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you too do not answer the question ,or do you mean that all human that are resurrected are being resurrected in heaven
Terra,
No, that wasn't what i was saying.
Because the rest of the resurrected saints (besides the 144000) will be resurrected from within the earth (from within earths atmosphere) & those still alive will be changed in the twinkling of an eye & both will together meet Christ in the clouds…the clouds are in earths atmosphere also.None of us have ever said that the rest of the saints will be resurrected in heaven at the coming.
Does that answer you?
Cheers.
But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. This includes heaven. Just because one is resurrected in the clouds, does not mean he cannot travel to heaven and back. For we will be like the angels. Spirit, traveling here and there, to heaven and back, but with a specific job to do here on earth with Christ. Not just the 144,000, but all the rest of the saints also. Some will shine brighter than others, but all will have the same promise and same inheritance.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2012,03:04) But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. This includes heaven. Just because one is resurrected in the clouds, does not mean he cannot travel to heaven and back. For we will be like the angels. Spirit, traveling here and there, to heaven and back, but with a specific job to do here on earth with Christ. Not just the 144,000, but all the rest of the saints also. Some will shine brighter than others, but all will have the same promise and same inheritance.
Exactly J,I was going to mention that, but didn't bother.
Once we are spirit, we can travel to heaven too, just like the angels.Cheers.
Hi Pierrre:
You are adding the word “only” to the scripture which states:
Quote And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth The scripture does not say that they are the “only ones” redeemed from the earth. It states that they are the only ones redeemed from the earth who could learn the new song.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Devolution @ Dec. 25 2012,17:44) Quote devo
you too do not answer the question ,or do you mean that all human that are resurrected are being resurrected in heavenTerra,
No, that wasn't what i was saying.
Because the rest of the resurrected saints (besides the 144000) will be resurrected from within the earth (from within earths atmosphere) & those still alive will be changed in the twinkling of an eye & both will together meet Christ in the clouds…the clouds are in earths atmosphere also.None of us have ever said that the rest of the saints will be resurrected in heaven at the coming.
Does that answer you?
Cheers.
NO,because ,you did not present any scriptures to support your view
so it is your opinion,in your answer it make clear that you do not know ,
in my bible their are only two possibilities 1) called to become part of Christ body mean Christ bride ,(remember that wen you marry the two become one )
2) any other believer lives on earth (new earth and new heaven)
THE ONCE THAT ARE CHANGED IN A INSTANT ARE THE REMAINING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST ,NOT ANY OTHER ,ONLY THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THE 144K REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH,REV;7 AND 14
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 25 2012,23:07) Hi Pierrre: You are adding the word “only” to the scripture which states:
Quote And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth The scripture does not say that they are the “only ones” redeemed from the earth. It states that they are the only ones redeemed from the earth who could learn the new song.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martydisregard “only” is then what scriptures says open to ALL
and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2012,22:04) But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. This includes heaven. Just because one is resurrected in the clouds, does not mean he cannot travel to heaven and back. For we will be like the angels. Spirit, traveling here and there, to heaven and back, but with a specific job to do here on earth with Christ. Not just the 144,000, but all the rest of the saints also. Some will shine brighter than others, but all will have the same promise and same inheritance. Quote But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. you have strange believes ,and it seems to me you do not understand Christ words ,but dreams are only dreams
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:25) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2012,22:04) But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. This includes heaven. Just because one is resurrected in the clouds, does not mean he cannot travel to heaven and back. For we will be like the angels. Spirit, traveling here and there, to heaven and back, but with a specific job to do here on earth with Christ. Not just the 144,000, but all the rest of the saints also. Some will shine brighter than others, but all will have the same promise and same inheritance. Quote But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. you have strange believes ,and it seems to me you do not understand Christ words ,but dreams are only dreams
Terra.Please dont answer this question with another question,because it is a simple question.
Question:
If we are the bride of Christ ,as you believe.
Then who are the children of Christ??wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,04:04) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:25) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2012,22:04) But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. This includes heaven. Just because one is resurrected in the clouds, does not mean he cannot travel to heaven and back. For we will be like the angels. Spirit, traveling here and there, to heaven and back, but with a specific job to do here on earth with Christ. Not just the 144,000, but all the rest of the saints also. Some will shine brighter than others, but all will have the same promise and same inheritance. Quote But when one is resurrected, one inherits all that belongs to the Father. you have strange believes ,and it seems to me you do not understand Christ words ,but dreams are only dreams
Terra.Please dont answer this question with another question,because it is a simple question.
Question:
If we are the bride of Christ ,as you believe.
Then who are the children of Christ??wakeup.
why are you saying that we are the brideI am not ,one of the 144k so I am not part of the bride or the body of Christ
what I have said before is that 'WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE GROOM AND HIS BRIDE “
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:12) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 25 2012,17:44) Quote devo
you too do not answer the question ,or do you mean that all human that are resurrected are being resurrected in heavenTerra,
No, that wasn't what i was saying.
Because the rest of the resurrected saints (besides the 144000) will be resurrected from within the earth (from within earths atmosphere) & those still alive will be changed in the twinkling of an eye & both will together meet Christ in the clouds…the clouds are in earths atmosphere also.None of us have ever said that the rest of the saints will be resurrected in heaven at the coming.
Does that answer you?
Cheers.
NO,because ,you did not present any scriptures to support your view
so it is your opinion,in your answer it make clear that you do not know ,
in my bible their are only two possibilities 1) called to become part of Christ body mean Christ bride ,(remember that wen you marry the two become one )
2) any other believer lives on earth (new earth and new heaven)
THE ONCE THAT ARE CHANGED IN A INSTANT ARE THE REMAINING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST ,NOT ANY OTHER ,ONLY THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THE 144K REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH,REV;7 AND 14
Oh boy!!What, you NEED me to quote something you SHOULD know by now??
EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW that when Christ appears IN THE CLOUDS, that the dead will be RAISED up to Him & the LIVING changed and taken up to Him IN THE CLOUDS too.
HELLO….HELLO….that all takes place here on earth!!
This is the BASICS.
THAT is what you were ASKING me: IF the saints were resurrected IN heaven!!
NO THEY ARE NOT.So how is that wrong?
It's not.Debate honestly please.
Stop the games…you're being intellectually dishonest.
Very un Christian.Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,06:04) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:12) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 25 2012,17:44) Quote devo
you too do not answer the question ,or do you mean that all human that are resurrected are being resurrected in heavenTerra,
No, that wasn't what i was saying.
Because the rest of the resurrected saints (besides the 144000) will be resurrected from within the earth (from within earths atmosphere) & those still alive will be changed in the twinkling of an eye & both will together meet Christ in the clouds…the clouds are in earths atmosphere also.None of us have ever said that the rest of the saints will be resurrected in heaven at the coming.
Does that answer you?
Cheers.
NO,because ,you did not present any scriptures to support your view
so it is your opinion,in your answer it make clear that you do not know ,
in my bible their are only two possibilities 1) called to become part of Christ body mean Christ bride ,(remember that wen you marry the two become one )
2) any other believer lives on earth (new earth and new heaven)
THE ONCE THAT ARE CHANGED IN A INSTANT ARE THE REMAINING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST ,NOT ANY OTHER ,ONLY THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THE 144K REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH,REV;7 AND 14
Oh boy!!What, you NEED me to quote something you SHOULD know by now??
EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW that when Christ appears IN THE CLOUDS, that the dead will be RAISED up to Him & the LIVING changed and taken up to Him IN THE CLOUDS too.
HELLO….HELLO….that all takes place here on earth!!
This is the BASICS.
THAT is what you were ASKING me: IF the saints were resurrected IN heaven!!
NO THEY ARE NOT.So how is that wrong?
It's not.Debate honestly please.
Stop the games…you're being intellectually dishonest.
Very un Christian.
devothe point is not that i know or not know ;the point for me to answer your question is for me to understand what you are asking according to the scriptures ,
if you can not do that ,so be it ,don't feel bad ,
Quote THAT is what you were ASKING me: IF the saints were resurrected IN heaven!!
NO THEY ARE NOT.MK 14:25 “Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Mt 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Lk 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk 22:16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
Lk 22:17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you.
Lk 22:18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
Lk 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
Lk 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.Lk 22:25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors.
Lk 22:26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
Lk 22:27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
Lk 22:28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.
Lk 22:29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
Lk 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.Jn 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
Jn 15:2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
Jn 15:3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
Jn 15:4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me” heavenward “in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been” redeemed “from the earth.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride (144k)beautifully dressed for her husband.(Christ)
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”so the new Jerusalem (what his the bride ) comes down from heaven to be married all of us that have received an invitation and have accepted that invitation will be there on earth (new earth)
Terra.
You are posting scripture after scripture,just to cover up your lack of knowledge.
Thats fine, but the worst thing is that you are not honest.
You act humble, but inside, is the spirit of pride.And you are good at avoiding questions; or answering a question with a question.
Do anything to hide,and why do you have to hide?
Is it because you are naked?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,07:54) Terra. You are posting scripture after scripture,just to cover up your lack of knowledge.
Thats fine, but the worst thing is that you are not honest.
You act humble, but inside, is the spirit of pride.And you are good at avoiding questions; or answering a question with a question.
Do anything to hide,and why do you have to hide?
Is it because you are naked?wakeup.
same as in the other topicsGod knows who is his own
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,11:36) Quote THAT is what you were ASKING me: IF the saints were resurrected IN heaven!!
NO THEY ARE NOT.MK 14:25 “Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Mt 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Lk 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk 22:16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
Lk 22:17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you.
Lk 22:18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
Lk 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
Lk 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.Lk 22:25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors.
Lk 22:26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
Lk 22:27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
Lk 22:28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.
Lk 22:29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
Lk 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.Jn 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
Jn 15:2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
Jn 15:3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
Jn 15:4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me” heavenward “in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been” redeemed “from the earth.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride (144k)beautifully dressed for her husband.(Christ)
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”so the new Jerusalem (what his the bride ) comes down from heaven to be married all of us that have received an invitation and have accepted that invitation will be there on earth (new earth)
Terra,New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the millennium, I wasn't speaking about that, I was speaking about the FIRST DOMINION.
Because you have Amillennialist beliefs, you can not discern the difference between the TWO dominions (kingdoms) thus everything we say makes no sense to you.
This is the problem.
devo
Quote Terra, New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the millennium, I wasn't speaking about that, I was speaking about the FIRST DOMINION.
Because you have Amillennialist beliefs, you can not discern the difference between the TWO dominions (kingdoms) thus everything we say makes no sense to you.
This is the problem.
you would call any one anything because they prove to you that your views are wrong ,and not scriptural ,stop calling others by things or believes they do not even heard about, or never say that they believe the lies you putting forward ,
God knows who are his
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,16:35) devo Quote Terra, New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the millennium, I wasn't speaking about that, I was speaking about the FIRST DOMINION.
Because you have Amillennialist beliefs, you can not discern the difference between the TWO dominions (kingdoms) thus everything we say makes no sense to you.
This is the problem.
you would call any one anything because they prove to you that your views are wrong ,and not scriptural ,stop calling others by things or believes they do not even heard about, or never say that they believe the lies you putting forward ,
God knows who are his
Terra,YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU AGREED WITH AMILLENNIALISTS!!
YOU believe the kingdom has ALREADY been set up….
THAT'S PART OF AMILLENNIALISM DOCTRINE!!
So stop playing games & accusing me of lying.
And one more thing…
SINCE you believe the kingdom is already set up, then HOW on earth could you discern between the TWO COMING DOMINIONS (Kingdoms)!!
You CAN'T.So you see, I was speaking the truth…I was not lying.
And as I said, it is because of THAT, because of THAT belief, that everything we say is wrong to you…and everything you say is wrong to us.
How on earth did this rile you up?
It's not an insult, its the TRUTH of the matter.Thank you.
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,12:39) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,16:35) devo Quote Terra, New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the millennium, I wasn't speaking about that, I was speaking about the FIRST DOMINION.
Because you have Amillennialist beliefs, you can not discern the difference between the TWO dominions (kingdoms) thus everything we say makes no sense to you.
This is the problem.
you would call any one anything because they prove to you that your views are wrong ,and not scriptural ,stop calling others by things or believes they do not even heard about, or never say that they believe the lies you putting forward ,
God knows who are his
Terra,YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU AGREED WITH AMILLENNIALISTS!!
YOU believe the kingdom has ALREADY been set up….
THAT'S PART OF AMILLENNIALISM DOCTRINE!!
So stop playing games & accusing me of lying.
And one more thing…
SINCE you believe the kingdom is already set up, then HOW on earth could you discern between the TWO COMING DOMINIONS (Kingdoms)!!
You CAN'T.So you see, I was speaking the truth…I was not lying.
And as I said, it is because of THAT, because of THAT belief, that everything we say is wrong to you…and everything you say is wrong to us.
How on earth did this rile you up?
It's not an insult, its the TRUTH of the matter.Thank you.
devowere in my quotes do I say or believe in anything you say ,that I do ,
show me ,I have quoted all the scriptures that walks along my believes ,
so again show me if not I will stand for what I have called you
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,17:46) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,12:39) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,16:35) devo Quote Terra, New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the millennium, I wasn't speaking about that, I was speaking about the FIRST DOMINION.
Because you have Amillennialist beliefs, you can not discern the difference between the TWO dominions (kingdoms) thus everything we say makes no sense to you.
This is the problem.
you would call any one anything because they prove to you that your views are wrong ,and not scriptural ,stop calling others by things or believes they do not even heard about, or never say that they believe the lies you putting forward ,
God knows who are his
Terra,YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU AGREED WITH AMILLENNIALISTS!!
YOU believe the kingdom has ALREADY been set up….
THAT'S PART OF AMILLENNIALISM DOCTRINE!!
So stop playing games & accusing me of lying.
And one more thing…
SINCE you believe the kingdom is already set up, then HOW on earth could you discern between the TWO COMING DOMINIONS (Kingdoms)!!
You CAN'T.So you see, I was speaking the truth…I was not lying.
And as I said, it is because of THAT, because of THAT belief, that everything we say is wrong to you…and everything you say is wrong to us.
How on earth did this rile you up?
It's not an insult, its the TRUTH of the matter.Thank you.
devowere in my quotes do I say or believe in anything you say ,that I do ,
show me ,I have quoted all the scriptures that walks along my believes ,
so again show me if not I will stand for what I have called you
Terra,We have debated the kingdom subject remember?
Remember?
Pages and pages of it.You believe the kingdom is already set up, you made that crystal clear, and said that Christ was ruling in that kingdom already…Amillennialists believe that too.
I'm at a loss trying to understand why you are now saying you didn't say these things!!
If you've changed your mind then good on you, we aren't the types to rub it in, we'd never say ” told you so”, instead we'd congratulate you.
But if you haven't changed your mind, then you got a serious memory problem OR we just can't understand each other.Nevertheless, cheers.
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