Who is the Father

[JustAskin]

katjo,

Your question about Jesus being God Almighty are too many to answer.

Please re-read Rev 1:1 – 8:
The opening passages are a declaration of whom the revelation is about:
1:1 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him…”

Means: The Revelation spoken of by Christ, the revelation which God gave him …to show to his (Jesus') servants…

“and he (God) sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”

Means: God's angel will announce the message.

1:2 is a continuation of the above.

1:3 The angel is speaks the geinning of the message.

1:4 “…peace from Him which is, and which was, as which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;”

Means: “Him which is, and which was, as which is to come” is God almighty. It is He that sits on the throne (The Lamb, Jesus)
is amongst the throne – shown later) The Seven Spirits are teh Seven Spirits of the HOLY SPIRIT (of God the
almighty)

1:5 verse 4 continues here; “And From Jesus Christ …”
means: This verse qualifies the statment above – that it is God lmighty who is on the throne.

1:6 continuation of verse 5…

1:7 This verse is speaking of Jesus, the last person spoken of in the previous verses…

1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
the Almighty.”

Means: We have alread established who “is, was, is to come” is. This verse further qualifies God as the Almighty – the one from
whom the messages comes. God is closes his oration at this point (like a full stop.)
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There is a little bit of confusion over “Alpha and Omega” “First and Last” “Beginning and End”. To this date noone has figured out if there was some liberalness given in the transcripting as there are subtext claiming that some parts were not in the original (Greek) text. This aspect will be debated until kingdom come – Each will believe what each wants here…

Also with who is “Coming”. It seems to me that both God AND the Jesus say it at various times.

Hope this helps with the rest of the chapters.

[NickHassan]

Hi JA,
The problem with Revelation is that folks assume the sequencing is the same as any other book.
But many speakers including God and His son, John and angels provide the wisdom there and discernment is essential.

[JustAskin]

Katjo,

Hebrews 9:14 reads “How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!”

What is your reading and understanding of this verse.

Mine is this: Jesus gave his life and by means of the Holy Spirit (of God) [was raised back to life] and presented himslef unblemished to “The Living God” – God Almighty, so that those of us with cleansed consciences (Saved by salvation) may serve (Worship) the “Living God”.

Note: That we do not “Serve/Worship” Jesus – Only the “Living God”.

[Ed J]

Quote (katjo @ Jan. 26 2010,14:10)

Sorry to say but when you dont beleive in the trinity you ignore alot of scriptures, and I dont beleive your beleif about I AM at all. Can you prove that? katjo

Hi Katjo,

No matter how many verses I produce, you won't believe the truth unless the “HolySpirit” enlightens your mind.

Rom:10:17: So then faith cometh by hearing(HolySpirit on the inside),
and hearing by the word of God(HolySpirit on the outside).

1Tm:1:15: This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

This, I already know you will NOT fully accept.
Acceptation: acceptance, to take fully, approve, accept, receive.
The opposite is to 'reject'; which is what you will do!

God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (katjo @ Jan. 26 2010,14:25)

ED -1john 4;3,4, How do you get that meaning out of that?  Greater is He that is in you ( holy spirit)why did you put your name there??  ..He that is in the world, are people who want to be apart of the world,enstead of following God not (i am)that makes no sense to me. katjo

Hi Katjo,

Because the “holySpirit”(GOD) is in me. And He is greater, satan(i am) is not so great.
1Cor.1:27: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Ed J

[Anonymous]

JustAskin, I will post thi again, read it very carefully! You are taken Rev. wrong. And would you mind reading and responding to what I posted Nick on page 26, He cant seem to give a re-ply. READ ALL THIS PLEASE: Rev. 1:7 (NIV) “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.” Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes

(Rev 1:8 NIV) “”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus.
What is his name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.
(Rev 22:12 NIV) “”Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.”
(Rev 22:13 NIV) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Who gives rewards at his soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.
(Mat 16:27 NIV) “For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.”
Who is the Son of man that is coming in his Father's glory? Verse 27, it is The Son of Man, (Jesus). Compare with the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God Almighty that is coming and was pierced, in Rev. 1: 7,8.
(Rev 22:20 NIV) “He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.”
Who is coming soon? the Lord Jesus. Compare Rev. 22: 12,13 as the Alpha and Omega

KATJO

[Worshipping Jesus]

JA

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,13:25)

Note: That we do not “Serve/Worship” Jesus – Only the “Living God”.

You do not serve Jesus? So Jesus is not your only Lord and master?

That is very telling if it is so!

WJ

[JustAskin]

Katjo,

The information you present is far too much for anyone in here to respond to in the way you would like.

I have studied Revelations over and over (as many others have) and I did say in another post that the way to do it in here is for a LINE BY LINE examination with supporting comments, verses and passages.

This way, we can all see where each thing fits. this would have to be in a separate Post e.g.”Examining Revelation”
In there – no angry arguments – just What I think this means – what you tink it means and then move on

What do you think for that?

[NickHassan]

Hi KAT,
Trying to teach from inferences you think you found in scripture is unwise.
God is a plain speaker and He reaches the hearts of children.
Mystery Babylon is not of Him.

[JustAskin]

Wj,

Serve/Worship:
I do not Worship Christ.
I Praise, Honor, Glorify, Revere Jesus Christ
I Worship Almighty God and Him alone.

Worship is for God alone – by whom all things are – therefore give back to him that gave unto us:
Praise, honor and Glory etc, to christ.
Praise, honor and Glory etc, and Worship to God Almighty.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,15:15)

Wj, Serve/Worship: I do not Worship Christ. I Praise, Honor, Glorify, Revere Jesus Christ I Worship Almighty God and Him alone. Worship is for God alone – by whom all things are – therefore give back to him that gave unto us: Praise, honor and Glory etc, to christ. Praise, honor and Glory etc, and Worship to God Almighty.

JA

Matt 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped (Proskuneo) him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matt 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped (Proskuneo) him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matt 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped (Proskuneo) him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matt 15:25
Then came she and worshipped (Proskuneo) him, saying, Lord, help me.

Matt 20:20
Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping (Proskuneo) him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

Matt 28:9
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped (Proskuneo) him.

Mk 5:6
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped (Proskuneo) him,

Lk 24:52
And they worshipped (Proskuneo) him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Jn 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped (Proskuneo) him.

Notice all the “Worship” (Proskuneo) being given to Yeshua.

This word is never used in worship to any other by the Followers of Christ other than the Father and Jesus!

Yet not once can you find Yeshua saying “dont worship me worship God”.

The Amazing thing is, Yeshua even uses the same word “Proskeneo” in Jn 4 in telling us to worship the Father in Spirit and in truth.

God is a Spirit: and they that “worship (Proskuneo)” him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  John 4:24

How do you explain Jesus not ever rebuking or correcting the people for practicing the same “worship (Proskuneo)” that he said was to be to the Father?

WJ

[JustAskin]

Katjo,

I don't know why you want me to answer for a question you put to Nick but what I do think is that you put to much credit towards what Jesus did and said and not enough towards what the Almighty did through Jesus.

My view is that Satan is wanting us to Worship Jesus because he couldn't get mankind to do it to him.

By making it seem that Jesus – alone – did the things he did we get all gooey and sympathetic to the point that we say:
“Ah, give the lad the credit, eeh-up, the lad did good!”

However, Jesus himself said:
“By myself I can do nothing – it is by the will (Holy Spirit) of the father that I do these things” (my paraphrase)

While it is obvious that Jesus should be glorified, praised, honored, etc, for what he has done, the final credit (Worship) goes to HIM from which the Power, Authority and Will originated – the Lord God Almighty.

Is the servant to be worshipped with the master? No, By Any Means!

One thing that is sadly lacking in these posting is the fact that it is Satan that is causing the divisions between us – It is all to obvious (to me) that that is [one of] his plans:
Divide and Rule,
Separate the father from the son
Elevate the Son above the Father (yes, this is what is being done, subtely)

“GOD” created the heavens and the Earth…
“Jesus, THROUGH WHOM, the heavens and the Earth were made…”
Who then says “Jesus created the Heavens and the Earth” when standing in the presence of “God”, when in the Spirit of God – the “Spirit of Truth”
Context: Yes Jesus 'helped by virtue of being the CHIEF ENGINEER' but he by no means was the Designer nor the originator of the plan.
Every though of God is like an act. God does not think things that he does not do (That is why he says that a man that looks lustfully – in thought – upon a woman not his wife is guilty of adultory even if he does not physically touch her (Guys – we're doomed!!))

Did not even angel help in the execution of God's creation plan – yes, even that wiley One, Satan!! He was a Chief Engineer also!

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Jesus taught about the worship the Father wants in Jn4.
The Father is his God and our God.[Jn20]

Why would you try to trump his words with your offerings?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,16:04)

Hi WJ, Jesus taught about the worship the Father wants in Jn4. The Father is his God and our God.[Jn20] Why would you try to trump his words with your offerings?

The majority of what I wrote was scriptures!

What part of the scriptures do you not believe?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Men manipulate and misuse scripture frequently.
It is very malleable.

If the Father is not your God and Jesus not your Lord are you one of US?[1Cor8]

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,16:52)

Hi WJ, Men manipulate and misuse scripture frequently. It is very malleable. If the Father is not your God and Jesus not your Lord are you one of US?[1Cor8]

The Father is my God and Jesus is my Only Lord and Master my Great God and Savour!

But no I am not one of you!

You serve a different Jesus!

WJ

[942767]

Hi WJ:

You say:

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This word is never used in worship to any other by the Followers of Christ other than the Father and Jesus!

What about the following scriptures?

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Rev 3:7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, 'These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: [fn] Rev 3:8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; [fn] for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. Rev 3:9 Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie–indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 26 2010,17:42)

Hi WJ: You say: Quote This word is never used in worship to any other by the Followers of Christ other than the Father and Jesus! What about the following scriptures? . Quote Rev 3:7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, 'These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: [fn] Rev 3:8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; [fn] for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. Rev 3:9 Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie–indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Nice try!

Notice that they come to worship “at their feet” not to worship them.

Seriously, do you think that Jesus is saying that they were to worship his people?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Quite so.
We serve the Lord Jesus of the bible, the Son of God.

Your trinity god is very strange.

[Anonymous]

GOD BLESS YOU W.J.!! Im glad you stepped in, too many people want to deny so many scriptures, and cant even give a explanation!

katjo

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