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Who is YHWH? Is he God Most High?
Lets ask someone who has seen God then to tell us.
1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.
Exodus 33:11
11 The LORD (Jehovah) would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
What the heck who is this Jehovah then?
Acts 7:38
38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to pass on to us.
Oh he was an angel. What kind of angel?
Colossians 2:16-21
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch”An angel that put us into bondage? Wow Yikes!
Christ set us free from this bondage.
Colossians 2:14-15
14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Then who does Christ say this Jehovah is?
John 8:44
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Go back and Read Genesis 3 with and open mind and discover for yourself the truth of what is written there. Try not to let the lies of the pulpit blind you from what the text actually says.
It says that Adam and Eve were not created immortal and were prevented from becoming so by the Jehovah gods.
It says that the serpent told the truth and that their eyes did open and they did become like gods knowing good and evil.
It says that the Jehovah gods told the first lie and sentenced man to death.
Jehovah is not God Most High he is a rebellious principality and power.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
8When the Most High(El Elyon) gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9But the LORD’s (Jehovah's) portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.Jehovah was the tribal deity over Israel. One of the Watchers set over each of the nations. His portion was Israel. Jehovah is not El Elyon. He is under El Elyon.
Open your eyes. Be wise as the serpent! The truth will set you free from bondage to evil principalities and powers.
The Catholic Church lied and forged scriptures to hide that they made Jesus the son of Jehovah. Worse yet they made him a mulitple personality of Jehovah as if he wasn't insane enough already that had to give him a disorder.
Song of Songs 8:6
Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm:
for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave:
the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it
Jealousy is as cruel as the grave?
Exodus 34:13
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, WHOSE NAME IS JEALOUS, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a WHORING after their gods.
Is God really Jealous?
1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
God is Love? What is Love?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
God is Love and Love is not Jealous?
This god who's name is Jealous is therefore not God!
Isaiah 45:7
7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
James 1:13
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Isaiah 45:3
3And I will give thee the treasures of darknessJames 1:17
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Ug, treasures of darkness? No thanks. Are we really talking about the same God here?
Seriously
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 08 2008,08:59) Anyone care to respond to this?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What Commandments (plural) are these scriptures speaking of? And please notice some scriptures include JESUS. So Jesus and the Commandments seem to go together.
The last day saints KEEP the commandmentS of GOD AND faith of Jesus. They don't deny the commandments of God.
And BTW why did Jesus have to fulfill the sacrificial law?
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.“…Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? “
“…And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,”
Why would the Son of the Most High have to do anything for the bad angels and their prophets?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 08 2008,09:28) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 08 2008,08:59) Anyone care to respond to this?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What Commandments (plural) are these scriptures speaking of? And please notice some scriptures include JESUS. So Jesus and the Commandments seem to go together.
The last day saints KEEP the commandmentS of GOD AND faith of Jesus. They don't deny the commandments of God.
First of all, John probably did not write any of those books. Secondly even these Ghost written books have been altered. 1 John is the book given the most support by scholars and I personally find it a wonderful book.Concerning the commandments. Well, unfortunately the Catholics changed anything they didn't like what Jesus taught.
But essentially Jesus taught a law the TRUE LAW.
Much of it is found in Matthew 5. Sermon on the mount.
However, the easy answer is Love, TRUE LOVE.
Read what the Nazarene Essenes believed and you will see how extremely evident it is what Christ's teachings are reflective of.
The Law given to moses according to them was either not really what moses received or that angels gave him a law containing many bad things. (remember the Law is NOT just ten commandments).
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 08 2008,09:34) And BTW why did Jesus have to fulfill the sacrificial law? Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.“…Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? “
“…And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,”
Why would the Son of the Most High have to do anything for the bad angels and their prophets?
I dont think Jesus had to fulfill any sacraficial Laws.The essenes believed blood sacrifice was an abhorent evil teaching of fallen angels. Let that sink in. Because all of us know that blood sacrifice is barbaric and cruel and makes no sense.
Essene and Pharisee teaching got mixed together by Paul and later greco/roman converts.
Christ was killed by principalities in order to put a stop to his teaching.
However, Jesus knew all along that he would enter flesh live and die like us and descend into the grave like us. He died in order to preach to the captives and set them free kicking open the gates of hades.
Jesus didn't do anything FOR THEM. He made a spectacle of them who thought they could trap his spirit in hades. He rose forth setting the captives free.
We can follow Christ and be led out of this darkness into the light of his path.
So luke is wrong?
Mat. Mark John also is wrong?
Isiah 53 is wrong?
Paul is wrong?
Would it not be easier for you to tell me what in the bible is right?
Everything is backwards. The serpent is the holy spirit and not satan. Jehovah is not God but a bad angel.
When you die under Jehovah (the bad angel) then you are reincarnated to flesh again. But since Adam and Eve did as the “most high” said from a serpent (the holy spirit) Adam and Eve MUST be in heaven after they died because they were set free BY taking of the tree of good and evil.
And so the curse of Adam is a blessing and not a curse?
Whew! We need a NEW story book. I have to trust the Lord that HE will guide me to all truth no matter how different it seems. But your theory seems to have a lot of holes in it. No offense!
Really maybe take it one at a time. Then lets discuss that.
For instance give something and then where you found that belief (which of the “other writings) and WHY we should believe it. After all this site is suppose to be truth seeking.
So in the end times No “True Saint ” will be keeping God's commandments and faith in Jesus”?
BTW God's commandments are those HE wrote NOT the law He gave to Moses.We can follow Christ and be led out of this darkness into the light of his path.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Is the above scripture wrong?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 08 2008,10:48) So luke is wrong? Mat. Mark John also is wrong?
Isiah 53 is wrong?
Paul is wrong?
Would it not be easier for you to tell me what in the bible is right?
Everything is backwards. The serpent is the holy spirit and not satan. Jehovah is not God but a bad angel.
When you die under Jehovah (the bad angel) then you are reincarnated to flesh again. But since Adam and Eve did as the “most high” said from a serpent (the holy spirit) Adam and Eve MUST be in heaven after they died because they were set free BY taking of the tree of good and evil.
And so the curse of Adam is a blessing and not a curse?
Whew! We need a NEW story book. I have to trust the Lord that HE will guide me to all truth no matter how different it seems. But your theory seems to have a lot of holes in it. No offense!
Really maybe take it one at a time. Then lets discuss that.
For instance give something and then where you found that belief (which of the “other writings) and WHY we should believe it. After all this site is suppose to be truth seeking.
So in the end times No “True Saint ” will be keeping God's commandments and faith in Jesus”?
BTW God's commandments are those HE wrote NOT the law He gave to Moses.
I understand. But this is what early christians believed as they were persecuted by rome.Paul was gnostic, but he combined pharisee and essene teaching creating a hybrid. He took his pharisee background and created a splinter sect.
Paul didn't believe Jehovah was the most high.
Gal 3:19-20, Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one…
Here is a direct denial of God for some intermidiate and lower being. But Paul is not alone in his beliefs that the Jewish God was the not real God. The Book of John is very Gnostic in theme, regardless of later Church efforts at editing and censorship. The Gnostics too believed Jesus was the Son of God, born of the Holy Spirit. The Gnostic Holy Spirit was female, or the feminine side of God.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 08 2008,10:52) We can follow Christ and be led out of this darkness into the light of his path.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Is the above scripture wrong?
Well Peter didn't write it.but I believe it reflects a true statement.
Quote Paul didn't believe Jehovah was the most high. HEBREWS 7:1
“For this Mel·chiz′e·dek, king of Sa′lem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him”Quote Well Peter didn't write it. Peter’s writership is established by the opening words.
1 PETER 1:1
“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the temporary residents scattered about in Pon′tus, Ga·la′ti·a, Cap·pa·do′ci·a, Asia, and Bi·thyn′i·a, to the ones chosen”2 PETER 1:1
“Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith, held in equal privilege with ours, by the righteousness of our God and [the] Savior Jesus Christ:”2 PETER 3:1
“Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing YOU, in which, as in my first one, I am arousing YOUR clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,”Additional internal evidence unmistakably points to Peter as the writer. He speaks of himself as an eyewitness of the transfiguration of Jesus Christ, a privilege shared only by Peter, James, and John. (2Pe 1:16-18; Mt 17:1-9) And, as is evident from John 21:18, 19, Peter alone could have said: “The putting off of my tabernacle is soon to be, just as also our Lord Jesus Christ signified to me.” (2Pe 1:14) The difference in style between the two letters may be attributed to the fact that Peter used Silvanus (Silas) for writing the first letter but apparently did not do so when writing his second letter. (1Pe 5:12) Both were general letters, evidently directed to Jewish and non-Jewish Christians.
Moreover, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Tertullian all quote the letter, naming Peter as writer. –McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia, 1981 reprint, Vol. VIII, page 15.
Eusebius tells us that the elders of the church made free use of the letter; there was no question as to its authenticity in his time (c. 260-342 C.E.). Ignatius, Hermas, and Barnabas, of the early second century, all make references to it. –New Bible Dictionary, second edition, 1986, edited by J. D. Douglas, page 918.
Hi SOL,
Paul was gnostic?
Sorry but Paul was a servant of Christ.
Christ was in him and spoke and worked through him.
He regarded his past as rubbish and showed that his faith in Christ was all.
He left behind the schoolteacher and left milk for meat continuing the works of God in Christ.I would be much more interested in seeing you respond to my previous posts just a page or so back about the comparisons of old testament and new testament God.
We have many ancient texts that are written in the name of an apostle. Does this make them authentic as well?
That is not sound logic. It was written by peter because IT SAYS it was written by peter?
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 07 2008,19:06) Who is YHWH? Is he God Most High? Lets ask someone who has seen God then to tell us.
1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.
Exodus 33:11
11 The LORD (Jehovah) would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
What the heck who is this Jehovah then?
Acts 7:38
38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to pass on to us.
Oh he was an angel. What kind of angel?
Colossians 2:16-21
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch”An angel that put us into bondage? Wow Yikes!
Christ set us free from this bondage.
Colossians 2:14-15
14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Then who does Christ say this Jehovah is?
John 8:44
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Go back and Read Genesis 3 with and open mind and discover for yourself the truth of what is written there. Try not to let the lies of the pulpit blind you from what the text actually says.
It says that Adam and Eve were not created immortal and were prevented from becoming so by the Jehovah gods.
It says that the serpent told the truth and that their eyes did open and they did become like gods knowing good and evil.
It says that the Jehovah gods told the first lie and sentenced man to death.
Jehovah is not God Most High he is a rebellious principality and power.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
8When the Most High(El Elyon) gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9But the LORD’s (Jehovah's) portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.Jehovah was the tribal deity over Israel. One of the Watchers set over each of the nations. His portion was Israel. Jehovah is not El Elyon. He is under El Elyon.
Open your eyes. Be wise as the serpent! The truth will set you free from bondage to evil principalities and powers.
The Catholic Church lied and forged scriptures to hide that they made Jesus the son of Jehovah. Worse yet they made him a mulitple personality of Jehovah as if he wasn't insane enough already that had to give him a disorder.
Hi SOL,
You present a mish mash of preformed opinions that you attempt to glorify with scripture IMHO.actually these things I am saying are in actual scriptures hidden and denied by rome.
This is nothing new and is very old.
Nag Hammadi Library anyone?
Hi SOL,
You say
“Jehovah was the tribal deity over Israel. One of the Watchers set over each of the nations. His portion was Israel. Jehovah is not El Elyon. He is under El Elyon.”
Where is this written?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2008,13:05) Hi SOL,
You say
“Jehovah was the tribal deity over Israel. One of the Watchers set over each of the nations. His portion was Israel. Jehovah is not El Elyon. He is under El Elyon.”
Where is this written?
many many apocrypha books like Jubilees and the book of adam and eve and the apocalypse of moses (which is quoted by jude btw).deuteronomy 32:8-9
all of the ugaritic tablets we have today from canaanite archeaology.
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