Who is the bride of Christ.

[942767]

Hi Pierre:

You say:

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now the above scripture talks about whom again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem ,

Where does the scripture state that the “144k the bride of Christ”? Please post the scripture that states it that way.

Thanks,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,07:56)

Hi Pierre: You say: Quote now the above scripture talks about whom  again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem , Where does the scripture state that the “144k  the bride of Christ”?  Please post the scripture that states it that way. Thanks, Marty

Marty

REV 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
REV 21:11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.
REV 21:12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel.
REV 21:13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west.
REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

sorry but “new Jerusalem” was mine ,I assume this to be new because it is not the old (earthly one )

but the above scriptures talks about an new Jerusalem or an heavenly Jerusalem or the city of God , don't you think

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,13:06)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,07:56) Hi Pierre: You say: Quote now the above scripture talks about whom  again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem , Where does the scripture state that the “144k  the bride of Christ”?  Please post the scripture that states it that way. Thanks, Marty Marty REV 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, REV 21:11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. REV 21:12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. REV 21:13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. sorry but “new Jerusalem” was  mine  ,I assume this to be new because it is not the old (earthly one ) but the above scriptures talks about an new Jerusalem or an heavenly Jerusalem or the city of God , don't you think

Hi Pierre:

That was not what I was questioning. But you added that the bride of Christ is the 144K. The scripture does not say that.

The bride of Christ is the whole body of Christ including the 144k.

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Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

In the following verses of scripture, a marriage relationship between a husband and a wife is compared to Christ as the husband of the church.

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Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

I agree; it is christ and *HIS* church.
*His church* is the *doctrine* of God,that produces children,like a woman does.

A corrupt church is not christs church,but claiming to be
Christs church.

wakeup.

[942767]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,12:06)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,10:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04) Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup. No, I disagree: One is born again when receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  To be born again is to be raised from a spiritual death or separation from God. Here is the scripture, again: Quote Rom 8:9   But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.   Rom 8:10   And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.   Rom 8:11   But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Quote Act 2:37   Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?   Act 2:38   Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Act 2:39   For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.   As Christians we will receive a spiritual body when the Lord comes for the church, but if we died a physical death as Christians, we did not die spiritually separated from God. Quote 1Cr 15:51   Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,   1Cr 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.   1Cr 15:53   For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.   1Cr 15:54   So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.   1Cr 15:55   O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?   1Cr 15:56   The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.   1Cr 15:57   But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ Love in Christ, Marty Marty. We can only be born again once. 1.born of water. our birth out of mothers belly.flesh. 2.born again. born out of Zion. spirit. There is no third. Babtism of the holy spirit is not the same as babtised with water. This only God decides who will receive the Holy spirit. The apostles were babtised with water first, and babtised with the Holy spirit later;at pantecost. wakeup. Anyone can be babtised with water.

Hi Wakeup:

It is true that we can only be born again once, but Jesus states except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

He is not speaking of water baptism here. Water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the gospel and has repented, and is symbolic of ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.

If someone has not believed or repented, water baptism does not mean anything. There has been no change in someone who is baptized in this state. He goes in to the baptismal a dry sinner and comes up a wet sinner.

Jesus is speaking of living water which is the Word of God. It is through His Word that we can have life.

Maybe the following scripture will help:

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1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Spirit, and anyone who believes the gospel with a repentant heart will receive the Holy Spirit.

Some may receive the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water, and some may receive it after. It does not happen the same way for every one.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

I agree,but remember we are still in the flesh,until the change comes.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04)

Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

“Born Again” means born of the spirit of God, not resurrection.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,08:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,13:06) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,07:56) Hi Pierre: You say: Quote now the above scripture talks about whom  again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem , Where does the scripture state that the “144k  the bride of Christ”?  Please post the scripture that states it that way. Thanks, Marty Marty REV 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, REV 21:11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. REV 21:12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. REV 21:13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. sorry but “new Jerusalem” was  mine  ,I assume this to be new because it is not the old (earthly one ) but the above scriptures talks about an new Jerusalem or an heavenly Jerusalem or the city of God , don't you think Hi Pierre: That was not what I was questioning.  But you added that the bride of Christ is the 144K.  The scripture does not say that. The bride of Christ is the whole body of Christ including the 144k. Quote Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. In the following verses of scripture, a marriage relationship between a husband and a wife is compared to Christ as the husband of the church. Quote Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

who are the 144k

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

JAS 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,

Paul talks about three positions 1) Christ  2) first fruits 3) those who are in Christ

we know who his Christ and according to scriptures we know that the first fruits are the 144k also called first fruits in REV 14;4

this is also notice in ;MT 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

in this verse it talks about the new Jerusalem is it the city or the temple that is represented here ,to me it seems more like the living temple were God dwells in ,that comes down from heaven, and so who else was granted to live in heaven except the 144k

COL 1:18 He is also head of the body, the ASSEMBLY; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
COL 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the ASSEMBLY(FIRST FRUITS),

Eph 1:21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.
Eph 1:22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the ASSEMBLY, (Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men)

THIS VERSE SHOWS THE KING (Christ ) FOLLOWED BY HIS COURT (144K)

Eph 1:23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

WHO ARE THE 144K  all those that are chosen sins the foundation of the earth ,

who are these ;
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Sal
vation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

this great multitude is not with Christ and have not been redeemed from the earth ,notice John says AND THERE BEFORE ME WAS A … why would he say that ” BEFORE HIM”” because he was not part of that group for he is with the 144k , and so sit with Christ in authority or thrones ,

Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
the fact that the great crowed has ;and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Mt 21:8 A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, while others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road.
Mt 21:9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted,
“Hosanna(save) to the Son of David!”

Jn 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
“Hosanna!’”

“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”

“Blessed is the King of Israel!”

Lk 19:37 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:
Lk 19:38 “Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!”

“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”

two calls ;

Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me(1) heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And(2) if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

one =144k in heaven

one =great crowed on earth

but all in Christ

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,09:05)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04) Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, “Born Again” means born of the spirit of God, not resurrection. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Jesus is the first born of the dead,and he was made spirit.
The changing into spirit only will happen in the resurrection.
Not by submerging in water.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2013,11:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,09:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04) Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, “Born Again” means born of the spirit of God, not resurrection. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Jesus is the first born of the dead,and he was made spirit. The changing into spirit only will happen in the resurrection. Not by submerging in water. wakeup.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,06:34)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2013,11:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,09:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04) Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, “Born Again” means born of the spirit of God, not resurrection. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Jesus is the first born of the dead,and he was made spirit. The changing into spirit only will happen in the resurrection. Not by submerging in water. wakeup. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Edj

this is the part of Paul verse that many do not understand or want not see it ;
“by his Spirit that dwelleth in you,”

[Wakeup]

If the Holy spirit dwells in a person;does he change into spirit?
When the dove came down in Jesus; did he change into spirit? y/n.

Dont have to answer if you dont want.
I am used to that kind of behaviour.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 30 2012,18:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,13:06) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,07:56) Hi Pierre: You say: Quote now the above scripture talks about whom  again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem , Where does the scripture state that the “144k  the bride of Christ”?  Please post the scripture that states it that way. Thanks, Marty Marty REV 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, REV 21:11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. REV 21:12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. REV 21:13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. sorry but “new Jerusalem” was  mine  ,I assume this to be new because it is not the old (earthly one ) but the above scriptures talks about an new Jerusalem or an heavenly Jerusalem or the city of God , don't you think Hi Pierre: That was not what I was questioning.  But you added that the bride of Christ is the 144K.  The scripture does not say that. The bride of Christ is the whole body of Christ including the 144k. Quote Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. In the following verses of scripture, a marriage relationship between a husband and a wife is compared to Christ as the husband of the church. Quote Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi,

Matt. 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.

13:37 He answered and said to them: He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.

13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one,

13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the REAPERS are the angels.

13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

13:41 The Son of Man will send out HIS ANGELS, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness.

13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

13:43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Rev. 14:1 And I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having his Fathers name written on their foreheads.

14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

14:14 And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat one like the Son of Man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp Sickle.

14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, Thrust in your Sickle and REAP, for the time has come for you to REAP, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

14:16 So he who sat on the cloud thrust in his Sickle on the earth, and the earth was REAPED.

14:17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp Sickle.

14:18 And another angel came out of the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp Sickle, saying Thrust in your sharp Sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.

14:19 So the angel thrust his Sickle into the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

14:20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.

Matt. 13:43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear let him hear!

1Cor.15:24 Then comes the end, when he ( Christ ) delivers the Kingdom to the God and Father, when he puts an end to all rule and all authority and
power.

1Cor.15:28 Now when all things are made subject to him, then the Son himself will be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Rev.21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

21:23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and the lamp of it the Lamb.

22:3 And there will be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it.

22:4 They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.

22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of the lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them, and they will reign Forever and ever

They will not have need of the light of the lamp.

They will not have need of the GLORY OF THE LAMB.

Peace……

[Wakeup]

Abe.

QUOTE:
13:37 He answered and said to them: He who sows the GOOD seed is the Son of Man.
UNQUOTE.

And the good *SEED* IS THE SON OF MAN. This is Jesus.
And the apostles carried on the seeding.

And the seed that grows on good soil will be harvested at the coming and stored in the barn. These will be the children in the kingdom coming.

We are the children of God ,and not his bride.Children comes out of the seed. the seed dont produce a bride. The bride is Gods Doctrine/true church. Jesus was born of this woman also.Rev.12. the woman with the 12 stars as a crown on her head.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,07:46)

Abe.                                QUOTE: 13:37  He answered and said to them: He who sows the GOOD seed is the Son of Man.                                 UNQUOTE. And the good *SEED* IS THE SON OF MAN. This is Jesus. And the apostles carried on the seeding. And the seed that grows on good soil will be harvested at the coming and stored in the barn. These will be the children in the kingdom coming. We are the children of God ,and not his bride.Children comes out of the seed. the seed dont produce a bride. The bride is Gods Doctrine/true church. Jesus was born of this woman also.Rev.12. the woman with the 12 stars as a crown on her head. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

And the seed that grows on good soil will be harvested at the coming and stored in the barn?

What is the barn??

Peace brother.

[2besee]

lol, stored in the barn? Yes, Wakeup, what do you mean by that?
Sorry just passing through.

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Jan. 05 2013,10:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,07:46) Abe.                                QUOTE: 13:37  He answered and said to them: He who sows the GOOD seed is the Son of Man.                                 UNQUOTE. And the good *SEED* IS THE SON OF MAN. This is Jesus. And the apostles carried on the seeding. And the seed that grows on good soil will be harvested at the coming and stored in the barn. These will be the children in the kingdom coming. We are the children of God ,and not his bride.Children comes out of the seed. the seed dont produce a bride. The bride is Gods Doctrine/true church. Jesus was born of this woman also.Rev.12. the woman with the 12 stars as a crown on her head. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, And the seed that grows on good soil will be harvested at the coming and stored in the barn? What is the barn?? Peace brother.

Abe.

matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,13:14) Hi Wakeup, I believe I have answered this twice in two different threads now. So then after I answer it here now, you better start another thread. (Rev.21:9-10) “Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Sooner or later someone will give you the answer you want, right?

EDJ.

Sooner or later someone will see the scriptures,and will see. Not my own doctrine.
I am just leading them through the scriptures the right way. They have been lead away for too long.

wakeup.

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terraricca,Jan. wrote:

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Pierre,

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Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. this is the part of Paul verse that many do not understand or want not see it ; “by his Spirit that dwelleth in you,”

Friend, I am sorry, but it is you who do not see what you are quoting.
Learn to break it down so as to hear what our Lord is saying.

“But if the Spirit of Him” (the Father's inner Spirit…Holy Spirit)
“That raised up Jesus from the dead” (by that same Holy Spirit)
“Dwell in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus)
“He that raised up Christ from the dead” (the Father)
“Shall also quicken” (also resurrect & change you like He did Jesus)
“Your mortal bodies” (into Spirit like Christ's)
“By His Spirit” (the Father's Holy Spirit)
“That dwelleth in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus)

This is about using the Spirit within us to raise us & change us.
Not our souls, but the Spirit that becomes one with our soul.
That Spirit mingles with our souls creating a unique spirit.
No longer just a living soul like Adam, but now, by that Spirit indwelling, a living Spirit inside awaiting birth as a new creature in a new form like unto the angels.
And if that Spirit is not in us, becoming one with us as it did with Jesus, then we can not be raised new creatures by that same Spirit within us which came from within the Father Himself.
We would just be living souls like any other non believer with no spark of life to speak of.
The Spirit is the LIFE.
We NEED that LIFE growing within us or we are just like an embryo with no cells…a lifeless thing.
You do not resurrect a Spiritless soul…an empty soul.
It can be restored to what it was…flesh…like the sons of Adam, living souls, but never into a new eternal Spirit creature UNLESS that LIVING Spirit which is the LIFE is present.

[terraricca]

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terraricca,Jan. wrote: [/quote] Pierre, Quote Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. this is the part of Paul verse that many do not understand or want not see it ; “by his Spirit that dwelleth in you,” Friend, I am sorry, but it is you who do not see what you are quoting. Learn to break it down so as to hear what our Lord is saying. “But if the Spirit of Him” (the Father's inner Spirit…Holy Spirit) “That raised up Jesus from the dead” (by that same Holy Spirit) “Dwell in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus) “He that raised up Christ from the dead” (the Father) “Shall also quicken” (also resurrect & change you like He did Jesus) “Your mortal bodies” (into Spirit like Christ's) “By His Spirit” (the Father's Holy Spirit) “That dwelleth in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus) This is about using the Spirit within us to raise us & change us. Not our souls, but the Spirit that becomes one with our soul. That Spirit mingles with our souls creating a unique spirit. No longer just a living soul like Adam, but now, by that Spirit indwelling, a living Spirit inside awaiting birth as a new creature in a new form like unto the angels. And if that Spirit is not in us, becoming one with us as it did with Jesus, then we can not be raised new creatures by that same Spirit within us which came from within the Father Himself. We would just be living souls like any other non believer with no spark of life to speak of. The Spirit is the LIFE. We NEED that LIFE growing within us or we are just like an embryo with no cells…a lifeless thing. You do not resurrect a Spiritless soul…an empty soul. It can be restored to what it was…flesh…like the sons of Adam, living souls, but never into a new eternal Spirit creature UNLESS that LIVING Spirit which is the LIFE is present.

devo

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Friend, I am sorry, but it is you who do not see what you are quoting. Learn to break it down so as to hear what our Lord is saying. “But if the Spirit of Him” (the Father's inner Spirit…Holy Spirit) “That raised up Jesus from the dead” (by that same Holy Spirit) “Dwell in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus) “He that raised up Christ from the dead” (the Father) “Shall also quicken” (also resurrect & change you like He did Jesus) “Your mortal bodies” (into Spirit like Christ's) “By His Spirit” (the Father's Holy Spirit) “That dwelleth in you” (as it dwelt in Jesus)

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Learn to break it down so as to hear what our Lord is saying.

yes let 's do just that but in truth ;

1)”But if the Spirit of Him” my understanding; the knowledge active in doing Gods will (submission to God).
Ro 8:10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.

2)”That raised up Jesus from the dead” My understanding ;

Ro 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
that spirit is the submission to God until dead just as in Christ

3)”By His Spirit” My understanding; the Father's will
“That dwelleth in you” as it dwelt in Jesus” My understanding ;the same spirit of willingly submit to the father .

Ro 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it.
Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Ro 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit(will of God) of God are sons of God.

see and understand;Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

well I leave it to you now ,

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