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C'mon Nick,
Just tell me what YOU think it means. I think it might take you about 10 seconds considering your “woodpecker typing”
Nick,
I have read the threads. The only begotten Son is the most likely of all to be what monogenes means. In the Bible translations, the word “only” is in every one that I have read through. Can you find a verse with “monogenes” in it where it does not translate as having “only” as part of the translation. I really don't think that it is up for debate. Jesus did not become the monogenes son at the Jordan. Baptism did not make Him an only begotten Son and it does not make us sons either. What comes first, faith in Christ or baptism in Christ? We become sons of God before we are baptized in water. If baptism made us sons of God and made Jesus a son of God then He would not be called the ONLY son of God. If baptism made us sons then baptism is a requirement for salvation. Are you prepared to make that statement. Don't forget that we are adopted and Jesus is not. We cannot follow Him into HIS sonship anymore than an adopted son can become a natural born son in a normal situation. Sorry Nick. The word “only” stands in your way for your understanding to be so. Do you really not think He was the Son of God before the Jordan???Quote (Gene @ Feb. 03 2010,15:36) LU……….The word (ONLY) is more appropriately (uniquely) because scriptures say ADAM was also a SON OF GOD, right?
Gene,
If you look up all the verses where “monogenes” is the Greek word, you will find that “only” is a part of the translation…not unique as you say.
Adam was of God. Technically, the Greek doesn't say that Adam was the son of God, it just says that he was “of God.” I would say that Adam as well as all mankind could be considered an offspring of God since He is our source but Adam and the rest of us were offsprings through being created. As you probably know, I do not think that the “only Son of God” came from a creative process but was begotten, not created.Kathi
To All,
Does anyone ever wonder why the gospels never record Jesus explaining to his disciples the whole virgin conception thing? (Perhaps they would have immediately thought that he was wacked, and would not have followed him). Nobody, that I'm aware of, ever called him “The Only Begotten Son” prior to Pentacost.
Nathaniel called him “The Son of God”, and “The King of Israel” after his brief initial encounter with Jesus in John 1:49. (These two titles meant one and the same thing to Israelites. They understood these titles to be applied to the future Messianic Ruler on David's throne. Today, we have titles of rulers here in the U.S.; The President of the United States & The Commander in Chief are titles that describe the same person)
“The Only Begotten Son” is a descriptive title not found of Jesus until some time after Pentacost (when the gospels and church epistles where written).
There's only one exception that I can think of, however, where I believe the concept is implied, and that is Peter's response to the Lord in Matthew 16:16 – 17, when Jesus asked who men thought that he was. Peter answered:
v.16: “Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.”
Immediately, Jesus commended Peter for this confession, saying that “flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.”
Perhaps there's something to the Greek in the translation of this verse that draws a greater emphasis to Peter's confession (that being, you are LITERALLY the Son of the Living God) than the confession of Nathaniel. Anyone know??
The other possibility is that Jesus is just simply commending Peter for his faith in making this confession. Interestingly enough, Verse 21 of this same chapter begins the time period of the Lord's ministry dealing with his rejection .
Patrick
Quote (glad tidings @ Feb. 05 2010,03:47) To All, “The Only Begotten Son” is a descriptive title not found of Jesus until some time after Pentacost (when the gospels and church epistles where written).
Patrick
PatrickI like to disagree with you because of this scripture.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Georg
Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks for your reply.
Yeah, I totally agree with you in regards to PS 2:7. The question is, did OT saints understand the full implications of that verse as you and I do (who have the spirit to guide us into all the truth). If the Apostles didn't (until Peter was enlightened in Matthew 16), it is doubtful too many in the OT did.
It's easy to understand the concept of “begetting” from a human to human standpoint (that is, the full effect of fatherhood upon a child from the embryonic stage to the time of full maturity) as it is in Proverbs 17:21; 23:24,
However, when one moves to the relational aspect of God to humans, the common Israelite understood this arrangement form the adoptive standpoint (as in Hosea 11:1) because this concept is intrinsic in the language of the Hebrew scriptures of the OT.
Blessings,
Patrick
Hi Patrick:
God revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter that Jesus is the only Begotten Son of the Living God and His Christ. For anyone who has the bible now, that revelation should be clear.
However, the Pharisees thought that he was Joseph's son, but Jesus through the following scriptures told them who he was:
Quote Mar 6:1 Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and His disciples followed Him.
Mar 6:2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands!
Mar 6:3 Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?” So they were offended at Him.
Mar 6:4 But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.”Quote Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them
Mat 22:42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, [“The] [Son] of David.”
Mat 22:43 He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying:
Mat 22:44 'The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” [fn] '?
Mat 22:45 If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?”
Mat 22:46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty,
Thanks for reminding me of Matthew 22. Yeah, those verses really point to his unique relationship with his Father, God , and his relationship to the Davidic throne – the True Heir.
Yeah, I think “Only Begotten” is an excellent translation of the Greek word, Monogenes. It truly is amazing when considering this whole thing. No other human in the history of the world was ever conceived in the womb the way Jesus was (nor will there ever be any other). Also, no other human had the kind of relationship with YHWH that Jesus did while he was here on earth. He truly was the (Only) “one-of-a-kind” person to ever live.
Ever since the resurrection and ascension, I believe Jesus has had a different begetting (different than the first one that commenced with his birth). The scriptures call him the First Born ( some Bibles say “First Begotten”) among many brethren.” This means that others will follow in the same pattern as what Jesus experienced when he was raised. This will happen during the time of his return (that will occasion the resurrection).
Blessings,
Pat
gladtiding
Ever since the resurrection and ascension, I believe Jesus has had a different begetting (different than the first one that commenced with his birth). The scriptures call him the First Born ( some Bibles say “First Begotten”) among many brethren.” This means that others will follow in the same pattern as what Jesus experienced when he was raised. This will happen during the time of his return (that will occasion the resurrection
Jesus said to is disciples that they will fallow him ,to be with him in heaven and sitting on his table,
even Rev;say on Christ throne with him.Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,07:29) What I believe scripture shows DID pre-exist, was a promise made by the Father to one day send a human savior.
But Jesus appears to differ with you.John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”NOTE: I am not saying that this is saying that Jesus is God, rather that Jesus said that he existed before Abraham was born,
If you come up with that lame excuse that Jesus existed in the Father's head before Abraham was born, then that means that you can I could go around saying “Before Abraham, I am”. Of course then because anyone could say it, why did Jesus say it? It would be like going around and saying, “I was born as a human” and everyone would go, “and what”. “We were all born as humans”.
And then you have to ask yourself why it was so offensive to the listeners. They appeared to understand it as Jesus being around before Abraham, as they questioned Jesus age saying that he was not yet 50 years old.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2010,11:15) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,07:29) What I believe scripture shows DID pre-exist, was a promise made by the Father to one day send a human savior.
But Jesus appears to differ with you.John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”NOTE: I am not saying that this is saying that Jesus is God, rather that Jesus said that he existed before Abraham was born,
If you come up with that lame excuse that Jesus existed in the Father's head before Abraham was born, then that means that you can I could go around saying “Before Abraham, I am”. Of course then because anyone could say it, why did Jesus say it? It would be like going around and saying, “I was born as a human” and everyone would go, “and what”. “We were all born as humans”.
And then you have to ask yourself why it was so offensive to the listeners. They appeared to understand it as Jesus being around before Abraham, as they questioned Jesus age saying that he was not yet 50 years old.
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died; whom dost thou make thyself?' 54 Jesus answered, `If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who is glorifying me, of whom ye say that He is your God; 55 and ye have not known Him, and I have known Him, and if I say that I have not known Him, I shall be like you — speaking falsely; but I have known Him, and His word I keep; 56 Abraham, your father, was glad that he might see my day; and he saw, and did rejoice.' 57 The Jews, therefore, said unto him, `Thou art not yet fifty years old, and Abraham hast thou seen?' 58 Jesus said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming — I am;' 59 they took up, therefore, stones that they may cast at him, but Jesus hid himself, and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.JESUS is the MAN who was PROMISED before time began to bring Eternal Salvation. Abraham was given by God the revelation of the COMING Christ, and he was glad to see the future day of Christ!! Jesus was declaring ” I AM” as in I am the CHRIST!! Jesus speaks of his glorification that his Father is giving him, this glory is the glory that existed before time began when God promised eternal salvation to HUMAN BEINGS!! EVEN BEFORE Abraham existed THESE PROMISES were made, BEFORE Abraham indeed the coming of Christ existed!! The men were not hearing Jesus as it is clearly obvious after their statement when Jesus told them that Abraham rejoiced to see his day. They had NO idea what he was talking about. There is NO fruit in the idea that Jesus was trying to assert that he pre-existed, he was asserting that he was the CHRIST.
No scripture states that God promised to send a pre-existent spirit son and have him morph into a human. God promised to one day send CHRIST, a MAN of FLESH that would be made perfect and bring salvation!!
John 4:23 but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.' 25 The woman saith to him, `I have known that Messiah doth come, who is called Christ, when that one may come, he will tell us all things;' 26 Jesus saith to her, `I am he, who am speaking to thee.'
John 4:23 but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'
John 3:1 And there was a man of the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a ruler of the Jews, 2 this one came unto him by night, and said to him, `Rabbi, we have known that from God thou hast come — a teacher, for no one these signs is able to do that thou dost, if God may not be with him.' 3 Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'
Jesus was BORN from above, or rather, BORN of God when the Holy Spirit descended upon him at the river Jordon!! When he was born from Mary’s womb he was born FLESH, and it was the Holy Spirit that caused Mary to be pregnant with a HUMAN child. When the Holy Spirit descended upon him at the river that was the DAY he was BORN of the Spirit.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, `How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?' 5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God; 6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above; 8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.' 9 Nicodemus answered and said to him, `How are these things able to happen?' 10 Jesus answered and said to him, `Thou art the teacher of Israel — and these things thou dost not know! 11 `Verily, verily, I say to thee — What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive; 12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe? 13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down – the Son of Man who is in the heaven.
Acts 10:38 Jesus who is from Nazareth — how God did anoint him with the Holy Spirit and power; who went through, doing good, and healing all those oppressed by the devil, because God was with him;
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
God MADE Jesus the MAN who knew no sin to be sin for us. God did not make some spirit son come be a human and die for us. The Son of MAN CAME, not a spirit son, but the PROMISE that was made to the fathers of a COMING MAN was fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth. Adam was a Son of God according to Luke 3, meaning he was created by God and that creation was of a natural man. Jesus also was a Son of God being created in Mary’s womb by God as a natural man. Unlike any other man before however Jesus at the river Jordon was BORN of the Spirit of God. Jesus at the river was born from heaven, having COME from God, and it was at this point he was SENT out to the world to begin the gospel. Being BORN of the Spirit is the renewing of the mind where God’s influences dominate over man’s, making men look like the idiots they are. Being born of the spirit is being BORN of the TRUTH!! No longer does God allow the deceit of the natural man to work over the mind of man.
Romans 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh, the things of the flesh do mind; and those according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit; 6 for the mind of the flesh is death, and the mind of the Spirit — life and peace; 7 because the mind of the flesh [is] enmity to God, for to the law of God it doth not subject itself, 8 for neither is it able; and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. 9 And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ — this one is not His; 10 and if Christ [is] in you, the body, indeed, [is] dead because of sin, and the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness, 11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. 12 So, then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh; 13 for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live; 14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God; 15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba — Father.' 16 The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; 17 and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ — if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory about to be revealed in us; 19 for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God; 20 for to vanity was the creation made subject — not of its will, but because of Him who did subject [it] — in hope, 21 that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God; 22 for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now. 23 And not only [so], but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting — the redemption of our body; 24 for in hope we were saved, and hope beheld is not hope; for what any one doth behold, why also doth he hope for [it]? 25 and if. what we do not behold we hope for, through continuance we expect [it]. 26 And, in like manner also, the Spirit doth help our weaknesses; for, what we may pray for, as it behoveth [us], we have not known, but the Spirit himself doth make intercession for us with groanings unutterable, 27 and He who is searching the hearts hath known what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because according to God he doth intercede for saints. 28 And we have known that to those loving God all things do work together for good, to those who are called according to purpose; 29 because whom He did foreknow, He also did fore-appoint, conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be first-born among many brethren; 30 and whom He did fore-appoint, these also He did call; and whom He did call, these also He declared righteous; and whom He declared righteous, these also He did glorify.
1 Corinthians 2:4 and my word and my preaching was not in persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power — 5 that your faith may not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 And wisdom we speak among the perfect, and wisdom not of this age, nor of the rulers of this age — of those becoming useless, 7 but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory, 8 which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified; 9 but, according as it hath been written, `What eye did not see, and ear did not hear, and upon the heart of man came not up,
what God did prepare for those loving Him –' 10 but to us did God reveal them through His Spirit, for the Spirit all things doth search, even the depths of God, 11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that is in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God. 12 And we the spirit of the world did not receive, but the Spirit that is of God, that we may know the things conferred by God on us, 13 which things also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Holy Spirit, with spiritual things spiritual things comparing, 14 and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them, because spiritually they are discerned; 15 and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned; 16 for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we — we have the mind of Christ.1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame. 35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain–perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
The human mind that has been BORN of the Spirit is what inherits the kingdom of God. Our flesh profits us nothing and therefore when we serve our flesh and blood we inherit death. Jesus was born as Adam being a son of God through being created by God as a Natural Man. At the river Jordon he became a Son according to the Spirit of God, which is entirely different!!
John 3:25 there arose then a question from the disciples of John with some Jews about purifying, 26 and they came unto John, and said to him, `Rabbi, he who was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou didst testify, lo, this one is baptizing, and all are coming unto him.' 27 John answered and said, `A man is not able to receive anything, if it may not have been given him from the heaven; 28 ye yourselves do testify to me that I said, I am not the Christ, but, that I am having been sent before him; 29 he who is having the bride is bridegroom, and the friend of the bridegroom, who is standing and hearing him, with joy doth rejoice because of the voice of the bridegroom; this, then, my joy hath been fulfilled. 30 `Him it behoveth to increase, and me to become less; 31 he who from above is coming is above all; he who is from the earth, from the earth he is, and from the earth he speaketh; he who from the heaven is coming is above all. 32 `And what he hath seen and heard this he doth testify, and his testimony none receiveth; 33 he who is receiving his testimony did seal that God is true; 34 for he whom God sent, the sayings of God he speaketh; for not by measure doth God give the Spirit; 35 the Father doth love the Son, and all things hath given into his hand; 36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'
Romans 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh, the things of the flesh do mind; and those according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit; 6 for the mind of the flesh is death, and the mind of the Spirit — life and peace; 7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity to God, for to the law of God it doth not subject itself, 8 for neither is it able; and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. 9 And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ — this one is not His; 10 and if Christ is in you, the body, indeed, is dead because of sin, and the Spirit is life because of righteousness, 11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. 12 So, then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh; 13 for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live; 14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God; 15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba — Father.' 16 The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; 17 and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ — if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together.
To be able to worship the Father in spirit and truth, which is what He desires, the Father must anoint man with His Spirit. Those that are led by the Spirit are Sons of God. Christ is the firstfruits of God's Spirit and is the first born of many brethren. This birth occurred at the river Jordon.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth
The Word that existed was God's Promise of one day anointing a man with His Spirit. This word became flesh the day Jesus was BORN of God at the river Jordon.
WHEN did Jesus BEGIN spreading the gospel? When did he begin teaching about repentance and the coming of the Kingdom of God?
At the river Jordon Jesus was begotten of the father being filled with grace and truth.
Matthew 16:27 For, the Son of Man is about to come in the glory of his Father, with his messengers, and then he will reward each, according to his work.
Jesus is coming in the glory of his Father because IN Jesus is the Spirit of the Father!! Jesus carries the glory of the Father IN him, for he was born of God having been born of His Spirit at the river Jordan.
CHRIST is COMING and he is coming IN THE FLESH. The MAN with incorruptible flesh who was anointed with God's Spirit is coming to save the world from sin, removing it and establishing God's authority.
The Son of God is identified NOT as a pre-existant spirit son, or the One True God, but the MAN ANOINTED with the Father's Spirit. CHRIST represents the MAN anointed with the Spirit, but so many people cover this truth with filth, focusing on the lie of pre-existence. God said he would SEND the CHRIST, scripture says the CHRIST was SENT. Complete lie IMO to say God SENT a spirit son.
Matthew 16:16 and Simon Peter answering said, `Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'
Matthew 26:63 and Jesus was silent. And the chief priest answering said to him, `I adjure thee, by the living God, that thou mayest say to us, if thou art the Christ — the Son of God.'
Mark 1:1 A beginning of the good news of Jesus Christ, Son of God.
John 6:69 and we have believed, and we have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'
John 11:27 believest thou this?' she saith to him, `Yes, sir, I have believed that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming to the world.'
John 20:31 and these have been written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye may have life in his name.'
Romans 1:4 who is marked out Son of God in power, according to the Spirit of sanctification, by the rising again from the dead,) Jesus Christ our Lord;
The Spirit that sanctified Jesus at the river Jordon marked him the Son of God, and the proof that Jesus was indeed the person anointed is BY his resurrection from the dead!!
Ephesians 4:13 till we may all come to the unity of the faith and of the recognition of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to a measure of stature of the fulness of the Christ,
The Son of God is NOT the One True God or a spirit son that became a human being for a while.
The Son of God IS a PERFECT MAN!! He is not some “spirit being”, but he is of FLESH and BONES!! He has a human BODY of incorruptible flesh as God chose to give him. He inherited eternal life not through following after his flesh (for flesh and blood cannot inherit us into salvation) but through follow the Spirit, and thus being spiritually minded, he became the heavenly man….the man OF God!!
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2010,00:10) gladtiding Ever since the resurrection and ascension, I believe Jesus has had a different begetting (different than the first one that commenced with his birth). The scriptures call him the First Born ( some Bibles say “First Begotten”) among many brethren.” This means that others will follow in the same pattern as what Jesus experienced when he was raised. This will happen during the time of his return (that will occasion the resurrection
Jesus said to is disciples that they will fallow him ,to be with him in heaven and sitting on his table,
even Rev;say on Christ throne with him.
terrariccaLet me ask you and all the rest; what is the difference in the words, “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” as they appear in
Hbr 11:17 ¶ By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.
referring to Isaac, born of Sarah as promised by God, and the same words as they apply to Jesus.
Hbr 1:5 ¶ For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hbr 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
As you know, these are not the only scriptures that speak of Jesus in that way. So why is “BEGOTTEN” given a different definition when it comes to the Son of God?
He is also the “first born” from the dead.Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Does “born” into this world have a different meaning than “born” from the dead? I mean, does the word “BORN” have two different meanings? or “BEGOTTEN”?
Actually, the resurrection of the saints will occur some time before he begins his reign.Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Do you know what “SETTING UP” means? did you ever have an orchestra come to town and perform in the park? did they not have to “SET UP” the stage, the speakers, the chairs, etc. first?
All the saints that will reign with Christ have to be first resurrected, and then trained for their position.
And yes, Christ is the “firstborn” from the dead among many brethren, so that in “ALL” things he may have the preeminence, but they will not go to heaven.Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
They had not worshiped “the beast”, referring to the Roman emperor; neither “the image”, referring to Antichrist/Pope. This also tells you the length of their persecution. The “mark” are the false doctrines of Antichrist.
Georg
georg
if i understand correctly;the difference would “his” this is say in the case of Abraham
not mention in the case of Jesus,it is understood that Christ was not the only son of God but the first one,and also the first to be accepted by god as is begotten son,what is not the case with the other sons of God,,God also is first to accept to be recognize as his father,as for the mark ,of the beast ,and the whore,Christ said to his father in a prayer the request to help his disciples because they are not part of the WORLD in any form.than to sustain daily live
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