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No, I read it, (although I do find it saves vast amounts of time to not read most of what you write.)
Quote If, however, you interpret it as a 'relinquishing of the equality' (functional, not ontological) that He had intrinsically to take on the form (Gr. morphe) of a bond servant then that is much more I'm not fond of your inability to communicate effectively with me, and others.
Quote Did you actually read the post through David? Given that you asked this question I don't think you did. Please, if you could just answer my question…
Quote You submitted it David, don't you understand the material that you yourself quoted?
Yes, I understand it. But you say it is wrong. It is talking about Phil 2:6 though. So what gives?Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 27 2007,10:12) Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2007,10:07) The Expositor’s Greek Testament says: “We cannot find any passage where [har·pa′zo] or any of its derivatives [including har·pag·mon′] has the sense of ‘holding in possession,’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariably to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different, ‘hold fast.’”—(Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.
Well 'harpagamos' is only used once (Phil 2:6) and 'harpazo' is a different word….so the point is moot.
Hi Is 1.18,
If the point is moot
then it can no longer be used as “evidence” for your theory
that Christ always was equal to His Father and God?That ends that empty rhetoric.
Our God, the God of heaven, deserves more respect.
Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
Nehemiah 8:6
And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.Quote “We cannot find any passage where [har·pa′zo] or any of its derivatives [including har·pag·mon′] has the sense of ‘holding in possession,’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariably to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different, ‘hold fast.’”—(Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.
NH,
This point, that David quoted, is moot.What other passage can we compare “harpagamos” in Philippians 2:6 to when it's only used in that verse? And harpazo is a verb, not a noun.
Hi Nick
Quote Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
*cough cough cough* This coming from you?Hugs
PhoenixForget the “[harpazo]”
You'll notice that word was added. I might have gotten it wrong.
This is what it actually said: “ἁρπάζω”
Anyway, are you saying this reference work is wrong, then?
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 27 2007,10:25) Hi Nick Quote Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: *cough cough cough* This coming from you?Hugs
Phoenix
Hi P,
Do you know the whole of the commands of God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2007,10:30) Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 27 2007,10:25) Hi Nick Quote Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: *cough cough cough* This coming from you?Hugs
Phoenix
Hi P,
Do you know the whole of the commands of God?
Hi NickWe have been on this before. However, it is entirely up to you to bring it back to the open again.
Hugs
PhoenixNH
Quote Hi P,
Is it not great that we can wear the robe of the one who did it perfectly?Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Hebrews 10:5-7
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, O God.'- Christ came into the world;
- God prepared a body for him;
- He came to do God's will.
The nature of Christ. What is Christ? Is he a man? Is he God? Is he a God-man? Is he a divine-man?
One thing is for certain – he sacrificed his life. To sacrifice means he gave something up. Does anyone think that if Jesus didn't sacrifice his life that he could have moved out of Nazareth, bought a house in the burbs and go married; maybe had a few little Jewish boys?
If your response is that he could not have done this – then what, exactly, did he sacrifice by giving up his life?
And if he could do these things – what, exactly, would he sons be? Little gods? Divine boys? Just good ol' boys?
He is man. He is God. He is God and Man. He has all the nature and properties of God, and all the nature and properties of man. And He is one person.
He did sacrifice His life. This means He did not only passively obey the Father in going to the cross, but He also chose to go there on His own authority.
I don't know anything about the children of Jesus, but I do about His brothers. We are not God. We are man. We shall receive a body like His and be co-heirs with Him.
Tim
It's hard to really answer these questions, isn't it? I would think it especially hard for a Trinitarian to answer them. Because……
If Jesus is God, it really does seem impossible that he could have NOT gone to the cross, and say, changed his mind?
But the question still is…….could he have? The question still is………what did he sacrifice (besides a body prepared for him)?
Hi not3,
He is the lamb of God who was sacrificed.
He chose obedience in faith aware of his fate.
He lost his life and the single grain of wheat fell to the ground that we might live.
He was raised alive in the eternal Spirit of God as we hope to be too.
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