.But all evidence should be considered.
Remember this verse does not have sciptural witnesses.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,14:53) Hi KW,
Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28.
“baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinity
Mat 28;19does not show up in the Hebrew version of Mathieu
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,04:03) Hi KW,
Maybe.But all evidence should be considered.
Remember this verse does not have sciptural witnesses.
Nick;It is a possibility that requires more evidence to make more certain.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,06:30) Hi,
Eusebius showed that this verse[mt 28.19] had been corrupted.
Hi Nick,How exactly did he show this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ May 29 2012,04:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,14:53) Hi KW,
Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28.
“baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinity
Mat 28;19does not show up in the Hebrew version of Mathieu
T;Are you speaking of the gospel of the Hebrews?
Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2012,16:20) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2012,04:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,14:53) Hi KW,
Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28.
“baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinity
Mat 28;19does not show up in the Hebrew version of Mathieu
T;Are you speaking of the gospel of the Hebrews?
KNO, the Hebrew version of the gospel of Mathew
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,09:03) Hi KW,
Maybe.But all evidence should be considered.
Remember this verse does not have sciptural witnesses.
Hi Nick,'scriptural witnesses'? …please define this term YOU keep using …so that we to may know what you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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