Who is the only begotten son?

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:16)

Jodi What do you mean “Huh”? If God sent me to preach his Gospel then could I say… “I (Keith) came down from heaven to tell you about Jesus!“ And… “What and if you see me (Keith) ascend up to where I was before?“ Would the above statements be true? Jesus said… What and if ye shall see the Son of man “ascend up where he was before?“ John 6:62 Blessings WJ

Notice it says the SON of MAN ascended to where he was before, meaning where the Son of MAN was before.

Where was the Son of Man before?

2 Timothy 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,  9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

The Son of Man existed in the Plan of God.

The Son of Man came from God, the Son of Man therefore came down from heaven.

The Son of Man, Jesus, was the image of God. A spirit son was not the image of God, and Jesus was not the image of God because he was only in disguise but was really a spirit son. Jesus was the image of God for his character emulated God's character. A man was the image of God because a MAN expressed the character of God.

God SENT Jesus Christ, God did not send some immortal spirit son to become Jesus Christ.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,14:17)

Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi

Jodi

Yes you are right, I do disagree.

There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true.

In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you…

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“ Luke 1:35

There is something more than just a normal birth going on here!

Blessings WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,14:38)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:16) Jodi What do you mean “Huh”? If God sent me to preach his Gospel then could I say… “I (Keith) came down from heaven to tell you about Jesus!“ And… “What and if you see me (Keith) ascend up to where I was before?“ Would the above statements be true? Jesus said… What and if ye shall see the Son of man “ascend up where he was before?“ John 6:62 Blessings WJ Notice it says the SON of MAN ascended to where he was before, meaning where the Son of MAN was before. Where was the Son of Man before? 2 Timothy 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,  9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, The Son of Man existed in the Plan of God. The Son of Man came from God, the Son of Man therefore came down from heaven. The Son of Man, Jesus, was the image of God. A spirit son was not the image of God, and Jesus was not the image of God because he was only in disguise but was really a spirit son. Jesus was the image of God for his character emulated God's character. A man was the image of God because a MAN expressed the character of God. God SENT Jesus Christ, God did not send some immortal spirit son to become Jesus Christ.

Jodi

Nothing exist in a plan! That would be like me saying that I have a plan for a building and the building already exist in the plan!

What kind of reasoning is that?

If that is what you believe then have at it.

But Jesus does not give us any clue that what you are saying is true.

The key word is “Ascend”, which is in contrast to him saying that he came down from heaven, he did not ascend to where he was before if we take take your view.

He did not “Ascend” back to a plan of God that you say he descended from!

If you want to believe that, Oh well, that is your right!

Blessings WJ

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:45)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,14:17) Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi Jodi Yes you are right, I do disagree. There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true. In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you… And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“ Luke 1:35 There is something more than just a normal birth going on here! Blessings WJ

What do you mean there is NO biblical evidence? Did I make up the fact that scripture says of the Seed of David the Christ would come? Did I make up the fact that David was also promised that from his son Solomon an eternal throne would be made? Did I make up the fact scripture states that the descendant of Solomon, King Coniah, was told that no offspring of his would ever be allowed to sit as a King on David's throne? That curse as it is called, created a problem for the promise made to David regarding his son Solomon to be able to come true. However the virgin birth of Joseph's betrothed wife who was of the blood of David, sure fixes the problem!!

I do not disagree with the angel. I never said this was a normal birth. Since when does EVERY birth come about by the DIRECT WILL and PLAN of God?

Since when does EVERY birth come from a Promise that was established BEFORE TIME BEGAN?

WJ are you denying that Jesus was a human being? It sure sounds like it. Oh that's right you see him as a Wuzzle! The word holy means, SET APART, Jesus was indeed the human that was SET APART from the rest of us. Not because he was ALSO some immortal spirit son, but because he was foreordained as the first human to be ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:45)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,14:17) Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi Jodi Yes you are right, I do disagree. There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true. In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you… And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“Luke 1:35 There is something more than just a normal birth going on here! Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

Does NOT “The Son of GOD” here and in Matt.1:18 and Matt.1:20 mean: “The Son of HolySpirit”!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

Only passing through between you, excuse me…

Oh, by the way, this is the silliest discord I have yet heard…

…And, Gods thoughts are like an act. GOD does not think things that he does not do, God does not PLAN things that he does not execute. He has only DELAYED the final execution of his plan to allow as many as are drawn to him through Christ to be saved.

…Ok, I'm gone…

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:45) Jodi wrote: Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi Jodi Yes you are right, I do disagree. There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true. In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you… And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“ Luke 1:35 There is something more than just a normal birth going on here! Blessings WJ

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16)

What do you mean there is NO biblical evidence? Did I make up the fact that scripture says of the Seed of David the Christ would come? Did I make up the fact that David was also promised that from his son Solomon an eternal throne would be made? Did I make up the fact scripture states that the descendant of Solomon, King Coniah, was told that no offspring of his would ever be allowed to sit as a King on David's throne? That curse as it is called, created a problem for the promise made to David regarding his son Solomon to be able to come true. However the virgin birth of Joseph's betrothed wife who was of the blood of David, sure fixes the problem!!

Jodi

I agree with you that Jesus human ancestory was through Mary who was from the line of David.

But you say the Holy Spirit gave the male sperm, and you have no proof of that. The blood line is passed down through the male!

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16)

I do not disagree with the angel. I never said this was a normal birth. Since when does EVERY birth come about by the DIRECT WILL and PLAN of God? Since when does EVERY birth come from a Promise that was established BEFORE TIME BEGAN?

The Angel says nothing of a promise or plan, the Angel calls Jesus a “Holy Thing”, The scriptures tell us every child concieved was concieved in sin through Adam. Ps 51:5, Rom 5:12

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16)

WJ are you denying that Jesus was a human being? It sure sounds like it. Oh that's right you see him as a Wuzzle! The word holy means, SET APART, Jesus was indeed the human that was SET APART from the rest of us. Not because he was ALSO some immortal spirit son, but because he was foreordained as the first human to be ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus was born the Son of God and knew the Father as his Father before the Jordan, this much we know!

To be a Son of God you had to have a New Nature. Jesus was Holy before his birth and I believe he was without sin from his birth. Only the Son of God could be that!

If Jesus did not know the Father as his Father before the Jordan then how did he remain sinless until then?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2010,15:35)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:45) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,14:17) Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi Jodi Yes you are right, I do disagree. There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true. In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you… And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“Luke 1:35 There is something more than just a normal birth going on here! Blessings WJ Hi WJ, Does NOT “The Son of GOD” here and in Matt.1:18 and Matt.1:20 mean: “The Son of HolySpirit”! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

The short answer is no!

There is no scripture anywhere that calls Jesus the “Son of the Holy Spirit”!

The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception!

Jesus was not the Son of God by his conception but by declaration!

Blessings WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,08:19)

ED Jesus was not the Son of God by his conception but by declaration! Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

These words discount your earlier posts, and could
even be viewed as supporting Jodi Lee's assertions.

Ed J

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2010,16:39)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,08:19) ED Jesus was not the Son of God by his conception but by declaration! Blessings WJ Hi WJ, These words discount your earlier posts, and could even be viewed as supporting Jodi Lee's assertions. Ed J

Not so!

Jesus was concieved sinless, but the Angel says when he is born he will be called the Son of God!

Blessings WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,08:19)

ED The short answer is no! There is no scripture anywhere that calls Jesus the “Son of the Holy Spirit”! The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception! Jesus was not the Son of God by his conception but by declaration! Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

You seem to try to squeeze 'trinity doctrine' in at every turn?

How exactly did Jesus take place in his own conception?
1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding
profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Ed J

[Lightenup]

Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God.

Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son.

Kathi

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2010,16:49)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,08:19) ED The short answer is no! There is no scripture anywhere that calls Jesus the “Son of the Holy Spirit”! The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception! Jesus was not the Son of God by his conception but by declaration! Blessings WJ Hi WJ, You seem to try to squeeze 'trinity doctrine' in at every turn? How exactly did Jesus take place in his own conception? 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Ed J

ED

You ask me a question and then you assume that my answer is…

1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding
profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Are you willing to listen to answers before you make accusations and judgment?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2010,16:50)

Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi

Kathi

So you think he was a Son and then he was concieved a Son right?

Sounds like reincarnation to me!

Blessings WJ

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,08:50)

Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi

We will in fact be begotten by the Spirit as Jesus was, for the time being however Jesus is the ONLY one who has been begotten.

As previously mentioned scripture specifically declares Jesus as the only begotten Son of God on the day he was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the river Jordon.

Jesus being God's Son has NOTHING to do with him pre-existing, and everything to do with him being a human being who fully followed God's Will because God's Spirit was working in him.

[Lightenup]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2010,17:00)

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2010,16:50) Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi Kathi So you think he was a Son and then he was concieved a Son right? Sounds like reincarnation to me! Blessings WJ

Keith,
The Son of God existed in the beginning and actively laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the works of his hands.

See here where God is speaking to the Son in Hebrews:

10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT, 12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”

The Son of Man is different than the Son of God. The foundation of the earth was not laid by the Son of Man. The Son of God, thousands of years after the foundations of the earth were laid took on the flesh of the Son of Man.

Kathi

[942767]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 30 2010,09:07)

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,08:50) Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi We will in fact be begotten by the Spirit as Jesus was, for the time being however Jesus is the ONLY one who has been begotten. As previously mentioned scripture specifically declares Jesus as the only begotten Son of God on the day he was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the river Jordon. Jesus being God's Son has NOTHING to do with him pre-existing, and everything to do with him being a human being who fully followed God's Will because God's Spirit was working in him.

Hi Jodi and Kathi:

He is the “Only Begotten Son” in the womb of a woman. He was conceived by the Holy Ghost, and not by the sperm of man.

And he was born again from the dead when he died unto sin, and was raised again from the dead. This is also how we are born again. We were dead or separated from God because of sin. When we believed the gospel, and came to God with a repentant heart through the sacrifice of our Lord, God raised us from the dead by His Holy Spirit just as he raised Jesus from the dead. This is water baptism signifies.

As born again believers we are begotten of God in the spirit and not in the womb of a woman. By one Spirit we we were baptized into one body.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2010,17:29)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2010,17:00) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2010,16:50) Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi Kathi So you think he was a Son and then he was concieved a Son right? Sounds like reincarnation to me! Blessings WJ Keith, The Son of God existed in the beginning and actively laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the works of his hands. See here where God is speaking to the Son in Hebrews: 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT, 12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.” The Son of Man is different than the Son of God.  The foundation of the earth was not laid by the Son of Man.  The Son of God, thousands of years after the foundations of the earth were laid took on the flesh of the Son of Man. Kathi

Kathi

The President of the United States graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School, is a correct statement!

But he was not the President then, was he?

We agree that his being a Son of the Father was not based on the conception, but the scripture you mention does not call him the Son but Lord. Just as Barack Obama was not the President when he went to college.

There is no scriptures declaring Jesus to be the Son of God until after the incarnation!

So it is correct to say the Son of God was with the Father in the beginning, though he was not decreed to be the Son of God untill after his natural birth!

Blessings WJ

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,08:16)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,06:45) Jodi wrote: Just my two cents anyways. I know you'll completely disagree   Blessings to you,     Jodi Jodi Yes you are right, I do disagree. There is no Biblical evidence that your theory on the virgin birth is true. In fact the Angel seems to disagree with you… And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: “therefore also that **HOLY THING** which shall  **be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD**.“ Luke 1:35 There is something more than just a normal birth going on here! Blessings WJ Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16) What do you mean there is NO biblical evidence? Did I make up the fact that scripture says of the Seed of David the Christ would come? Did I make up the fact that David was also promised that from his son Solomon an eternal throne would be made? Did I make up the fact scripture states that the descendant of Solomon, King Coniah, was told that no offspring of his would ever be allowed to sit as a King on David's throne? That curse as it is called, created a problem for the promise made to David regarding his son Solomon to be able to come true. However the virgin birth of Joseph's betrothed wife who was of the blood of David, sure fixes the problem!! Jodi I agree with you that Jesus human ancestory was through Mary who was from the line of David. But you say the Holy Spirit gave the male sperm, and you have no proof of that. The blood line is passed down through the male! Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16) I do not disagree with the angel. I never said this was a normal birth. Since when does EVERY birth come about by the DIRECT WILL and PLAN of God? Since when does EVERY birth come from a Promise that was established BEFORE TIME BEGAN? The Angel says nothing of a promise or plan, the Angel calls Jesus a “Holy Thing”, The scriptures tell us every child concieved was concieved in sin through Adam. Ps 51:5, Rom 5:12 Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 29 2010,15:16) WJ are you denying that Jesus was a human being? It sure sounds like it. Oh that's right you see him as a Wuzzle! The word holy means, SET APART, Jesus was indeed the human that was SET APART from the rest of us. Not because he was ALSO some immortal spirit son, but because he was foreordained as the first human to be ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit. Jesus was born the Son of God and knew the Father as his Father before the Jordan, this much we know! To be a Son of God you had to have a New Nature. Jesus was Holy before his birth and I believe he was without sin from his birth. Only the Son of God could be that! If Jesus did not know the Father as his Father before the Jordan then how did he remain sinless until then? WJ

What do you mean I have NO proof that the Holy Spirit gave Mary a sperm?

Should that not be completely obvious? Mary is the biological mother of Jesus is she not? In order for that to occur Mary's egg would have needed to be fertilized by a HUMAN SPERM. If her egg was not fertilized by a human sperm, then how exactly did Jesus become a human?

Luke 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb………30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” 34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” 35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Luke 2:40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.

Jesus was the MAN of the promise of whom God said He would be a Father to.  Jesus was NOT a Son because he pre-existed as some immortal spirit son and that son was morphed into an embryo.

Both Mary and Elizabeth had children in their womb where the grace of the Holy Spirit was on them. Jesus grew up under this grace, and of course he grew up knowing that he was the man of the Promise. He fully knew that he would one day be the man of whom   Psalms 2:7 spoke of, “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.”

2 Peter 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

Hebrews 5: 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.“

It should be clear that the begetting of Jesus occurred at the river Jordon!! From that point Jesus became our Eternal High Priest.  He is a priest not FOR himself, but for his God and our God!!

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2010,09:42)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 30 2010,09:07) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,08:50) Ok, my opinion on this mess is, there wouldn't be so much confusion if the active voice of the Greek was understood by those who do not believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God. Also, if Jesus was merely proclaimed by God to be the Son of God then He would be one son of many and not the Only Begotten Son. Kathi We will in fact be begotten by the Spirit as Jesus was, for the time being however Jesus is the ONLY one who has been begotten. As previously mentioned scripture specifically declares Jesus as the only begotten Son of God on the day he was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the river Jordon. Jesus being God's Son has NOTHING to do with him pre-existing, and everything to do with him being a human being who fully followed God's Will because God's Spirit was working in him. Hi Jodi and Kathi: He is the “Only Begotten Son” in the womb of a woman.  He was conceived by the Holy Ghost, and not by the sperm of man. And he was born again from the dead when he died unto sin, and was raised again from the dead.  This is also how we are born again.  We were dead or separated from God because of sin.  When we believed the gospel, and came to God with a repentant heart through the sacrifice of our Lord, God raised us from the dead by His Holy Spirit just as he raised Jesus from the dead.  This is water baptism signifies. As born again believers we are begotten of God in the spirit and not in the womb of a woman.  By one Spirit we we were baptized into one body. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

I am a little confused by what you said, “He is the “Only Begotten Son” in the womb of a woman.  He was conceived by the Holy Ghost, and not by the sperm of man.”

My understanding is that the Holy Spirit as it caused Elizabeth to be pregnant with a human being it also caused Mary to be pregnant with a human being. A MAN did not fertilize Mary's womb with a human sperm, but the Holy Spirit did. How else could Jesus be Mary's biological child and be a human being if her egg was not fertilized?

As well, direct scripture shows that Jesus was begotten at the river Jordon. “TODAY I have begotten you”!! That was not the day Mary conceived but the DAY of the anointing. It seems evident to me that the begetting of Jesus, was in fact the same thing as his anointing, or rather the begetting was the begetting of the Holy Spirit.

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