Who is this woman clothed with

[Devolution]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2013,17:42)

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 26 2013,22:16) This is what we are speaking of…His ORIGINS…heavenly. Okay.  Got it.

Oh…cool.

I probably didn't need to answer you in the above then after all that!!

I knew you'd be able to analyse and understand where we are coming from…

Sure…it doesn't mean you have to agree, i can live with that, its not earth shattering but normal amongst opinions, but at least you understand what we're saying!!

And since you understand us, you can see we're not twisting scriptures but just coming from another angle within them.

Peace.

[Devolution]

PS Mike,

You have brought up good questions & analysed & broken them down well.

All your questions were valid & logical.

Sorry if I was a bit harsh, I guess I am a bit defensive lately.

Please don't let that stop you from asking and testing us.
Anything I have explained & is still unclear….
Just ask Journey, and she will interpret my ramblings to you…

We call her the INTERPRETER.

God bless.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 27 2013,16:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,10:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2013,09:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) You seem to understand that the woman is Gods teachings(doctrine). I understand that is what you are claiming. Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) This was Gods woman taught to israel. So the righteous ways God tried to teach the Israelites were “God's woman”? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) Jesus born out of mother Zion. Then Jesus took over for a short while,and he gave it over to men to teach;this is the daughter of Zion. Now I'm lost again.  Are you saying that the mother BECAME her own daughter? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) Jesus will come back to take over,and he will bring her to perfection, in his 1000yr reign.This will be his treasure,his bride,the work of his hand. So Jesus will bring his own “mother” to perfection, and then marry her? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) When christ has gone up to his Father,the woman(daughter of Zion) has been persecuted by Paul,and God helped the woman and hides her.This is when they had to hide behind locked doors here and there. This part kind of makes sense – as ONE possible understanding.  But the doctrine of Christians was not persecuted for only 3 and a half years.  The persecution goes on to this day. Hi Mike, Good scrutiny of Wakeup's doctrine. God bless Ed J Ed, Do you think everything we understand is from Wakeup only? No, Wakeup has taught us MANY things, yes, but we had to see it for ourselves before we agreed Ed….we have also taught Wakeup things Ed…this is no dictatorship Ed, its a bretherenship. Sometimes on certain subjects we have DISAGREED, sometimes for weeks, months, even a year and a half on one subject…but eventually we always come to the same conclusion. We're not like churches Ed…”I'm the teacher and that's that” kind of mentality..no. So there you go, it's not Wakeup's doctrine, but the doctrine that Wakeup speaks…we or ourselves also see in the scriptures. And FYI, I worked this one out for myself a year & a half or so ago…that it lines up perfectly with what Wakeup says is just evidence we are seeing the same things IN SCRIPTURE…again, this is not “Wakeup's doctrine” as though he is trying to be some sort of Guru, Wakeup is a very honest & humble man who guided us to much understanding…not ALL our understanding…we have to work (seek) for ourselves too Ed. So no point trying to demonise Wakeup when you disagree, we are not a cult okay? We learn individually at the same time as collectively okay Ed? That is how the Spirit teaches…ALL learn and ALL teach eachother…even the teacher learns at times and gets corrected at times…God does this so no man is exalted above his station and becomes puffed up. And the fact Wakeup has accepted error in the past and changed his viewpoint on certain subjects is a testament to his humility and not some puffed up teacher that is not to be questioned nor challenged. Thought you should know.

Hi Devolution,

Then you can appreciate me directing Wakeup's words back to himself.     Everything I teach
you guys is doctrine derived directly form my 40+ years of study into God's word. (see Deut.32:2-3)

Deuteronomy chapter 32 is the “Song of Moses” and it states in Rev.15:2-3 that those who have
gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image are the ones who sing the song of Moses.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,13:06)

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 27 2013,16:59) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,10:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2013,09:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) You seem to understand that the woman is Gods teachings(doctrine). I understand that is what you are claiming. Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) This was Gods woman taught to israel. So the righteous ways God tried to teach the Israelites were “God's woman”? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) Jesus born out of mother Zion. Then Jesus took over for a short while,and he gave it over to men to teach;this is the daughter of Zion. Now I'm lost again.  Are you saying that the mother BECAME her own daughter? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) Jesus will come back to take over,and he will bring her to perfection, in his 1000yr reign.This will be his treasure,his bride,the work of his hand. So Jesus will bring his own “mother” to perfection, and then marry her? Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,22:08) When christ has gone up to his Father,the woman(daughter of Zion) has been persecuted by Paul,and God helped the woman and hides her.This is when they had to hide behind locked doors here and there. This part kind of makes sense – as ONE possible understanding.  But the doctrine of Christians was not persecuted for only 3 and a half years.  The persecution goes on to this day. Hi Mike, Good scrutiny of Wakeup's doctrine. God bless Ed J Ed, Do you think everything we understand is from Wakeup only? No, Wakeup has taught us MANY things, yes, but we had to see it for ourselves before we agreed Ed….we have also taught Wakeup things Ed…this is no dictatorship Ed, its a bretherenship. Sometimes on certain subjects we have DISAGREED, sometimes for weeks, months, even a year and a half on one subject…but eventually we always come to the same conclusion. We're not like churches Ed…”I'm the teacher and that's that” kind of mentality..no. So there you go, it's not Wakeup's doctrine, but the doctrine that Wakeup speaks…we or ourselves also see in the scriptures. And FYI, I worked this one out for myself a year & a half or so ago…that it lines up perfectly with what Wakeup says is just evidence we are seeing the same things IN SCRIPTURE…again, this is not “Wakeup's doctrine” as though he is trying to be some sort of Guru, Wakeup is a very honest & humble man who guided us to much understanding…not ALL our understanding…we have to work (seek) for ourselves too Ed. So no point trying to demonise Wakeup when you disagree, we are not a cult okay? We learn individually at the same time as collectively okay Ed? That is how the Spirit teaches…ALL learn and ALL teach eachother…even the teacher learns at times and gets corrected at times…God does this so no man is exalted above his station and becomes puffed up. And the fact Wakeup has accepted error in the past and changed his viewpoint on certain subjects is a testament to his humility and not some puffed up teacher that is not to be questioned nor challenged. Thought you should know. Hi Devolution, Then you can appreciate me directing Wakeup's words back to himself.     Everything I teach you guys is doctrine derived directly form my 40+ years of study into God's word. (see Deut.32:2-3) Deuteronomy chapter 32 is the “Song of Moses” and it states in Rev.15:2-3 that those who have gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image are the ones who sing the song of Moses. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, AND the song of the Lamb, saying great and marvelous are thy works, Lord god Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

The song of Moses can be learn't. The words are in the scriptures. The song of the Lamb has to be searched for. The words are not laid out straight forward, but spread out through all the scriptures, hidden deep. Those who know the song of the lamb have found the whole truth. These ones are the “friends” of Christ. He has shown them everything. They found the jewels.

[Ed J]

Hi Journey42,

        That number: “144,000″ is a symbolic number, not a literal head count

“and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty
 and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.” (Rev 14:3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,10:07)

Hi Journey42,         That number: “144,000″ is a symbolic number, not a literal head count “and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty  and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.” (Rev 14:3) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Quote

That number: “144,000” is a symbolic number, not a literal head count

SO THIS IS THE KEY WORDING TO ALLOW YOUR INTERPRETATION TO BECOME TRUE ,

BUT IS THE SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING THAT ;no,ONLY Ed j

what scriptures says is this ;;
Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

their are two things in those scriptures 1) they are with Christ and their number his 144000 ,2) they are the only ones that are redeemed from the earth ,and stand with the lamb ,

and one more thing what differ them this ;;They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

this is real talk no convenient symbolism

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number
or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18)

Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

“And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured
 the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to
 the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:27)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again.

twelve thousand furlongs

12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000

The area of the the “HolyCity” is 144,000
and the height of the wall is 144 cubits

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again. twelve thousand furlongs        12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000 The area of the the “HolyCity” is 144,000 and the height of the wall is 144 cubits

So is it important to find out what a furlong and cubit
is or what 144 is (as in what does 144 symbolize)?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:36) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again. twelve thousand furlongs        12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000 The area of the the “HolyCity” is 144,000 and the height of the wall is 144 cubits So is it important to find out what a furlong and cubit is or what 144 is (as in what does 144 symbolize)?

EDJ.

No need to find out anything.
Just say its all symbolical,or spiritual,and be done with it.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,21:27)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again.

Hi Ed,

According to the measure of a MAN, that is, of the ANGEL.

Rom12:5 So we, being many, are ONE body in Christ, and individually members of one another.

Peace…

[Ed J]

Quote (abe @ Jan. 28 2013,17:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,21:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again. Hi Ed,  According to the measure of a MAN, that is, of the ANGEL. Rom12:5   So we, being many, are ONE body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Peace…

Hi Abe,

That is correct. It symbolizes
us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”.
Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.

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“Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
    “Tents of Shem” equal 144

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.

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                          The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )          

The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four(144) thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

---

Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
rather than just merely a person.
Jesus Christ fills this office.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[abe]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,22:29)

Quote (abe @ Jan. 28 2013,17:20) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,21:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,16:18) Hi Pierre, Whether you believe 144,000 is a symbolic number or not makes no difference, either it is or it isn't. God bless Ed J “And the[Holy City] lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured  the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.  And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to  the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.” (Rev 21:16-17)  Here the symbolic number 144 is used once again. Hi Ed,  According to the measure of a MAN, that is, of the ANGEL. Rom12:5   So we, being many, are ONE body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Peace… Hi Abe, That is correct. It symbolizes us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”. Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.                         “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)     “Tents of Shem” equal 144 Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.                                                   The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )           The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four(144) thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office rather than just merely a person. Jesus Christ fills this office. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

I wonder where Melchizedek is, in Revelations?

Peace brother..

[journey42]

Ed wrote:

[/quote]

Quote

Hi Abe, That is correct. It symbolizes us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”. Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.                         “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)     “Tents of Shem” equal 144 Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.                                                   The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )           The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Ed

Noah had three sons.
Shem, Ham & Japeth.
Out of Shem came the Israelites.
Out of Ham came the Islamic and coloured nations, asians, etc.
Out of Japeth came the Europeans.

Shem and Japeth share the same tent.
They serve the same God, The Father of Christ.  The author of the holy scriptures

Ham's people serve a different God. All the false God's that came out of Babel.
It's that simple.

Saying that the tent of Shem is the 144,000 is incorrect.
The 144,000 are called by the twelve tribes of Israel, but there are no tribes today.  Israel has been scattered in the past throughout the four corners of the earth.
They have been mixed and bred out.  They are amongst the gentiles.  They could be you, or me, anyone. England, France, Germany, Norway etc.  Only God knows our roots going far back.
Abraham was told that his seed would be as the number of the sand of the sea.  From Abraham's loins there are MANY nations, not just Israel.
Wayne (Devo) has just found some new evidence that the world has been hiding from us for thousands of years.  He might want to speak about it one day.  I leave that to him.

Your divining is incorrect in interpreting the scriptures.  No where in the scriptures does it tell us to use your formula.  Occults use numbers for meanings.  Christians use the scriptures.  

You should keep it simple Ed.  

2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

It says nothing about numbers.  Only scripture.  So scripture takes authority over numbers.

[abe]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 28 2013,02:29)

Ed wrote: [/quote] Quote Hi Abe, That is correct. It symbolizes us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”. Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.                         “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)     “Tents of Shem” equal 144 Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.                                                   The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )           The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. Ed Noah had three sons. Shem, Ham & Japeth. Out of Shem came the Israelites. Out of Ham came the Islamic and coloured nations, asians, etc. Out of Japeth came the Europeans. Shem and Japeth share the same tent. They serve the same God, The Father of Christ.  The author of the holy scriptures Ham's people serve a different God. All the false God's that came out of Babel. It's that simple. Saying that the tent of Shem is the 144,000 is incorrect. The 144,000 are called by the twelve tribes of Israel, but there are no tribes today.  Israel has been scattered in the past throughout the four corners of the earth. They have been mixed and bred out.  They are amongst the gentiles.  They could be you, or me, anyone. England, France, Germany, Norway etc.  Only God knows our roots going far back. Abraham was told that his seed would be as the number of the sand of the sea.  From Abraham's loins there are MANY nations, not just Israel. Wayne (Devo) has just found some new evidence that the world has been hiding from us for thousands of years.  He might want to speak about it one day.  I leave that to him. Your divining is incorrect in interpreting the scriptures.  No where in the scriptures does it tell us to use your formula.  Occults use numbers for meanings.  Christians use the scriptures.   You should keep it simple Ed.   2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness It says nothing about numbers.  Only scripture.  So scripture takes authority over numbers.

AMEN

Thank you journey.

Peace.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 28 2013,21:29)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,17:29) Quote Hi Abe, That is correct. It symbolizes us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”. Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.                         “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)     “Tents of Shem” equal 144 Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.                                                   The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )           The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. Ed Noah had three sons. Shem, Ham & Japeth. Out of Shem came the Israelites. Out of Ham came the Islamic and coloured nations, asians, etc. Out of Japeth came the Europeans. (1) Shem and Japeth share the same tent. They serve the same God, The Father of Christ.  The author of the holy scriptures (2) Saying that the tent of Shem is the 144,000 is incorrect.

Hi Journey42,,

1) You get that the term “Tents of Shem”(144) has a symbolic meaning, rather than a physical one; but you FAIL
    to make the same connection to the number “144,000”, which is symbolically associated with God's “HolyCity”.

2) “Spin”, I never said that; nor was that the point I was making.  

The point I was making is: the “Feast of Tabernacles”, which is the last of the seven feasts of the LORD,
all the participants dwell in “Tents” called “Booths”; like I said, you need to study God's seven feasts.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 28 2013,21:29)

Ed Your divining is incorrect in interpreting the scriptures.

Hi Journey42, NOT so!

The message God is sending us here is: that He (YHVH) intends to “tabernacle in us”(144).
“for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk
 in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Corinthians 6:16)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (abe @ Jan. 28 2013,18:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,22:29) Hi Abe, Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office rather than just merely a person. Jesus Christ fills this office. God bless Ed J Hi Ed, I wonder where Melchizedek is, in Revelations? Peace brother..

Hi Abe, here:

“And [He] (Jesus Christ) hath made us kings and priests unto [our] God and his Father; (Rev 1:6)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 28 2013,16:29)

Ed wrote: [/quote] Quote Hi Abe, That is correct. It symbolizes us dwelling in the “Tents of Shem”. Which is hinting towards “Feast of Booths”.                         “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)     “Tents of Shem” equal 144 Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.                                                   The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )           The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. Ed Noah had three sons. Shem, Ham & Japeth. Out of Shem came the Israelites. Out of Ham came the Islamic and coloured nations, asians, etc. Out of Japeth came the Europeans. Shem and Japeth share the same tent. They serve the same God, The Father of Christ.  The author of the holy scriptures Ham's people serve a different God. All the false God's that came out of Babel. It's that simple. Saying that the tent of Shem is the 144,000 is incorrect. The 144,000 are called by the twelve tribes of Israel, but there are no tribes today.  Israel has been scattered in the past throughout the four corners of the earth. They have been mixed and bred out.  They are amongst the gentiles.  They could be you, or me, anyone. England, France, Germany, Norway etc.  Only God knows our roots going far back. Abraham was told that his seed would be as the number of the sand of the sea.  From Abraham's loins there are MANY nations, not just Israel. Wayne (Devo) has just found some new evidence that the world has been hiding from us for thousands of years.  He might want to speak about it one day.  I leave that to him. Your divining is incorrect in interpreting the scriptures.  No where in the scriptures does it tell us to use your formula.  Occults use numbers for meanings.  Christians use the scriptures.   You should keep it simple Ed.   2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness It says nothing about numbers.  Only scripture.  So scripture takes authority over numbers.

j42

good explanation ,like it

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