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Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,18:37) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,16:57) Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,02:39) “A truly religious man should think that other religions also are paths leading to the truth. We should always maintain an attitude of respect towards other religions.” Ramakrishna
Truth is absolute and like light it shines in the darkness. You cannot have 2 truths that contradict. Either it is light or it is darkness. There are not 2 or 3 different lights. There is one light. Likewise there is one faith and one God who is in all.
While I do not deny that there are absolute truths, I also believe there are relative truths. When I come in from a cold day the same breathe that warms my cold hands cools my hot soup. To my hands the breath is warm, to the soup cool, both are true. While God may be an absolute truth what we know of God is a relative one.
Cold and hot are themselves are subjective words and there meaning differs depending on what is being compared.The temperature is 75% Fahrenheit would instead be absolute.
If you call 75% Fahrenheit either hot or cold it does not change the temperature 1 degree.
Corrected word error.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2009,17:39) Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,18:37) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,16:57) Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,02:39) “A truly religious man should think that other religions also are paths leading to the truth. We should always maintain an attitude of respect towards other religions.” Ramakrishna
Truth is absolute and like light it shines in the darkness. You cannot have 2 truths that contradict. Either it is light or it is darkness. There are not 2 or 3 different lights. There is one light. Likewise there is one faith and one God who is in all.
While I do not deny that there are absolute truths, I also believe there are relative truths. When I come in from a cold day the same breathe that warms my cold hands cools my hot soup. To my hands the breath is warm, to the soup cool, both are true. While God may be an absolute truth what we know of God is a relative one.
Cold in hot are themselves are subjective words and there meaning differs depending on what is being compared.The temperature is 75% Fahrenheit would instead be absolute.
If you call 75% Fahrenheit either hot or cold it does not change the temperature 1 degree.
kerwin the truth is the truthWho is Jesus?
At the heart of Christianity is a central question, “Just who is Jesus Christ?” It may be astounding to some that such a question is still relevant after nearly two millennia of Christian activity, but as strange as it may seem, even Christians do not agree about the nature of the founder of their religion. This fact says a great deal about those who profess to be “Christian,” which at its most basic means “follower of Christ.” If Christians display such profound disagreement about Jesus Christ Himself, can they all really be following the same Person?
This subject becomes all the more important since, in its most common form, Christianity is proclaimed as a message about Jesus. What a person believes about Jesus, then, informs his understanding of the religion itself. We can see the result of this process in the thousands of Christian denominations in all parts of the world. While they all proclaim to be Christian, the individual sects emphasize different aspects of Jesus in their teaching. For instance:
» Baptists name themselves after Jesus' practice of baptizing converts, and they traditionally stress conformity to certain behavioral rules: no drinking, no card playing, no dancing. Jesus, to them, is a great moral Teacher.
» Pentecostals, on the other hand, call themselves after Jesus' promise of the gift of the Holy Spirit, which was fulfilled on the Feast of Pentecost after Jesus' death and resurrection. They are known for their great desire to express the gifts of the Spirit, particularly being able to speak in tongues. In other words, their Jesus is a Miracle Worker.
» Seventh-day Adventists take their name from the seventh-day Sabbath, which Jesus is plainly shown to have kept, as well as from His promise to come again. They promote Jesus as the bringer of the soon-coming rest of God.
» Methodists are so called because John Wesley emphasized a structured, methodical approach to Bible study and Christian living, teaching that believers must exercise their free will to come to Christ (as opposed to being absolutely predestined to salvation). Thus, they highlight Jesus' many commands for the individual to be actively involved in his own salvation and Christian growth.
» The Reformed Churches, descendants of the teaching of John Calvin, underscore the necessity of grace through faith in Christ, a reaction to abuses of the medieval Catholic Church's doctrine of works. In this way, they see Jesus as a gracious Redeemer.
Most denominations can be characterized—some would say caricatured—by identifying their concepts of Jesus Himself. He is Christianity's central figure, so how one views Christ determines what one believes and the religion he follows.
This confusion about Him actually began during His own life—even among those who had known Him all His life:
When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” So they were offended at Him. (Matthew 13:54-57)
It seems that there was general disagreement in Judea over just who He was:
» When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” (Matthew 16:13-14)
» And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, “Who is this?” So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.” (Matthew 21:10-11)
» Now some of them from Jerusalem said, “Is this not He whom they seek to kill? But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ? However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from.” (John 7:25-27)
Of course, His enemies had questions about Him too:
» And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Luke 5:21)
» And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” (Luke 7:49)
» Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them. (John 9:16)
However, Matthew 16:15-17 provides us with the best starting point, confirmed by Christ Himself, in answering the question, “Who is Jesus?”
He said to [His disciples], “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.”
The God-revealed answer is that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the literal Son of the Supreme Being of all the universe. Of course, He is a great deal more than this, but these two facts are the most foundational to our spiritual understanding of this wonderful Being. They give us the basis of His relationship to us and our future, as well as His relationship to Deity, fixing Him as the bridge between man and God. From this foundation, we can begin a deeper consideration of the biblical Jesus.
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Con,
Don't you find it simply amazing that all these various brands of Christianity are alive because of their own interpretations of ONE BOOK?
Love,
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 15 2009,22:12) Con, Don't you find it simply amazing that all these various brands of Christianity are alive because of their own interpretations of ONE BOOK?
Love,
Mandy
More brands are added daily.If you want to know who Jesus is just read the bible (kjv 1611 prefered) and pray evry day.
why do I use kjv? well by changing a few words you change the meaning example you will pick up your toys, is not the same as, will you pick up your toys? that did not change word just placement and that can change what the statement meanshi to all
did it never occure to you that it is the way it is for a reason,the scriptures said “and i will give grace to whom i will give grace”this is God speaking,it is rwitten that “he would try to dedeive the true chritians
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possibleso the elect one will and see through this mess of lies.
Another angle to the Truth of God could be that whatever each individual sees or perceives, from any and all information avenues avaliable on earth, as his own personal Truth, is the Truth for him. We create ourselves through the choices of information we accept and believe. There are great differences in all individuals that come from different viewpoints, so as creating our own personal perceptions of what God is saying to us. If one builds his spiritual house from a sin nature foundation he will find himself a sinner. If one builds his spiritual house from the viewpoint that all are from God and there is no sin/separation from God in truth then they will see themselves as sinless and one with the creator. If one sees themself as separate from God then in their mind they are separated from God. One can build a God in his mind from fear and trembling and he will see and perceive the truth of the scriptures in that light. If one choses to see and perceive God as a loving father it will change their viewpoint to a different foundation of faith and love which alters and changes the perception of God or the truth of what that individual is expecting and able to recieve.
We are freewill beings that can fill our minds and thoughts with whatever truth we desire to choose.
If we have to spend eternity living in the way we chose to perceive God on earth we might want to choose a little more love. I believe we may create our own heaven or hell. Its within our power. No ones going to stop us. God sets before us life and death, now choose! Bless all, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,17:07) Another angle to the Truth of God could be that whatever each individual sees or perceives, from any and all information avenues avaliable on earth, as his own personal Truth, is the Truth for him. We create ourselves through the choices of information we accept and believe. There are great differences in all individuals that come from different viewpoints, so as creating our own personal perceptions of what God is saying to us. If one builds his spiritual house from a sin nature foundation he will find himself a sinner. If one builds his spiritual house from the viewpoint that all are from God and there is no sin/separation from God in truth then they will see themselves as sinless and one with the creator. If one sees themself as separate from God then in their mind they are separated from God. One can build a God in his mind from fear and trembling and he will see and perceive the truth of the scriptures in that light. If one choses to see and perceive God as a loving father it will change their viewpoint to a different foundation of faith and love which alters and changes the perception of God or the truth of what that individual is expecting and able to recieve.
We are freewill beings that can fill our minds and thoughts with whatever truth we desire to choose.
If we have to spend eternity living in the way we chose to perceive God on earth we might want to choose a little more love. I believe we may create our own heaven or hell. Its within our power. No ones going to stop us. God sets before us life and death, now choose! Bless all, TK
Be careful that in “constructing” your own heaven that you do not “construct” hell.Love your neighbor and yourself as God intends is the sum of the law.
If you do not “construct” your life on that then you will “construct” hell by divorcing God.
It is only through adhering to the true teaching of Jesus you can construct your life on love.
Hi TK,
Again you offer the humanistic idea that we create truth by our perceptions.
If so then there is no real truth
They word is truth.Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,22:07) Another angle to the Truth of God could be that whatever each individual sees or perceives, from any and all information avenues avaliable on earth, as his own personal Truth, is the Truth for him. We create ourselves through the choices of information we accept and believe. There are great differences in all individuals that come from different viewpoints, so as creating our own personal perceptions of what God is saying to us. If one builds his spiritual house from a sin nature foundation he will find himself a sinner. If one builds his spiritual house from the viewpoint that all are from God and there is no sin/separation from God in truth then they will see themselves as sinless and one with the creator. If one sees themself as separate from God then in their mind they are separated from God. One can build a God in his mind from fear and trembling and he will see and perceive the truth of the scriptures in that light. If one choses to see and perceive God as a loving father it will change their viewpoint to a different foundation of faith and love which alters and changes the perception of God or the truth of what that individual is expecting and able to recieve.
We are freewill beings that can fill our minds and thoughts with whatever truth we desire to choose.
If we have to spend eternity living in the way we chose to perceive God on earth we might want to choose a little more love. I believe we may create our own heaven or hell. Its within our power. No ones going to stop us. God sets before us life and death, now choose! Bless all, TK
Hi TK:This is what the Word of God states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,03:07) Another angle to the Truth of God could be that whatever each individual sees or perceives, from any and all information avenues avaliable on earth, as his own personal Truth, is the Truth for him. We create ourselves through the choices of information we accept and believe. There are great differences in all individuals that come from different viewpoints, so as creating our own personal perceptions of what God is saying to us. If one builds his spiritual house from a sin nature foundation he will find himself a sinner. If one builds his spiritual house from the viewpoint that all are from God and there is no sin/separation from God in truth then they will see themselves as sinless and one with the creator. If one sees themself as separate from God then in their mind they are separated from God. One can build a God in his mind from fear and trembling and he will see and perceive the truth of the scriptures in that light. If one choses to see and perceive God as a loving father it will change their viewpoint to a different foundation of faith and love which alters and changes the perception of God or the truth of what that individual is expecting and able to recieve.
We are freewill beings that can fill our minds and thoughts with whatever truth we desire to choose.
If we have to spend eternity living in the way we chose to perceive God on earth we might want to choose a little more love. I believe we may create our own heaven or hell. Its within our power. No ones going to stop us. God sets before us life and death, now choose! Bless all, TK
Your pseudo would not happen to be Stu would it?Catjo Wrote:
To say you are the way and the truth is not the same as saying that others are therefore false or wrong.——————
In a sense you are right, but you're comparing apples and oranges. Jesus is the only way and truth to get to God.
Other religions claiming “certain ways” of gaining what Jesus offers can only be a lie, or false or wrong.
But if you mean that other religions can be truthful and right as far as being morally correct, or understanding sin…you're absolutely right. A religion can teach you not to sin, and give you a moral basis…but it cannot and will not grant you access to heaven. That truth is reserved for one name, and one name only….Jesus Christ.
BTW everything The Father is…Jesus is his physical representation in creation. So yea Jesus is exactly like God himself. Nothing else made could have this glory. So when God said, let us make man in OUR image…
It makes perfect sense if you understand Jesus is already in the image of God.
And if we're in the image of Jesus, we are also images of God.
But you know, a photocopy of a photocopy isn't as good as the real thing.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,04:34) Hi TK,
Again you offer the humanistic idea that we create truth by our perceptions.
If so then there is no real truth
They word is truth.
According to Paul he is right:I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:13-15But then you have people like Nick who
James 2:8-10 (King James Version)
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Colossians 2:(King James Version)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:3-5Most believe that the Law was nailed to the cross therefor there is no law or transgression in their view.
So if someone perceives they are sinning they are just like TK said.
Quote (RokkaMan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:36) Catjo Wrote:
To say you are the way and the truth is not the same as saying that others are therefore false or wrong.——————
In a sense you are right, but you're comparing apples and oranges. Jesus is the only way and truth to get to God.
Other religions claiming “certain ways” of gaining what Jesus offers can only be a lie, or false or wrong.
But if you mean that other religions can be truthful and right as far as being morally correct, or understanding sin…you're absolutely right. A religion can teach you not to sin, and give you a moral basis…but it cannot and will not grant you access to heaven. That truth is reserved for one name, and one name only….Jesus Christ.
BTW everything The Father is…Jesus is his physical representation in creation. So yea Jesus is exactly like God himself. Nothing else made could have this glory. So when God said, let us make man in OUR image…
It makes perfect sense if you understand Jesus is already in the image of God.
And if we're in the image of Jesus, we are also images of God.
But you know, a photocopy of a photocopy isn't as good as the real thing.
Jesus said “I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me” he did not say this is how it always was or how it always will be the fact is he was talking to the people he was sent to just like Noah said no one will be saved from this flood except through me or when Moses said no one will get to the promised land except through me.Jesus clearly said:
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
John 9:4-6Peter emphasizes the same sentiment:
Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2 Peter 1:12-14So those are present day statements not eternal proclamations:
2 Peter 1:12-14 (King James Version)
12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
14Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
What Jesus says is true he told them that he was the anointed if you do not accept the anointed one of God how can you know the Father? This is nothing new.
This is why many here cannot know the Father because Jesus is not in the world and if someone does not come across someone who is shining the true light they will be lost even assuming they are followers of Christ.
Matthew 5:13-15 (King James Version)
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
People don't believe Jesus that's why he said to his own disciples:
Matthew 17 (King James Version)
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
Why didn't his disciples believe him? Becuase they were fixated on him like Nick is and therefore cannot do what he taught. Yet God has given me the abilty to heal because I believe Jesus without being fixated on him.
Jesus is surely not the only way to God but he was the only way to God to whom he was sent to.
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