- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi Wakeup:
This is what the scripture states:
Quote Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If someone has not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they are not yet members of the body of Christ, and without the Holy Spirit dwelling within, they are unable to understand the scriptures without someone who has the Holy Spirit dwelling within explain it to them.
As to the bride of Christ, we have the following scripture: The Apostle Paul speaking to the congregation of the church at Corinth.
Quote 2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. And so, if Jesus is our husband, our Lord, we are members of his body, and his bride at his coming for the church.
Quote Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
The church of God is his woman(Zion).
We the true worshippers are the children of the woman.
The woman is the true teachings of God and all what he stands for.Rev.12. Is Gods woman and that was BEFORE the apostles.
So how can we be the woman bride?
We are invited to the wedding;so how can we be the bride?
The bride does not need to be invited?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
I have given you my understanding of this, and here are some additional scriptures to support what I have stated:
Quote Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Quote Mat 25:1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Dec. 17 2012,11:41) Hi Wakeup: I have given you my understanding of this, and here are some additional scriptures to support what I have stated:
Quote Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Quote Mat 25:1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi MArty.Good scriptures.
It does make it LOOK as of the followers are the bride; I agree,and there fore the confusion.But looking into it deeper;You will see that we are the children of Zion; and we can also corrupt Zion with our works.Meaning that we can corrupt Gods doctrine,and that is what we are dong at this moment,with satans help.
Jesus is the head of HIS church,and HIS church is perfect.
His church(woman) will be established here on earth,and his TEACHINGS will be perfect and true.His spiritual church(woman) is his bride;spiritually.We; the true worshippers are the CHILDREN of that church, because we are born of that church.(CHILDREN).
The *MAN JESUS* also was born of that church(holy zion or Jerusalem) the city of God in heaven.
God has brought him down on this earth out of Holy Jerusalem in heaven.(rev12:1. this woman was with child.).This child is Jesus,THE SON BEGOTTEN OF GOD AND HIS WOMAN. NOW,JESUS AND HIS WOMAN HERE ON EARTH WILL BEGET HIS CHILDREN ALSO.
This woman are not his followers nor the anngels in heaven. This woman represents all the things that God stands for;his rules and laws. His Whole concept of truth and holiness, God fearing.
This woman is here on earth but she is not too popular in this world,only a few love to dwell in her.
Gods woman in heaven has produced the angels as his children.
Now Jesus and his woman will also produce children here on earth. The seed has been planted for 2000yrs now,and she has produced a few true children.
At his coming ;he will bring forth all his children,but only after they have been washed by fire.(the tribulation).
Then his woman will give birth to all her children.(first resurrection).New Jerusalem,the lambs wife; will come down from heaven,because the earth has been renewed; and God himself will be with us, (rev.21:3).,for Jesus will hand over his kingdom to his Father.Rev22:4. AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE.
Rev.21:7.He that overcome shall inherit all things,and I will be their God and he shall be my SON.(NOT WIFE).
Jesus and his wife (the woman Zion)has produced his children.His holy city (Zion)(TEACHINGS) has been build on 12 fondations.The 12 apostles TEACHINGS,and the 12 tribes of israel is, WHERE WE CAME IN THAT CITY.(THE GATES). israel is the first born.,and we came to God through israel.
wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 17 2012,11:41) Hi Wakeup: I have given you my understanding of this, and here are some additional scriptures to support what I have stated:
Quote Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Quote Mat 25:1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.You need to read the parable carefully.
Matt.25:1.
It says; THEN SHALL THE *KINGDOM OF HEAVEN*
BE LIKENENED UNTO 10 VIRGINS –.NOT THE *the followers* LIKENED UNTO 10 VIRGINS.
But the churches; some of them are dead. And they wont make it at the coming,for their lights has stopped burning.
Like the church of the Laodiceans.(rev3:14).What is the kingdom of God?
Jesus has sown the good seed,and his apostle did spread it abroad. It is growing, but the enemy(satan) has sown tares amongst the wheat.This is whats happening up to now.
Satan has corrupted the doctrine of God; he has watered it down. The kingdom is Gods doctrine;Gods system of things.His teachings.We are not the doctrine ,but the followers of that doctrine.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
Not everyone who profess to be Christians have been born again and as a consequence are part of the body of Christ.
Jesus said this:
Quote 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock
The body of Christ is likened to a marriage relationship between a husband and and a wife. We the body of Christ are his bride. He gave his life for his bride. The body of Christ includes those who were obeying the Law of Moses until the ministry of Jesus, and those who come to God through him since his ministry until he comes for the church. We are not perfect, but we are being perfected through the process called sanctification.
Quote Ephesians5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
Exactly; we are THE MEMBERS of the body,the church.
We are not the body, but members that can fall away.
Members can dropout. Members can split, and start a new body(church).Christs church (woman) is perfect;but the members are not.
2 John 1:1 The elder unto the *ELECT LADY* and her *CHILDREN*, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, *LADY*, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
wakeup.
Hi wakeup:
Quote Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Quote 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Quote 1 Co 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. Quote
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Quote 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Dec. 22 2012,11:19) Hi wakeup: Quote Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Quote 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Quote 1 Co 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. Quote
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Quote 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Example:
Lets say the city new york and its citizen.
The citizens a not new york the city.The city of God is Zion,and we are the citizens of Zion.
We are the dwellers of that city.Gods doctrine binds us.Babylon the great is the city of satan.
And the CITIZENS thereof are the people that follow the works of babylon,they are part of the spirit of babylon.
It is the spirit of babylon that binds them.Christians and God are bound by a catalyst;and that is his doctrine. A christian that have not that catalyst,is not bound to God. Gods woman is that catalyst.
We abide in the doctrine of Christ. It is his doctrine that binds us to him.
Jesus was bound to that catalyst,because he followed Gods doctrine to the full.
God and his woman(doctrine) produced a son,and his name is called Jesus. (rev.12:1.2).We are the CHILDREN OF GOD and therefore we can not be CALLED his WIFE. This has been misinterpreted,for centuries.
Therefore hard to accept the truth,which says otherwise.True christians are at this moment in the belly of Gods woman,and growing,and the time will come when she will give birth to her CHILDREN.
This will be at the coming.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You say:
Quote We are the CHILDREN OF GOD and therefore we can not be CALLED his WIFE. This has been misinterpreted,for centuries.
Therefore hard to accept the truth,which says otherwise.Jesus is the bridegoom. He is the Son of God, but He is not God, and so why do you say that we cannot be his wife. We are God's children by the Spirit of adoption, but yes,we are the bride of christ.
Adam and Eve were children of God. Eve was formed for him from one of his ribs in his side to be by his side as his helpmate.
Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him.
Quote Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth so something as to be disregarded to allow that understanding right
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:35) Marty Quote Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth so something as to be disregarded to allow that understanding right
Hi Pierre:The 144,000 are those who were not defiled by false doctrine, but they are not the only ones that will be saved:
Quote Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God
Quote Rev 7:1 ¶ And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Dec. 24 2012,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:35) Marty Quote Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth so something as to be disregarded to allow that understanding right
Hi Pierre:The 144,000 are those who were not defiled by false doctrine, but they are not the only ones that will be saved:
Quote Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God
Quote Rev 7:1 ¶ And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I do agree with all you say ,but the scriptures do not say that they are living in heaven ,and that all who believe are part of the bride and of the body, rightall who truly believe in Christ and produce the fruit of their faith will be saved but they do not go to heaven only 144k according to Rev;7 and 14
so you did not answer my question right
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:35) Marty Quote Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth so something as to be disregarded to allow that understanding right
Hi Terra,Marty answered well, so I will just add this…the 144 000 are to be the kings…the rest of the resurrected will be the priests.
We shouldn't forget that the firstfruits are always taken before the rest of the harvest (multitudes)…so both still get gathered.
The firstfruits were always the best of the crop meant to be set aside for God as an offering in the Old Testament…and this is why God symbolically calls them (144000) the firstfruits.
And why only 144 000 kings?
Well, not everybody can be kings.
Just like how God has “rankings” with his angels.
As you know, God is a God of order.Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 24 2012,16:47) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:35) Marty Quote Jesus gave his life for his bride whose bride we are. We are members of body and joint heirs with him how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth so something as to be disregarded to allow that understanding right
Hi Terra,Marty answered well, so I will just add this…the 144 000 are to be the kings…the rest of the resurrected will be the priests.
We shouldn't forget that the firstfruits are always taken before the rest of the harvest (multitudes)…so both still get gathered.
The firstfruits were always the best of the crop meant to be set aside for God as an offering in the Old Testament…and this is why God symbolically calls them (144000) the firstfruits.
And why only 144 000 kings?
Well, not everybody can be kings.
Just like how God has “rankings” with his angels.
As you know, God is a God of order.Cheers.
devoyou too do not answer the question ,or do you mean that all human that are resurrected are being resurrected in heaven
Terra.
1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for?
2.Who will be on earth?
God is reigning in heaven;and Jesus on earth for a 1000yrs.The kingdom in heaven has no 1000yr limit.
Gods kingdom started when he created his angels; and his kingdom has no limit.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:37) Terra. 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for?
2.Who will be on earth?
God is reigning in heaven;and Jesus on earth for a 1000yrs.The kingdom in heaven has no 1000yr limit.
Gods kingdom started when he created his angels; and his kingdom has no limit.wakeup.
Quote 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for? that was not my question ;
my questions ;how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth answer this questions only two ;
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,08:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:37) Terra. 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for?
2.Who will be on earth?
God is reigning in heaven;and Jesus on earth for a 1000yrs.The kingdom in heaven has no 1000yr limit.
Gods kingdom started when he created his angels; and his kingdom has no limit.wakeup.
Quote 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for? that was not my question ;
my questions ;how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth answer this questions only two ;
Terra.The 144000,will be the body of Christ.
And the rest also; BUT MUST GO THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION FIRST.They need to make a definite decision first.
Take the mark or refuse the mark.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,06:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,08:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:37) Terra. 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for?
2.Who will be on earth?
God is reigning in heaven;and Jesus on earth for a 1000yrs.The kingdom in heaven has no 1000yr limit.
Gods kingdom started when he created his angels; and his kingdom has no limit.wakeup.
Quote 1.If all the saints will be in heaven; Then what is the kingdom on earth for? that was not my question ;
my questions ;how could million of people claim that they are members of the body of Christ
and yet Rev7 and 14 says that only 144k are redeemed from the earth answer this questions only two ;
Terra.The 144000,will be the body of Christ.
And the rest also; BUT MUST GO THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION FIRST.They need to make a definite decision first.
Take the mark or refuse the mark.wakeup.
Quote And the rest also; BUT MUST GO THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION FIRST. scriptures ;please no opinion
Hi Pierre
The 144,000 are special. No doubt about that. They are sealed just before the 7 trumpets start. So this means that they are ALIVE during the end time. These ones have been feeding off the flesh of Christ, and God has used them at the end of this age for his purpose. To preach truth. And they past the test, because the last generation of mankind is the most evil of all generations that ever existed. (Babylon THE GREAT)
They are just the Firstfruits. The first ones resurrected. The others that take part in the first resurrection follow after them.Everyone that takes part in the first resurrection will inherit all that belongs to the Father. This is includes heaven. There are no boundaries. But Christ has a job to finish here on earth, and during the millenium, more will be coming to him. So he must rule from earth with his saints.
Rev 7:9 After this, I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne AND before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Where do you think this sea of glass is?
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
