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- November 12, 2006 at 1:37 am#32297sscottParticipant
These two verse say different things:
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
This verse seems to imply that the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
Now look at these two:
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
So…who raised Jesus from the dead. His Father or Himself?
November 12, 2006 at 1:57 am#32300NickHassanParticipantHi sscott,
No conflict.
Interesting this verse was quoted by the accusers of Jesus.
The Father did by His Spirit which was in Christ and spoke through Christ in prophecy.November 12, 2006 at 2:00 am#32301sscottParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2006,01:57) Hi sscott,
No conflict.
Interesting this verse was quoted by the accusers of Jesus.
The Father did by His Spirit which was in Christ and spoke through Christ in prophecy.
Isn't that assuming something that is not there? Jesus said He would raise Himself.November 12, 2006 at 2:18 am#32303NickHassanParticipantHi sscott,
Eighteen plus verses say he was raised by the Father.
He is the firstborn from the dead.
It is the same as for us.
We follow him.Rom 8
“11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”November 12, 2006 at 5:47 am#32314davidParticipantHi Scott.
By what he here said at John 2:19, did Jesus mean that he would resurrect himself from the dead?
Using a similar mode of expression, at Luke 8:48 Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman:
“Your faith has made you well.”
Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her becauseshe had faith. (Luke 8:46; Acts 10:38) Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.david
November 12, 2006 at 5:57 am#32315davidParticipantHi Scott. I see you're on here.
Here is another way to look at this.
Looking at John 2:19, we must harmonize Jesus’ words with many other scriptures, which clearly show that God and Christ are separate persons and not equal and not tied together, along with the holy spirit, to form one god.
Numerous texts show that Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, but that he was resurrected by Jehovah God his Father. (Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 15:15; Eph. 1:20) So how may we logically view John 2:19?
The context must be examined. Verses 13 to 18 show that Jesus had cleansed the literal temple at Jerusalem, routing from it those who were making it a place of merchandise, and as a result had been confronted with this question from the Jews: “What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?” Then in the 19th verse Jesus told them the sign, which is the basis of our question. Verses 20-22 continue: “Therefore the Jews said: ‘This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?’ But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this.”
This setting shows that Jesus was not talking about his physical body, but “he was talking about the temple of his body”. The temple in Jerusalem that Jesus cleansed represented not Jesus alone but also the body-members over which he is head. Just as the literal temple was not made up of one stone but many, so “the temple of his body” consists of many living stones, with Jesus as the foundation cornerstone: “You yourselves also as living stones are being built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Pet. 2:4-7) After the Jewish religionists rejected Christ the living stone and broke him down by death on the torture stake, on the third day thereafter Jehovah God raised him up to become the chief cornerstone of the temple of living stones then under preparation. He immediately appeared to his disciples and lifted them up out of their despondency, built them up spiritually so that they could “offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God”. That this building of “the temple of his body” started then and continued through the years that followed is shown by Peter’s use of the present tense when years afterward he said Christ’s followers “are being built up a spiritual house”.
Now with this broadened view of matters we must return to the consideration of Jesus’ words, “In three days I will raise it up.” We have seen how he did start giving attention to the building up of the temple of living stones after his resurrection on the third day of his death. Yet it might be argued with some force that since Jesus was to be the chief cornerstone and he was the firstfruits of the resurrection, the first one to be built up for use in the construction of the spiritual house or temple, we cannot eliminate him entirely from this.
david
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